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That relates to new cars though, they won't be suddenly banning used petrol/diesel cars from the roads. 

There will have to be very significant investment in the charging infrastructure before electric cars are a viable alternative for widespread use for every type of journey by everyone. 

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1 hour ago, Mexican Gerbil said:

Government set to unveil plans to stop production of petrol and diesel cars by 2040. Also the public will be forced to swap to electric cars. 

 

Who is going to be the first to convert their OSF to electric ? 

I am 'current'ly looking for a 60's milkfloat , does that count :lol:

mp :)

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1 hour ago, Vista said:

That relates to new cars though, they won't be suddenly banning used petrol/diesel cars from the roads. 

There will have to be very significant investment in the charging infrastructure before electric cars are a viable alternative for widespread use for every type of journey by everyone. 

I believe the report states "forcing" the pubic to change. 

 

Local bbc radio came up with a few issues. 1. How will the government tax this due to the loss in duty on fuel. 2. Where is all this extra electricity going to come from when we can't leave the TV on standby. 3. Who's going to recharge the car when the battery is flat half way home. 

Can see this happening. Don't remember when they stopped Steam power on the railways but can image a similar thing happening here. 

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It would seem to make more sense if you had a battery lease scheme - on the motorway you'd pull into a service station. A machine lifts out the battery and puts a charged one in and you go on your way.

I reckon before long AA vans will carry some kind of battery booster instead of a jerry can and they'll give you a 20 minute charge.

I can see loads of problems - what if you use on-street parking, how do you charge up?  What if you have 3 cars in the family, that's going to need a serious electricity feed, and quite where all the lithium is going to come from for millions of cars?

But I think there are lots of opportunities - supermarkets could have charging points and give you a free 30 minute charge if you spend £50 or whatever. Maybe cars could have solar panels in the roof to top up the charge through the day while they're parked.

 

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This is another idea from a knob behind a desk, who obviously works from home!!! Comes up with an idea without thinking about the consequences of his actions. The government can't even keep up with the road repairs never mind installing a complete 'electric ' infrastructure required to run a completely electric form of transport. 

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On ‎26‎/‎07‎/‎2017 at 22:19, colr6 said:

This is another idea from a knob behind a desk, who obviously works from home!!! Comes up with an idea without thinking about the consequences of his actions. The government can't even keep up with the road repairs never mind installing a complete 'electric ' infrastructure required to run a completely electric form of transport. 

Do the government run and own the fuel stations at the moment?

puddy ;)

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a lot assume by 2040-2050 the private car will still be king.

By 2040 the share economy will be substantially developed self drive technology will be pervasive and congestion within cities ever increasing.

I can see a move toward shared self drive autonomous vehicles and increase in public transport efficacy and a greater decentralisation of the workforce where possible.

Licence holding amongst twenty somethings is down across the western world, financial earnings are similarly down such that  a new generation may not choose private ownership.

Plus the reality is the current proposal is to ban the sale of diesel and petrol cars, not the use. A 2039 car, will still be on the road potentially in 2060 meaning a 20 year transition with a 23 year warning. look at the progress made in the last 43 years, Mk1 escort to tesla ludicrous mode.

Yes there are challenges with todays electric cars, no more difficult that the first petrol powered cars, at least today the infrastructure for mass personal transport exists paid for by 100 years of taxpayers, electric is just an evolution of that mode.

less drivers, less cars to drive due to shared cars working 100% of their day rather than just a commute at each end of the day means less traffic, less people needing to physically commute, will reduce the recharge load, plus if there is demand the economy will supply, well thats what we are told and taught? if there is enough demand for charging there will be charging stations, 40-50 years more development of an alternate to fossil fuel power might mean less need to charge as well. At the moment the electricity industry wastes a lot of generation at night as when we sleep we use a lot less electricity. They don't turn the turbines etc off so they just waste whats not used, we don't have good storage yet either. so there is significant capacity in the system yet for programmed overnight recharge.

As for current EV range, in a week most wouldn't actually do much more than 2-300 miles, a single charge in a tesla for example would accommodate that. plugging it in once a week in a private garage, or driveway overnight will take a lot less time than actually filling the tank in a traditional car.

And we need to be doing something, our economies have ridden the back of the personal car, but they are now causing so much damage we need to reconsider. 40,000 premature deaths, stunted growth, chronic health issues, etcetera etcetra, massive impost on the economy dragging us backwards.

Oh and in 2060 when the last fossil fuel car is crushed or put in a museum ill 90 years old, I wont recognise the place!

 

 JP

 

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self drive vehicles....i cannot wait for the first collision between them. who's at fault?not the occupants so the manufacturer. ford v GM......that'l be worth following. EV's all charging up at the same time on a grid that's already at capacity. extension leads all over the place,how's the leccy gonna be taxed... oh put vat on it up to 20%, that's a vote winner for any government. you'll get people using dodgy "cherry" electric. all these people working from home...doing what exactly. you could have guessed you live in london but in the real world life's a bit different. billions of pounds lost in fuel revenue...hows the government gonna pay for more underground in london without that at the expense of the rest of the country. why ban the sale of cars only when it is the bus,the truck,the train,the aeroplane and the ship which are the worst polluters. all those job losses in the car  and car related industries mainly working class manual jobs so hey that's ok. deaths and chronic health issues... from the same sources that forecast global cooling in the 70's and 80's,the irreversible destruction of the ozone layer which has now recovered, then global warming which has now become climate change so as to cover drought,floods,hurricanes,plagues of locusts and deaths of fist born children. i will also bet money on a mk1 escort still being driven in 2040 whilst a tesla will be long gone either broken, burnt or binned as the computer says no. shared autonomous vehicles....i don't really want to share a car with my wifeand kids never mind anyone else. the internal combustion engine rules as it is the most efficient and cost effective device out there and will remain so until the oil runs out and even then bio fuels will still be available . my escort does about 4mpg but seeing as it only does about 100 mile a season that makes it a lot less harmful than any EV. personally i think it will never happen but it will be interesting finding out

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I've already thought this through... original plan was to find a donor vehicle with a st motor or v8.. now I'm eyeing up a tesla model s an I'll 'simply' transfer the engine and gubbings from the Tesla into my mk 1 Cortina! i haven't got the details yet but I'm sure electric motors are tiny so I shouldn't even need to move the bulkhead or change the transmission tunnel hahaha wish me luck

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Government experts tell us lots of things, I want to know why we are building HS2 at a cost of gazillions when it's going to be obsolete went it's finished? My son already video conferences the States and Hong Kong, so face to face meetings will be an expensive waste of time, and freight doesn't need to travel that fast. It's all the round ones to appease the northern politicos, as the electric car deadline is to appease the sandal knitters. I'm sure it will eventually happen, but when I was a kid BBC Tomorrows World told me I'd go to work in hoverboots, I'm retired and I still haven't got my hoverboots, who can I sue, I'm traumatised.

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