Ray Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 5 hours ago, Vista said: Of course.........but his "creations" are a significant step beyond fitting a new tunnel and different engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeb43 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 his bentley mentley insane had its id revoked because it had been roof chopped hence losing its all important 5 points for an unaltered monocoque altering a tunnel or bulkhead on an escortis the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRodMatt Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 his bentley mentley insane had its id revoked because it had been roof chopped hence losing its all important 5 points for an unaltered monocoque altering a tunnel or bulkhead on an escortis the same thing It was more than chopped. Lol From memory it was cut into 42 pieces and had a Merc SLK? rear window grafted in. I love that car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colr6 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 So will we see Q plate funeral and limo cars then?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 8 hours ago, eeb43 said: have you never heard of andy saunders? the best known and most prolific custom car builder in the uk? No, have you heard of Nathanale Savour? Probably the finest builder of orange escorts in the country. Anyway, my point is there arent many instances. And on the dvla site it say from may 2018. Why does it say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeb43 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 11 minutes ago, Leo said: No, have you heard of Nathanale Savour? Probably the finest builder of orange escorts in the country. Anyway, my point is there arent many instances. And on the dvla site it say from may 2018. Why does it say that? thats the official date for shit hitting fans uk wide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeb43 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 13 minutes ago, colr6 said: So will we see Q plate funeral and limo cars then?? not unless they are registered pre conversion no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 10 hours ago, Rally Pack 2000 said: I too was wondering by what method they would use to determine originality over not with no real expertise with that particular vehicle? In most cases the guy that restored the thing will be more of an aficionado than the guy trying to look it up on a data base on the net. There are so many evolution changes in vehicles that aren't even reflected in their original workshop manuals. I have had ignorant Pink Slip (Our MOT equivalent) testers take me to task on totally original things. One told me I couldn't fit a Momo wheel because the centre horn buttons of after market wheels were too unreliable. I tried telling him the horn was on the stalk and he said that was an illegal modification. Another stuck a screwdriver into the side of the rear spring shackle bush and wiggled it around and said it was too worn. I told him it was triangle shaped in the centre and not a solid bush so of course it wobbles around. He said that was nonsense. I just tyre blacked it and added some Vaseline to make it look like a new bush had been fitted and he passed it later. And this sort of stuff was taking place when the car was under 20 years old. Seriously any inspection will be mainly a discussion with you about how nice it looks and reminiscing how great cars they were in their day. (My dad had one of those) If it looks sound and close to original you can be assured it will be considered an historic vehicle. Changing transmission tunnels and 5 speed boxes aren't going to even raise an eyebrow. If you rock up with a fibreglass MK1 Escort body on a tubular chassis with drag wheels well your not going to pass it off as a genuine one. But if the modifications are sensible for safely and or where original parts cant be procured I think you will be just fine. Only the speciality car clubs can really do such stringent oversight hence why they say alot of it will be voluntary. That sounds like common sense, I do hope your right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colr6 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, eeb43 said: not unless they are registered pre conversion no They must come under the same senario, chopped, added welded total change of monocoque ? Just the same as a pre reg escort and none of them will have been done pre 88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, eeb43 said: thats the official date for shit hitting fans uk wide Let's agree to disagree, happy Xmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colr6 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, eeb43 said: thats the official date for shit hitting fans uk wide That's good I'm off out that day!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeb43 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 17 minutes ago, colr6 said: They must come under the same senario, chopped, added welded total change of monocoque ? Just the same as a pre reg escort and none of them will have been done pre 88 no they are built as hearses or limos before they are registered so are those vehicles from first reg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 23 minutes ago, eeb43 said: no they are built as hearses or limos before they are registered so are those vehicles from first reg That seams unfair, being as they haven't been approved or sva,d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeb43 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 nor are tractors and lot of the fastraks will do 70 plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 13 minutes ago, Leo said: That seams unfair, being as they haven't been approved or sva,d. Unless you are in the business - how do you know they haven't or have been tested for 'type approval'? I would guess being the the business of building speciality vehicles it is unlikely that there isn't an arrangement in place as they are sold as regular vehicles, new and current year registered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 31 minutes ago, katana said: Unless you are in the business - how do you know they haven't or have been tested for 'type approval'? I would guess being the the business of building speciality vehicles it is unlikely that there isn't an arrangement in place as they are sold as regular vehicles, new and current year registered. Type approval is a massive task and expense reserved for high volume car manufacturers, and the odd few small ones such as Westfield, Caterham etc. I can't be sure, but I doubt very much they have done that. And I don't see any on q plates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeb43 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 the sebring cars were all iva/sva tested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 24 minutes ago, eeb43 said: the sebring cars were all iva/sva tested That's different to type approval. They have new reg,s because everything is new. The firm that did my car are doing a mark 1 escort and a Stratos replica as a new reg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeb43 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 i do know a little bit about the old sva testing! lol i was the first person to get a pass on a hotrod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 ok, I'm gonna throw the cat amongst the pigeons, with a question I have not seen here, its a tad long winded so bear with me there must be some protection built in, because pre 60 cars are mot exempt at the moment, just really asking how basically, under the MOT exemption, what is stopping people insuring and taxing a log book, where the shell no longer exists, but by taxing and insuring it, gives it credibility to having a new/replacement shell or complete donor car down the line, as cars that are regularly taxed, don't seem to be questioned I'm restoring my escort that hasn't been on a uk road since the 80s, so the way I see it, from end of may, I can tax it, because I already insure it, and it wonnt need an mot, but its a pile of parts maybe I'm just having a thick patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colr6 Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 Any car after 1960 requires an mot, so you wouldn't be able to tax your escort as it would require an mot and if it's in bits you can't do that. Unless you know a man down the pub ! But yes it is feasible to tax and insure a log book as you say but pre 1960. Think I'm on the same lines as your thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 17 minutes ago, colr6 said: Any car after 1960 requires an mot, so you wouldn't be able to tax your escort as it would require an mot and if it's in bits you can't do that. Unless you know a man down the pub ! But yes it is feasible to tax and insure a log book as you say but pre 1960. Think I'm on the same lines as your thinking. i meant from end of May Colin, as from then on, anything over 40, will be in same category as pre 60 are now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrytom161 Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 56 minutes ago, Ray said: i meant from end of May Colin, as from then on, anything over 40, will be in same category as pre 60 are now So in theory you could tax a pile of cut up panels that used to represent a nice car or reshell it and make it into a ringer with a log book !!!! And no one would none the wiser . Lol or would they ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 I believe the DVLA are getting a bit wise to this 'potential fraud'. Long term 'no use' V5's that suddenly appear are being questioned with proof of car existance being requested - especially on transfers or change of details. Its not watertight but a little step in the right direction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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