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  1. 1. Escorts in Motorsport?

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To coin a phrase from Mick Jones, who happened to build most of those rally cars your so much in love with...............

 

"rallying is for cross country tinkers"

 

he built the cars and he couldnt stand it ....

 

so much time, love and hard graft to build a car, then Vatanan goes and throws it at a bloody tree... 80 ton of tree ,been there 300 odd years and the silly rally drivers think they can knock em over with 1 ton of Escort... mad .. sheer madness.

 

plus theres the rain.. no concrete paddock, no grandstands, no bars, resturants, toilets, (ok Lydden Hill only has the toilets, but then they use that for rallycross) but you see what i'm saying, rallying is just so uncivilised

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At the end of the day I enjoy both rallying and circuit/track racing. And when it comes to tussles on the track and fighting for position, these boys are just as exciting:

 

well done Mk2Jo, proper battles there :D

 

I've still got the the Rossi/Gibernau fight at the beginning of the year saved (2nd round), still gets me on the edge of my seat every time :D

 

Sorry to continue with the off topic but Moto GP does it for me too. I never watch cars racing on the telly cos its sooo boring compared to bikes.

 

When it comes to cars I really do love everything, racing at lydden is good but thats not really rallying is it. I've watched a few local rallys but it gets boring waiting for the next car to arrive only to find out he didn't get it proper sideways. Circuit racing is o.k to watch when its close.

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. Circuit racing is o.k to watch when its close.

 

 

Well get yourself down to Brands on 19th of this month.... you'll se a V8 Focus v 500bhp WRC Escort v 2.2T Audi TT v Minis v TVRs v Mk3/4 Escorts

 

And a certain Yellow 1600 mk1 mex

 

Ok heres the full list........

 

 

 

A16 Mark Hosken

Audi

TT Quattro

AMD

1800t

 

A32 Tony Ryan

Ford

Sierra

Cosworth

2000t

 

A44 Rod Birley

Ford

Escort WRC

Cosworth

2000t

 

A 61 Nick Williamson

Ford

Escort

Cosworth

2000t

 

A 67 Ray Barrow

Ford

Escort

Ford

2000

 

A95 Peter Thurston

Honda

Prelude

Cosworth

2000

 

A99 John Cross

Ford

Focus

V8

5700

 

A

Thomas Carey Vauxhall Chevette

 

A Gregg Rose

Jaguar

 

V8

 

 

 

 

 

B6 Steve Weatherley

Ford

Sierra Sapphire

Cosworth

2000

 

B12 Graham Brindley

Ford

Sierra

Cosworth

2000t

 

B 17 Peter Wilks

Ford

Sapphire

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

C 3 Richard Ibrahim

Alfa Romeo

 

 

 

 

C 9 Kerr Robertson

Peugeot

306

Longman

1960

 

C 10 Peter Wilkinson

Peugeot

309

 

c14 Phil Usher

Ford

Focus

 

1998

 

C 62 Paul Martin-Jones

Renault

Megane

Renault

2000

 

C 63 Greg Pye

Alfa Romeo

Alfa Sud Sprint

CSR Alfa Romeo

1800

 

C 64 Andy Wickens

Ford

Escort

 

 

 

C 88 Ray Adams

VW

Golf

VW

2000

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

D 1 Jason Watkins

Ford

Fiesta

XR2

1600

 

D 24 Tristan Barden

Rover

Mini

 

1300

 

D 26 Bill Richards

Rover

Mini Clubman

 

1460

 

D 31 Eric Falce

Ford

Escort Mark 1

Ford

1558

 

D 34 Tim Falce

Ford

Fiesta XR2

Ford

1600

 

D 38 Andy Pipe

Ford

Escort Mexico

Ford

1600

 

D 51 Les Beer

Ford

Fiesta XR2

Ford

1600

 

D 65 Roy Ellis

Ford

Escort

 

 

 

D76 Lee McNair

Austin

Mini

Rover

1380

 

D 87 Graham Richardson

Vauxhall

Nova GTE

Vauxhall

 

 

D 90 Richards Brent

Peugeot

205 Gti

Peugeot

1580

 

D 98 Andy Mitchell

Peugeot

205 Gti

Peugeot

1580

 

 

 

E 83 Tim Dodwell

VW

Scirocco GL1

VW

1588

 

 

There is also loads of other races that day including the Britcar championship.... and that has some awesome machinary in it

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At the end of the day I enjoy both rallying and circuit/track racing. And when it comes to tussles on the track and fighting for position, these boys are just as exciting:

 

well done Mk2Jo, proper battles there :D

 

I've still got the the Rossi/Gibernau fight at the beginning of the year saved (2nd round), still gets me on the edge of my seat every time :D

 

Sorry to continue with the off topic but Moto GP does it for me too. I never watch cars racing on the telly cos its sooo boring compared to bikes.

 

When it comes to cars I really do love everything, racing at lydden is good but thats not really rallying is it. I've watched a few local rallys but it gets boring waiting for the next car to arrive only to find out he didn't get it proper sideways. Circuit racing is o.k to watch when its close.

 

Steve

 

You must mean Rallycross?? These photos were taken at Lydden Rallycross in April this year:

 

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Suppose it's a bit of both disciplines.

 

Jo

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At the end of the day I enjoy both rallying and circuit/track racing. And when it comes to tussles on the track and fighting for position, these boys are just as exciting:

 

well done Mk2Jo, proper battles there :D

 

I've still got the the Rossi/Gibernau fight at the beginning of the year saved (2nd round), still gets me on the edge of my seat every time :D

 

Sorry to continue with the off topic but Moto GP does it for me too. I never watch cars racing on the telly cos its sooo boring compared to bikes.

 

When it comes to cars I really do love everything, racing at lydden is good but thats not really rallying is it. I've watched a few local rallys but it gets boring waiting for the next car to arrive only to find out he didn't get it proper sideways. Circuit racing is o.k to watch when its close.

 

Steve

 

You must mean Rallycross?? These photos were taken at Lydden Rallycross in April this year:

 

action2.jpg

 

patdoran.jpg

 

 

Suppose it's a bit of both disciplines.

 

Jo

 

I was there too :wink:

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They had one at the end of August and usually the next one at Lydden is March/April again. They used to race at Brands years ago and then they bought the race back to Brands 2 years ago (fantastic stuff) and last year as well (i think) but for some reason it was not there this year. It would've been November.

 

I'll remind you Bash when it's on again at Lydden :thumbsup:

 

Jo

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so much time, love and hard graft to build a car, then Vatanan goes and throws it at a bloody tree...

 

Yeah, but in the process, he demonstrated some of the finest car control, and some of the most committed, on-the-limit driving you will ever see. As far as i'm concerned, he could break as many cars as he liked! Brand new shells were only a couple hundred quid back then :P

 

80 ton of tree ,been there 300 odd years and the silly rally drivers think they can knock em over with 1 ton of Escort... mad .. sheer madness.

 

Can't argue with that. Seen it myself - the bark still hasn't grown back fully 10years on. But non of us would be in this game - circuit racers and rally drivers - if we weren't just a little bit deranged? Rallying just takes it to another level.

 

plus theres the rain.. no concrete paddock, no grandstands, no bars, resturants, toilets, (ok Lydden Hill only has the toilets, but then they use that for rallycross) but you see what i'm saying, rallying is just so uncivilised

 

You big wuss. :roll::D

 

Just off the top of my head, i can think of 2 former circuit racers (Patrick Watts, Ray Belm) who have recently started rallying in the forests and have both said that the buzz you get is miles better than going round in circles.

 

Having said all that, i'm dying to give circuit racing a go. If only you could take a co-driver and use pacenotes.

 

I must admit, i'm not much of a driver. I used to race Karts - and in practice heats i would always just wait on the line for everyone else to bugger off - then i could get down to some serious driving - me, the kart, the track. Never liked the idea of having other karts around you :(

 

I vote Rallying, by the way.

 

cheers

Tom

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no bars, resturants, toilets,

 

take it u havnt been 2 belgium, middle of a field during a rally ur find few bar, big ass bbq, pub garage type seating and u got the rally cars 2 entertain u

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no bars, resturants, toilets,

 

take it u havnt been 2 belgium, middle of a field during a rally ur find few bar, big ass bbq, pub garage type seating and u got the rally cars 2 entertain u

 

Very true. 2 years ago we retired about 50 yards from this pub, so spent the rest of the day on their balcony, drinking ice cold stella, signing autographs (LOL - seriously - the locals worship rally people) and eating rare horse steaks, all whilst sitting about 6 feet away from some of Europe's finest rally cars/drivers in action... Don't get much better than that. :lol:

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Very true. 2 years ago we retired about 50 yards from this pub, so spent the rest of the day on their balcony, drinking ice cold stella, signing autographs (LOL - seriously - the locals worship rally people) and eating rare horse steaks, all whilst sitting about 6 feet away from some of Europe's finest rally cars/drivers in action... Don't get much better than that.

 

BLISS :D:D

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This is really hard! - They're two totally different diciplines.

I can see what people are saying about circuit racing and having to overtake - but you can always see what your target is. In rallying you don't know how far the next driver is so every single driver pushes to the absolute limit.

 

I've only been to watch circuit racing twice - once for touring cars - I've never been so bored in all my life - wait 5 mins for the pack to come round then you don't see another car for another 5 mins - I fell asleep :oops:. And I've also been to watch Moto GP - totally different experience - fantastic atmosphere / racing - so much fun had.

 

But rallying - I make a point of going at least once a year for my 'fix' - probably one of the only sports where the crowd can make a difference to the outcome - so much adrenaline just being a spectator - it must be out of this world to drive.

 

If I had too choose (which I do) then rally it is - I think rally is what made Ford what we have all come to know and love. Aohhh

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Also forgot to say if you want to see rally cars overtaking - go and watch the stages at Rockingham next weekend - see Tims other post.

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Circuit...

ESCORT_6.jpg

 

Some rally cars are good, and that's the most you see...

 

But i remember again the Sechaud brothers which race two mk1 escort with cosworth head, in France, and even an Alpine turbo don't resist...

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Rallying for me, but it'd have to be tarmac rallying! Dont have even half the interest in loose surface events, not exactly sure why.... I blame the legend that is Connie Smith(RIP) in Black Beauty and bags full of opposite lock!!!!!

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Rallying!It's just amazing!The atmosphere is fookin unreal!It's so easy to get up at 6.30 to drive for 3 hours when you know you're going to have so much craic!Nothing like watching Wesley Patterson rev the shite out of his Duratec as he drifts around a hairpin.Love walking down service,breakfast roll in hand,with random people starting chats with you.

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I see both sides of the argument, but for those who think it's easy driving on a circuit, yes if you drive like a rally driver at 95% throwing in the heroic power oversteer, but that would put you about 4 seconds off the pace in any single make series. Rally drivers and race drivers are different beasts, in both it's vital to finish but in racing its more important to finish first and to do that you have to drive 110%. while not getting taken off by one of the other idiots whose even more desperate to win than you. Looking back at a bit of history all of the race drivers who have competed in rallys are blindingly quik untill they have a big off and don't finish, all of the rally drivers who race finish the race but never win. But for me you cannot beat the full on MKII race cars and the zakspeeds that look like they should have ASBOS. But I appreciate their more sophisticated rallying cousins.

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Sorry one more thing, Race circuits are surrounded by walls and most don't have many gravel traps, I think if I had the option of running head on into the wall at Rockingham or any other wall or armco in the uk at 130mph or sliding into a grass verge or clipping a tree sideways at 80+mph I think I'd go for wrapping the car round the tree option. But hey if were looking for something shit to waste money on drag racing is the only way forward :twisted: IMHO

Lights Red,

Green

Power 14 seconds later off the power and on the brakes. Yeehaa.

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