Rally Pack 2000 Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 After a box full of old 32/36 DGAV I have been tinkering with to keep an original Weber on the car I decided through another thread to just bite the bullet and get a new one. I would have done this previously as the there were previous doubles on the quality of the Spanish made ones. Myself included as I tried a manual choke one that would never idle properly a number of years ago. Having just spoken to the Australian importer of them he did admit to some quality issues with the early transfer to Spain but now that's a thing of the past. So I thought I would open a discussion how people have found them? Im specifically curious about 32/36 replacements naturally but more than happy for this to be a broader discussion about all types and Spanish Webers in general. So what have you guys tried and what do you think? I noticed some design differences between the original ones that came on the Escort and the Spanish ones for sale now and will post some images. (such as the fuel return being in a slightly different spot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 absolute junk mate, steer clear, fitted 3 of the 32/36 for the 1300GT, all 3 suffered the same problems, poor idling, stuttering acceleration and lack of power, in all 3 cases the answer was to revert back to the original carb after re building with new webcon parts, this cured the problems, making no doubt that the new ones are no good, after contacting the supplier, he admitted that the new carbs weren't tested on escorts, they were tested n Toyotas, and then jetted slightly different for the ford, but no tests carried out, as the mods were not done by weber, and they would need setting upon dyno to the car, he promised me the money back on all 3, but refused on 2 because the original ford washers had marked the bodies they look nice, but that's as far as the niceties go 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pack 2000 Posted March 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, Ray said: absolute junk mate, steer clear, fitted 3 of the 32/36 for the 1300GT, all 3 suffered the same problems, poor idling, stuttering acceleration and lack of power, in all 3 cases the answer was to revert back to the original carb after re building with new webcon parts, this cured the problems, making no doubt that the new ones are no good, after contacting the supplier, he admitted that the new carbs weren't tested on escorts, they were tested n Toyotas, and then jetted slightly different for the ford, but no tests carried out, as the mods were not done by weber, and they would need setting upon dyno to the car, he promised me the money back on all 3, but refused on 2 because the original ford washers had marked the bodies they look nice, but that's as far as the niceties go Thanks Ray. The poor idling and stuttering acceleration are exactly what I experienced with the DGV version I tried a number of years back. I thought getting rid of the auto choke would be better at the time but I got a host of other problems instead. I put it either down to quality or the fact that it has no anti stall device that was somehow affecting idle and the stutter. I was assured that this was more an emissions required device rather then needed for smooth running but I could never get it to run smooth and that was with all standard the jetting out of an original that had just come off the car so there was absolutely no difference to the jetting Spanish one clearly without anti-stall device An Original with anti-stall device Clearly the place where the anti-stall device goes is still in the casting but I don't think they can be made operational as the place for the vacuum pipe is completely filled in and I would guess the fuel galleries for the pump itself haven't been opened up either. The Standard fuel return is also a bit bizarre on the originals but that doesn't bother me too much compared to the Spanish ones as you can see the original has a feul return that sticks straight out whereas the Spanish ones are angled down. The extra bizarre part is that you can see there is provision for the return line outlet could have been angled down if they had wanted it too. I never understood what that was about! The other brass outlet that you see there in the images is probably one that you guys haven't seen before. That was for the Australian emission devices to be attached so that can be removed and blocked now. By the sounds Ray of Im going to have to find someone competent to rebuild this thing with a host of new parts like you did. I'm annoyed the one on the car with the sticking secondary problem wasn't picked up when I had it done professionally. The one that was swapped off the car in the pictures above its secondary is still smooth as silk and you can barely feel it when the secondary engages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pack 2000 Posted March 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 Spot the Spaniard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 the other thing with the Spanish ones, I couldn't get the car to idle at all with a CO of under 9, which is miles too high 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pack 2000 Posted March 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ray said: the other thing with the Spanish ones, I couldn't get the car to idle at all with a CO of under 9, which is miles too high Sounds like you went through the wars with these Spanish Webers. Very similar to my one experience with them. When you accelerated hard did it baulk with a stutter before it would suddenly take off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rally Pack 2000 said: Sounds like you went through the wars with these Spanish Webers. Very similar to my one experience with them. When you accelerated hard did it baulk with a stutter before it would suddenly take off? yes, my cars don't really move too much, but we put one on Nicks car and even just trying to accelerate slightly on a motorway it was doing it as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pack 2000 Posted March 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 23 hours ago, Ray said: yes, my cars don't really move too much, but we put one on Nicks car and even just trying to accelerate slightly on a motorway it was doing it as well Experimenting on Nick's car with all these knock off parts? Smart man! (@dt36) Dale I was wondering if you pop a crap carby on your RS2000 for me? What a nice chap! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT36 Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 39 minutes ago, Rally Pack 2000 said: (@dt36) Dale I was wondering if you pop a crap carby on your RS2000 for me? What a nice chap! I Say Sir, I bloody Say. Tickled me what. One would simply love to. 👌 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pack 2000 Posted March 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 No one going to take a stab at my Weber quiz above then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexican Gerbil Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rally Pack 2000 said: No one going to take a stab at my Weber quiz above then? B ...... as the butterflies are jammed open? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colr6 Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 It’ll be B as stated in your post no anti stall and the angle of intake pipe, Chris the reason the flaps are open it’s the only manual choke one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pack 2000 Posted March 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mexican Gerbil said: B ...... as the butterflies are jammed open? 2 minutes ago, colr6 said: It’ll be B as stated in your post no anti stall and the angle of intake pipe, Chris the reason the flaps are open it’s the only manual choke one. Smarties! I gave too many clues in the text, I thought everyone skipped past those boring bits LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 I bought a new 32 36 from fast road cars via eBay. I think it was a Spanish one as there is no anti stall like the picture. It came jetted for a two litre and sorted out the poor idle and resistant pick up.i also fitted the dgas type flap operation so both chokes open the same and the kit came with a different jet to fit, can't quite remember but the top had to come off. I also binned the choke and choke flaps along time ago. It is said a 32 36 weber is good for up to 140 bhp and ouflowsa single dcoe or dhla. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pack 2000 Posted March 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 Has anyone popped a set of Spanish sidedrafts on their car? There is definitely issues with the 32/36s but what about more common 40s, 45s and 48s DCOE's? Maybe they have been more successful for people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pack 2000 Posted July 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 Re-activating this topic again as I fear I will have to get one of the Spanish 32/36DGAVs at least in the interim till I can find a new Italian one. I thought I had struck pay-dirt the other day fining a new one but it turned out was just a DGV and I really want a DGAV. Anyone had a good experience with a Spanish DGAV. Can you add a anti stall valve or do you find it completely unnecessary? Thanks On 23/03/2019 at 12:02, preacherman said: I bought a new 32 36 from fast road cars via eBay. I think it was a Spanish one as there is no anti stall like the picture. It came jetted for a two litre and sorted out the poor idle and resistant pick up.i also fitted the dgas type flap operation so both chokes open the same and the kit came with a different jet to fit, can't quite remember but the top had to come off. I also binned the choke and choke flaps along time ago. It is said a 32 36 weber is good for up to 140 bhp and ouflowsa single dcoe or dhla. I saw one seller on Ebay that advertises theirs directly for 2lt Pinto engines. Did you run it with their jetting straight out of the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 The weber I bought from fast road cars was jetted for a standard 2.0 and worked straight out of the box.it is a genuine weber not a Chinese copy. The new weber made a huge difference. I have since modified it and it works even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pack 2000 Posted July 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, preacherman said: The weber I bought from fast road cars was jetted for a standard 2.0 and worked straight out of the box.it is a genuine weber not a Chinese copy. The new weber made a huge difference. I have since modified it and it works even better. Ooooo how did you modify it to make it better? I will have to check what they deem standard jetting out of the box. Ours are jetted differently to yours and I think your RS2000s are jetted differently again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 I removed all the choke flaps and linkage. Knife edged the butterflies Bought a kit that changes carb operation to a dgas.it has an extra hole in venturi so both chokes open and squirt petrol immediately I changed the linkage to get rid of the bar and remove any slop. K and n filter Cleaned up the inlet manifold with a dremel to remove casting marks. Pump pedal 5 times starts and idles nicely. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pack 2000 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 @preacherman Does your Spanish Weber have a plugged up hole where the blue circle is below or does it need to be drilled out? Does it have a nozzle where the red circle is as well? Thanks heaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 There is a hole next to the vac advance The other hole would need drilling It's a great carb and when new made a huge difference 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pack 2000 Posted July 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 The jetting between our RS2000s and the European RS2000s is quite different. Since I have abolished all the emission devices and am running a European RS exhaust manifold would the European Jet Specs then be the set to choose without having to muck around too much? So the European RS2000 32/36s dont have a low speed idle pump at all then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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