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Australian Mk2 Escorts use a glue mounted rear view mirror that sticks to the windscreen. If you don't use a proper glue as many don't one bump and its in your lap. The real problem with them though is the backing de-laminates and you get dark mirrored patches around the edges. I haven't seen a pristine one for years. So I was thinking of converting to a European rear view mirror. I was wondering if anyone would mind posting images of how it mounts around the interior light. Is there a dip version offered as well? Many thanks.

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I'm away from my car for a week at the moment to see how mine is mounted. 

However, with regards to DIP rear view mirror  that's a big job. Fitted one to our old BMW a while back and it took me a lot of time stripping out the console and fitting in the necessary wiring. If I remember rightly, it needed to have a 12v feed and also a reverse signal to drop the dimmer when put in reverse. 

Spent a fair bit of time plumbing that one in. 

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@Rally Pack 2000 Do you mean a mechanical dip ie. lever on back of mirror - simple uncomplicated and works or the electrical version alluded to above which sounds more 'space age' than 'escort age' I'll try and grab a picture of the mount on the mirror later - don't know what it mounts to in the car and i'm buggered if i'm taking out a fitted headlining to find out LOL! I've enough problems finding the sun visor mounting locations / holes using telepathy. 

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6 hours ago, katana said:

@Rally Pack 2000 Do you mean a mechanical dip ie. lever on back of mirror - simple uncomplicated and works or the electrical version alluded to above which sounds more 'space age' than 'escort age' I'll try and grab a picture of the mount on the mirror later - don't know what it mounts to in the car and i'm buggered if i'm taking out a fitted headlining to find out LOL! I've enough problems finding the sun visor mounting locations / holes using telepathy. 

Oh I hadn't thought of that sorry. No I meant just a period mechanical lever type. Something period. Australian rear view mirrors have this but I wasn't sure if European MK2s has something like that back in the day. I was after original Ford. I'm just wondering if Ford Australia put their interior lights in a slightly different position that would prevent me from fitting an original European mirror. When you go through my books they show the interior if your lucky but never the rear view mirror up close and how it mounts.

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Gluing to the centre of the glass just isn't secure enough and every Australian mirror I have seen for sale in years has de-laminated around the edges

My Mk1 uses a conventional mirror straight from the UK but it has no dip facility. If I have to give up this feature to fit a European mirror in the Mk2 then so be it but if Ford ever put one in the Mk2s then I would  go for it if I can get one.

18 hours ago, dt36 said:

I'm away from my car for a week at the moment to see how mine is mounted. 

However, with regards to DIP rear view mirror  that's a big job. Fitted one to our old BMW a while back and it took me a lot of time stripping out the console and fitting in the necessary wiring. If I remember rightly, it needed to have a 12v feed and also a reverse signal to drop the dimmer when put in reverse. 

Spent a fair bit of time plumbing that one in. 

Thanks I would love to see how yours is mounted. I don't want to be plumbing anything (Just whatever is original) in I just wondered if Ford UK ever put a rear view mirror with a mechanical dip lever in it. If not I would do without but wouldn't mind one since its always been in the car since new. Its more how the original mirror was mounted and if I can even fit one and if there were dip and non dip versions offered in RS or regular Mk2s.

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Hi,

 

The mirror on UK Escorts MK2 is held in place with 2 or 3 M6 Countersunk Pozidrive screws, just behind the interior light.

On the roof inner double skin (where the interior lamp sits recessed) the are 2 or 3 rivnuts fitted in the stiffener, this is what the mirror is screwed into, now the only issue I can see, is are the rivnuts actually in place on a Escort shell for the Australian market !!??, I would like to say YES, because they don't have to be used and would be covered up by the headlining if not in use.

 

Is there a legal reason why the Australian Escorts use a glued mirror !!??,  when we had ours mechanically fixed !! was to it pass TYPE APPROVAL or something.

Anyway, Katana or me or even both will send pictures, but our mirrors do the same with delamination around the outer edge, and a new mirror can be £180.00+ if you can find one, but used nice ones turn up all the time, and there is a choice of dipping and non dipping, but standard was dipping (hand operated).

 

Al.

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9 minutes ago, caprimk1v4 said:

Hi,

 

The mirror on UK Escorts MK2 is held in place with 2 or 3 M6 Countersunk Pozidrive screws, just behind the interior light.

On the roof inner double skin (where the interior lamp sits recessed) the are 2 or 3 rivnuts fitted in the stiffener, this is what the mirror is screwed into, now the only issue I can see, is are the rivnuts actually in place on a Escort shell for the Australian market !!??, I would like to say YES, because they don't have to be used and would be covered up by the headlining if not in use.

 

Is there a legal reason why the Australian Escorts use a glued mirror !!??,  when we had ours mechanically fixed !! was to it pass TYPE APPROVAL or something.

Anyway, Katana or me or even both will send pictures, but our mirrors do the same with delamination around the outer edge, and a new mirror can be £180.00+ if you can find one, but used nice ones turn up all the time, and there is a choice of dipping and non dipping, but standard was dipping (hand operated).

 

Al.

Hi Al, I would like to think these rivnuts you mentioned are still there as the interior lights are the same as the UK ones but I suspect they arent there unfortunately so its all about what is there and can I somehow attach it.

There was no type approval as such it was purely down to cost and adding a degree of local made content to get tax concessions. The glued mirror system was used through out the Ford range including Cortinas and Falcons. The ones put in Escorts however are narrower than the Falcon ones so you cant even use them as a substitute as they don't fit well in between the visors when they are folded down.

For some reason I have it in my mind that the interior light on our Escorts, although the same unit direct from the UK, may be mounted lower and closer to the windscreen as there is no rear view mirror mounted there.

Any pictures anyone could provide would be wonderful thanks

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Hi again,

 

It is 3 M6 screws, could not remember if 2 or 3.

Second to last picture is my MK2 Ghia, the others are of my MK2 Mexico, both mirrors are dipping type (by hand), the only difference is that the mirror cover on the Ghia is white, and on the Mexico it is black, but the mirror is the same on both cars, I can get pic's of a mirror off the car so you can see the back of it if any good to you. !!??.

 

Regards.

 

Al.

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As requested / prompted by my colleague - some pictures!

The hardest bit to track down is the plastic moulding to cover the mount - I had to buy a whole mirror just for the bit of plastic. It was beige and a bit uv damaged but the paint seems to be holding ok. As can be seen - yes we do have dipping RV mirrors - all the mod cons!

 

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15 minutes ago, caprimk1v4 said:

Hi again,

 

It is 3 M6 screws, could not remember if 2 or 3.

Second to last picture is my MK2 Ghia, the others are of my MK2 Mexico, both mirrors are dipping type (by hand), the only difference is that the mirror cover on the Ghia is white, and on the Mexico it is black, but the mirror is the same on both cars, I can get pic's of a mirror off the car so you can see the back of it if any good to you. !!??.

 

Regards.

 

Al.

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Ahhhhhh I see what's happening now!!! These are the things you don't get to see in books that only a forum can hep you with. The three screw mounting point for the rear view mirror is actually there on Australian cars its just re-purposed to hold a central visor clamp. So the issue isn't of the rear view mirror would fit its that I would have to get different visors as well and if there are holes for them to mount. All Australian cars had off white head linings. Are all visors in the UK black? Ours are off white on one side that blend in with the roof lining when folded up but black on the other side when you pull them down to shade yourself from the sun. Its an interesting comparison between the two. Even after 30 years there is still something new to learn.

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1 minute ago, katana said:

As requested / prompted by my colleague - some pictures!

The hardest bit to track down is the plastic moulding to cover the mount - I had to buy a whole mirror just for the bit of plastic. It was beige and a bit uv damaged but the paint seems to be holding ok. As can be seen - yes we do have dipping RV mirrors - all the mod cons!

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Thanks so much for that. Definitely much better and secure mounting than ours. A beige mounting over would suit well. It comes down to if I can change the visors as well it seems

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Hi,

 

Our sun visors are only attached with short self tapping screws, so there will be no rivnuts to look for, just align up and drill a hole for a self tapper.

 

RS models have black roof liner, Ghia's etc-etc white or poss off white or putty colour, and same with the visors, getting you a set over would be costly on the postage, but I could look out for a set for you.

 

Regards.

 

Al.

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Hi Ian,

 

Those covers where being reproduced last year in white & black, and they looked good, but what you cannot tell from a photo is, is the picture actually a picture of the repro cover or a very good original one just for the picture purpose !!??.

 

That said it was last year and they may have had a small batch made and all sold.

 

Double bugger.

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What a naff arrangement - VisorPosition.jpg

It does really look .......... afterthought meets 'Bodgit and Scarper' LOL! Interestingly the Aussie headlining / visors does appear whiter than ours. UK colour is definitely yellowy white or as described 'Putty'

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2 minutes ago, caprimk1v4 said:

Hi,

 

Our sun visors are only attached with short self tapping screws, so there will be no rivnuts to look for, just align up and drill a hole for a self tapper.

 

RS models have black roof liner, Ghia's etc-etc white or poss off white or putty colour, and same with the visors, getting you a set over would be costly on the postage, but I could look out for a set for you.

 

Regards.

 

Al.

Great information thanks. The putty colour from a Ghia then would be the best one to look for then. I will try get the mirror first just to make sure it definitely fits before trying to get visors. Im glad to see you can get them with a dip feature too. Your postage is actually much better than ours. The door handles I just sent back cost me three times more to send back to the UK than it did to have them sent to me.

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3 minutes ago, katana said:

What a naff arrangement - VisorPosition.jpg

It does really look .......... afterthought meets 'Bodgit and Scarper' LOL! Interestingly the Aussie headlining / visors does appear whiter than ours. UK colour is definitely yellowy white or as described 'Putty'

The extra light I added to take the photo here at night doesn't help but the headlining is brand new and only replaced this year which also makes it look whiter. If you compare the visor you can see its aged a bit more. I have heard ours described as putty colour. I was even offered one a shade whiter when I was making my vinyl selection so Im glad I chose the darker one.

12 minutes ago, caprimk1v4 said:

Hi,

 

Our sun visors are only attached with short self tapping screws, so there will be no rivnuts to look for, just align up and drill a hole for a self tapper.

 

RS models have black roof liner, Ghia's etc-etc white or poss off white or putty colour, and same with the visors, getting you a set over would be costly on the postage, but I could look out for a set for you.

 

Regards.

 

Al.

I cant tell if there are any self tapping screw holes underneath at any point but it should be easy enough to fit some if they mount as simply as that.

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Hi,

If you look at UK Ebay number 233225558290, I know they are LHD visors, but you should be able to see the small plastic blocks that the visor hinges on, are the outside ends of your Australian visors the same !!??, if yes, you may only need the blocks, and could cut down your "EXTENDED" version on yours and push them into the blocks and drill for a self tapper, should be real easy to do.

 

Regards.

 

Al.

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28 minutes ago, caprimk1v4 said:

Hi,

If you look at UK Ebay number 233225558290, I know they are LHD visors, but you should be able to see the small plastic blocks that the visor hinges on, are the outside ends of your Australian visors the same !!??, if yes, you may only need the blocks, and could cut down your "EXTENDED" version on yours and push them into the blocks and drill for a self tapper, should be real easy to do.

 

Regards.

 

Al.

That's interesting The outside ends of ours do look alot different. The reason for the visor centre clip mount where your mirrors mount is because our visors unclip from the centre and you can swing them around to shield the sun over the door window as well depending on the suns position. Its not just one way swing flap visor like those pictured. I suspect this is the reason for the different designs with the mirrors and all. A more variable sun shield visor was considered an important safety feature from glare from all sides was probably more for local conditions. It can get harsh with the sun to your side at times.

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That's a thing, depends on if you can do without the swivel visor bit for the sake of the mirror ??.

Toss of a coin for one or the other.

Just wondering if the mirror would sandwich between the two items !!??.

 

Regards.

 

Al.

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7 minutes ago, caprimk1v4 said:

That's a thing, depends on if you can do without the swivel visor bit for the sake of the mirror ??.

Toss of a coin for one or the other.

Just wondering if the mirror would sandwich between the two items !!??.

 

Regards.

 

Al.

You know I hadnt really thought of it as that important until we just started discussing it and realised I would have to give up the swivel feature as well.

That is a really really good idea. Looking at the images posted here the Australian visa clip may very well fit over the mirror mount as the bolt holes are placed the same. The only trouble I can see would be at the base of the mirror stem does bulge a bit but with a bit of filing of the plastic visor mount may solve that. Only way is to get myself a mirror an experiment!

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I have an old mirror here the mirror has delamination issues, that is why I took it off and fitted a slightly better one, you can have it if you want.!!??.

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If you had a spare visor middle bit the same as what you already have you might be able to manipulate it with hot air to "Bulge it out", but it might split, so you would have to try on an old crappy one first.

 

Al.

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5 minutes ago, caprimk1v4 said:

I have an old mirror here the mirror has delamination issues, that is why I took it off and fitted a slightly better one, you can have it if you want.!!??.

Thanks so much for the offer, I will definitely think about it. I need to have a look at the whole thing in daylight and decide. Its funny it was a de-lamination issue that started me down this path in first place LOL

So UK Mk2s don't have any form of side swing visors?

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Well I am going to say NO to that about UK having swing able visors, my 2 MK2's certainly don't, and they are 1976 & 1979, and I have had a few back in the 80's, and they did not so I am sure as can be they don't, and my MK1 Capri's don't either.

 

Would be great if you could combine the 2 things, even if you had to somehow make a new centre clip thing to hold the visors, I am sure you could conjure up some thing to do the two jobs.

 

Let me know about the mirror, its your if you want it.

 

Cheers.

 

Al.

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19 minutes ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

So UK Mk2s don't have any form of side swing visors?

We don't have a real sun so don't need them - the 100w lightbulb we have, is never in your side view for more than a minute anyway - we don't have straight roads either!

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I’ve just had a look at a few mirrors I’ve got. Looking at the pics Al put up and you all suffer with the same problem of the mirror de- laminating. The MGB mirrors are of the dipping type and are held on the arm by a very small countersunk screw. Looking at it an escort mirror arm could be cut and drilled to take a MG mirror of which I am sure you can still purchase new. The three mirrors I have come from different car manufacturers but are made by the same company. So unless someone wants to lay upside down in your car looking at part numbers on a mirror to see if it’s oe needs a kick in the nuts whilst there....lol Just a thought.

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