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Hi, the gearbox in my 65 mk1 is making strange noises. I have a type 2 gearbox from a mk2 escort. I know the bolt pattern is the same and i can sort the spigot bearing and the clutch cable. 

Which clutch kit and starter motor do i need? And will my 1200 prop shaft fit?

Any help, very much appreciated.

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Propshaft won't fit (different spline shapes) and will probably be the wrong length unless the gearbox you want to use is exactly the same length as the old one. 

Starter motor will be on the other side to the cortina gearbox. 

For what it's worth I think that the Type 2 gearbox is a step back - there's a reason the mk1 escort mexico, Twincam and RS1600 used the 3 rail 2000e gearboxes (apart from the ratios) - the synchros are stronger in a 3 rail gearbox.  Your standard 3 rail gearbox isn't much different to a 2000e gearbox in terms of internals. 

Why not just buy a cheap standard cortina 3 rail gearbox and fit that? It would be easier providing it's a good 'box. 

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Thanks Al, I can get a type 3 box from a mk4 cortina, would my prop shaft fit that?

The reason I'm doing this is for a steering rack conversion. I have a new mk1 fiesta rack, it isn't a hard conversion to do. But the starter motor is in my way.

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Propshaft will fit a Type 3 gearbox from either early type (ie mk2 cortina) or the later type from mk3 cortina onwards. Later Type 3 gearboxes have a longer input shaft (approx 3/4" IIRC, due to being coupled to Pintos) which means the bellhousings for them are deeper - if you use one with a mk1 or mk2 bellhousing it's possible the input shaft will stick out beyond the bellhousing face.  If you use a cable clutch bellhousing with a late Type 3 gearbox (ie long input shaft) it will push your gearbox further back - you may need to slot your gearbox to chassis mount. Possibly moving the gearbox back may affect propshaft in terms of prop not being able to be engaged into the back of the gearbox. 

Never heard of a mk1 fiesta rack working in a mk1 cortina as a steering rack conversion - even with mk1 and mk2 escort racks people have had issues with steering geometry problems. Steering rack conversions are known to push the engine and gearbox a couple of inches further back affecting everything behind them. If the engine goes back 2 inches, so do the engine mounts, gearbox mounts and propshaft entry. 

Type 3 cable clutch bellhousings will fit both types of Type 3 gearbox plus the 3 rail gearboxes, although you'll need to check how far the input shaft protrudes and if it engages with the crank spigot bearing correctly. 

 

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Thanks Al, loads of info there. Regarding the fiesta rack, they are bolted to the bulkhead of the fiesta, which isn't an option obviously on the cortina, but fits nicely in the space where the steering rods are. As the rack steers from the rear of the struts (like the cortina) it should work ok. I'll have to fab some brackets off the cross member to mount the rack and chop and change some steering column components from a mk4 cortina to get the linkage right. The tie rods are about 25mm too long, so ill have to cut and re thread them. Also the fiesta track rod ends are a perfect fit for the cortina struts.but the starter is still in my way.

Regarding the gear box, i just rang my mate and he says he has 2000e box, but no bell housing. I really want the starter on the other side. But which bell housing????

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Fiesta steering rack sounds a good way to go then if you're not moving the engine crossmember and the TCA's pivot in the same place as the balls at the end of the tie rods on the rack!

Really the only option you have for a bellhousing is a capri bellhousing but it may need skimming slightly on the gearbox side mounting face IF it ends up too deep. 

If I've got a Capri bellhousing I'll get you a photo of it to show you what they look like. 

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Nice one Al, thanks very much. My pal has a bell housing from a mk4 cortina, starter on passenger side. I can compare it to your picture. I saw a post on another website, turbosport, i think and someone on there had machined a bell housing for a 2000e box too. Looking forward to your picture.

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No problem.

I know the thread you're talking about on Turbosport - the username of the guy who did it was Wildo105e or something? That's the only cable clutch bellhousing to fit 3 rail and Type 3 gearboxes. Looks similar to a Type 9 one but of course, the 4 bolts to bolt it to the gearbox are different to a Type 9. I think the part number is 3036 7505

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That's the same as the one I'm thinking of. Part number could be 3038e 7505 or 3036e 7505. As said there's only one that fits the gearbox and has a cable clutch. If you search for Capri bellhousing in Google or Ebay you're likely to find some results.

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I think they were designed for pinto but they have the same bolt-spacing as a crossflow and it's possible some crossflow capris had them. I can't confirm though as I've never really looked into Capri stuff.

Not sure on what Mk it is.  Note that Type 9 bellhousings look similar but while it will bolt to a crossflow it won't bolt to a 3 rail or Type 3 gearbox. 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-2000-CAPRI-BELL-HOUSING/184013520501?hash=item2ad80f7e75:g:WrAAAOSw1ABduEhE

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Cortina-Escort-Capri-Sierra-gearbox-bell-housing-3038E/193195834751?hash=item2cfb5e7d7f:g:8-4AAOSwruxbGEFc

And then there's a LHD one (which I know you don't want, but interesting all the same!)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-capri-mk2-1600cc-LHD-BELLHOUSING/362444228881?fits=Model%3ACapri&hash=item54635c0911:g:Pq0AAOSwKjha4FI9

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Thanks Al, i had a look on Burton's website and they list  the type 3 box were fitted  to quite a few fords: 

Ford Cortina Mk2

Ford Cortina Mk3 1.3 / 1.6 / 1.6GT

Ford Cortina Mk4 / Mk5 1.3, 1.6 (not GT)

Ford Lotus Cortina 69-

Ford Capri Mk1 / Mk2 / Mk3 1.6 OHC

Ford Capri Mk1 -8/72 1.6 OHV

Ford Capri Mk1 2.0 V4

Ford Sierra 1.6

i can get one of those no problem, as for getting it machined, would it be similar to getting a head skimmed?

 

another thing, i bought a clutch from Fleetway Clutches Ltd, Surrey , for £50, delivered. I should have it by Wednesday. More than half the price of anywhere else. I will choose a release bearing when i have the bell housing/fork sorted out. I also got a cortina mk4 steering column, uj's and link for the rack conversion. 

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If you get the early Type 3 the input shaft is shorter so you might need to skim the bellhousing. If you use the later Type 3 the input shaft is longer so you could be OK. However, in both applications you need to check that the release bearing carrier nose (ie the bit that protrudes from the gearbox, but not the input shaft) doesn't hit the fingers of the clutch. Some combinations will mean that WILL happen. You also need to check that the input shaft doesn't go too deep into the crankshaft (ie bottoming) which may stop the gearbox being mated to the engine. 

Skimming should be the same as getting a head skimmed, but you don't want to make it too thin. We're only talking taking a few millimetres off it. You will only be skimming the bellhousing, not the gearbox itself. 

Basically you need to do a lot of checking. 

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