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Hi all 

got asked a question the other week that I didn’t know the answer to at the time. But it’s got me thinking about sumps and my question is are the Alloy sumps that are fitted to the MK1 RS2000 the same as the standard Pinto sump pans ( tin can type I call them ) or is there a difference ( obviously the metal is different I do realise that ) but is there any other differences. Reason for asking is if your building a new pinto engine and haven’t got a sump pan could you fit a standard one and fit in a Mk1 escort especially if you wanted to save money by not buying an Alloy Sump Pan 

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No its car specific. So the alloy sumps were developed to permit a Pinto engine to fit into an Escort not just for its fancy heat dissipating properties. For that reason a Pinto engine out of Cortina wont fit directly because of its shape and location of the oil pickup bowl. You can get Tin Sumps for Pintos in Escorts from Australia but the postage would counter any savings to getting an alloy one in Europe.

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The alloy ones have a shorter pan to clear the rack and a wing on one side to maintain capacity. You can chop a tin one about to replicate it easy enough.

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On 11/01/2020 at 14:25, Delbert said:

Hi all 

got asked a question the other week that I didn’t know the answer to at the time. But it’s got me thinking about sumps and my question is are the Alloy sumps that are fitted to the MK1 RS2000 the same as the standard Pinto sump pans ( tin can type I call them ) or is there a difference ( obviously the metal is different I do realise that ) but is there any other differences. Reason for asking is if your building a new pinto engine and haven’t got a sump pan could you fit a standard one and fit in a Mk1 escort especially if you wanted to save money by not buying an Alloy Sump Pan 

In the UK, the only Pinto's fitted in Escorts were RS variants mk1 RS2000, mk2 RS2000 and mk2 RS Mexico - all came with alloy sumps. As RP2000 says their Pintos had tin sumps - also likely fitted on SA Escorts also. It would be a lot of faffing round, cutting and welding a Cortina / Capri one, just to get a 'cheap' tin sump!

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32 minutes ago, katana said:

In the UK, the only Pinto's fitted in Escorts were RS variants mk1 RS2000, mk2 RS2000 and mk2 RS Mexico - all came with alloy sumps. As RP2000 says their Pintos had tin sumps - also likely fitted on SA Escorts also. It would be a lot of faffing round, cutting and welding a Cortina / Capri one, just to get a 'cheap' tin sump!

Like the bellhousings there are now replicas of these alloy sumps so that brought some normalcy to prices even for the genuine Ford ones.

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Remember if you use the alloy sump, you will need to use the alloy bellhousing too rather than an iron one.

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Why do you need to use an alloy bell housing as I’m sure I’ve seen alloy sumps fitted to iron bell housings 

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It might be the other way round, if using an alloy bellhousing you need the alloy sump. It's something to do with where the clutch cable slides through I think?

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2 hours ago, HotRodMatt said:

It might be the other way round, if using an alloy bellhousing you need the alloy sump. It's something to do with where the clutch cable slides through I think?

No its the sump that has the cable mount for the clutch - bell housings alloy or iron have a clearance hole. I used an alloy bell on a T9 box mated to a Zetec and needed to fab up a cable mount across a hole - bit of a PITA but that's what happens when you change things. Also the RS sump forms the dirt / splash plate for a RS bell so don't need a separate one!

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5 hours ago, Delbert said:

Why do you need to use an alloy bell housing as I’m sure I’ve seen alloy sumps fitted to iron bell housings 

Yes this is true.

5 hours ago, HotRodMatt said:

It might be the other way round, if using an alloy bellhousing you need the alloy sump. It's something to do with where the clutch cable slides through I think?

Yes that is also correct. When using the RS type alloy bellhousing with the dual starter holes this removes the clutch cable mounting hole and as such the alloy sump adds that mounting point for the cable.

2 hours ago, katana said:

No its the sump that has the cable mount for the clutch - bell housings alloy or iron have a clearance hole. I used an alloy bell on a T9 box mated to a Zetec and needed to fab up a cable mount across a hole - bit of a PITA but that's what happens when you change things. Also the RS sump forms the dirt / splash plate for a RS bell so don't need a separate one!

Sorry no. Iron bell housings (Like that on Cortinas and Australian Escorts) have the cable mounting hole on the bell housing itself. Their tin sumps have no cable mounting point. Because the starter is on left side only the bell housing (Not both like the RS Alloy Bell Housings) it can use that area for a cable mounting point. The mounting hole on the rim of the bell hosing is enlarged so it may appear at a glance that its simply a clearance hole but there is a plastic sleeve (seen as yellow on below photo) that slides into it that allows the cable to be directly mounted an iron bell hosing.

All this only applies to the dual starter RS type sump. If you specifically want an alloy bell housing for reasons like vibration resistance for example but have your own tin sump or Australian tin sump you can order alloy replicas of the Cortina sump through Burtons with the single left side starter mounting and clutch cable mounting

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I was being a snob and only referring to RS models - Iron cast bells are boat anchors or used by the 'poor people' in the southern hemisphere! LOL

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