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Hi guys, I've purchased a ST170 engine for my install. I've managed to get the entire car as the deal was for me to remove engine, loom and ECU then take him back the rest.

I haven't found a ST170 install guide here yet but, been researching and it appears everything I need is on the retro Ford website. 

Is this the best place to get all the bits? 

Does anyone have any advice and any tips they have learned as to what I should/shouldn't be doing? 

Thanks! 

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Look up Zetec installs - same basic engine, so that info applies. RF are a one stop shop but not particularly cheap. If you are handy with tools and metal fabrication you can save some money. Whilst the std ECU can be used, these modern ecu's control a lot of the car's systems which won't be used on a classic so could through up errors / faults - so lots of installations will use standalone ECU solutions or change to carbs but you'll lose the benefits of the cam controls.

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Cheers Jonny. I want the car to go as good as she looks so needed a change. Think im pulling the current engine this week then getting started. 

Anyone got a number for a good debt consultant?

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Nice Motor Mate 😎

As had been said, Retro Ford is generally agreed to be good stuff, but very expensive. There are other options.

You could take a look at this thread by one of the guys on here:-

https://www.oldskoolford.co.uk/ipb/index.php?/topic/88933-mk1-escort-st170-conversion-to-be-or-not-to-be/#comments

It's probably worth looking at the RWD Zetec group on Retards Club, and asking around. I'm putting an ST170 into a mk2 Escort Estate and I've found the guys on here are really helpful and knowledgeable. Browse through all of the Zetec related stuff on here and you'll find a lot of useful stuff.

Best of luck and let's see some photos as you go.......

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Hi DpG, nice looking mk1 and I really like the defender!

The link to the St170 build posted earlier is mine, the cars all done now, setup and running well so if there is anything that you think I could help you with then just shout out. As others have said RetroFord are really good. They are great to deal with and everything just fits first time. But they charge a lot for this!

Things like the cast sump kit they sell, to me is a no-brainer. It looks great, doesn't leak a drip, comes with everything you need (sealer, bolts, new pickup pipe, dipstick to match, new dipstick tube, etc etc) and costs ~£400 which I think is acceptable. However they also charge ~£100 for a set of HT leads .. which is not so good!

Kind Regards

Joe 

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Joe, I have read through your detailed installation and found it amazing! Thanks to you, I will be ordering an affordable Stainless Steel manifold as the RF one is far too expensive. I will definitely go RF sump pan, bell housing, water rail and engine mounts. I will then see what else I need after that. 

Might be pestering you for more information soon! 

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Thats great, Im pleased the thread is being found to be usefull. Completely agree on your choice of RF parts - the engine mounts are quite cheap to be fair and you know the engine will be in the right place! The water rail is perfect too, really nice bit of kit. I used the coolant hoses from RF aswell as they will fit perfectly with the water rail but they are far too expensive in my opinion. I just couldn't find an alternative that didn't involve piecing together multiple sections of hose with joiners - although theres no real harm in doing that Ive always found in anything the less joints the better!

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Joe, the RF long ignition leads are on at £40.94. These are 550mm long. Are these the ones you are talking about? They have other, extra long, high performance leads retailing at £53 which go up to 900mm? 

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Ive just checked and I you're entirely correct! I can only assume they must have had a price revision, it really was crazy money before! The extra long leads they sell let you route them under the sparkplug cover to the back of the head and then round the side of the head under the inlet - might be quite nice to hide them completely like that but it seems like a long run of lead and more opportunity for damage through rubbing etc. The other zetec leads (550mm) let you drop down the middle of the inlet which is what I did.

The price is far better than it was :) 

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Great to see you're getting help DpG :) Joe has done a marvellous job with his which is why I recommended his thread. I've got a limited budget so I have been sourcing some cheaper items. Just trial fitted my sump, which came from Premier Motorsports, and I'm really happy with the fit. It's welded steel, but really well engineered and came baffled with a custom pickup pipe, with it's own bolts and a dipstick tube and all for less than 200 quid including delivery. All I've had to source was a tube of sealant. I'll be hopefully sealing it and fixing it later this week.

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Great  stuff Mash. I will have a look at my budget and see where I am. I definitely want to save in some areas but the sump im willing to splash out on. Hope you are documenting your installation as well for future reference. 

Just call me Gareth 👍

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5 hours ago, DpG Venom said:

Great  stuff Mash. I will have a look at my budget and see where I am. I definitely want to save in some areas but the sump im willing to splash out on. Hope you are documenting your installation as well for future reference. 

Just call me Gareth 👍

Cheers Gareth. I'm not brilliant at the documentation side, probably because I'm an old gimmer 😁, but I'll do my best. I should warn you that while there's a lot of info on the Retards Club group, be wary as there are a lot of numpties and nay sayers on there as well. there are some interesting threads on the turbosport forum as well.

Edited to add: I'm Mike, but most people call me Mash because of my surname :) and I'm happy with either

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14 minutes ago, DpG Venom said:

So this happened today 🤯

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Works progressing then :)

Wish I had a building like that to work in Gareth, mine's dark and freezing cold at the moment, so I'm struggling to stay out there for more than  couple of hours.

That Pinto looks mint! You'll be able to raise a few quid on that Mate 👍

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Its my mates garage Mike. He is a Land Rover specialist but wants to work on my mk 1. Says it's a fun change from range rover sports! We are going tomorrow to collect the Focus then will rolling road it to see what we are working with. 

Hopefully pull the engine out shortly after. Its getting real! 

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So today I got the engine on the stand and have started cleaning it up. I had planned using the original induction manifold and fittings but I now realise it is going to foul the fitting if the engine against the bulk head. Can anyone give me an idea of a solution? I wasn't planning going throttle bodies or carbs immediately due to cost.

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HI Gareth,

Here is the thread on TurboSport where the guy kept the original inlet etc - http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=164271

Though he only did this to be eligible to race in a rally series he was in. For the work and cost involved in making the OE system work, if you are considering changing to throttle bodies/carbs in the future it would be better to do it now, but this is purely my opinion :)

Kind Regards

Joe

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