Hello mk2mike and xjamesx thanks for the welcome, you will have to wait until my daughter or grandson comes to visit so that they can guide me through this copy, paste, attach technology. That,s why I am stuck back in the sixties, seventies and run an old FORD, I mean have you seen some of these modern cars like jags and mercs they don,t seem to have gear selectors or ignition/locks for example went to the pub last week in my mates new beemer and said why have you put key into a hole in the dash!!!