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[stevepeanut]

had the new engine running once, got a timing gun now, got some advice on here last night, but the bloody thing wont start anymore.

 

It turns, and as it nearly fires, theres a loud crunch/bang and the engine rocks as it nearly comes to life.

 

Pulled out all the plugs, 1 and 4 had a tiny bit of dark oil on them. 2 and 3 were absolutely thick with engine oil. I have 2 possible ideas

 

1 The rocker cover gasket I got with the new engine, turned out to be the wide one, I knew it wasnt sealed properly,and some oil was coming out the side, but put it on and got the engine running for 30 secs. Got the new thinner correct gasket last night and fitted that. So oil has either came out of the rocker cover and down the sides of no 2 and 3 plugs.

 

or

 

2 something is seriously wrong in the engine, but if there was something wrong, wouldnt the oil be on all 4 plugs?

 

any advice or ideas gladly welcomed

 

[Guest cortinamad-gonetoo]

i doubt its because of the rocker gasket unless your plugs were loose (otherwise how would the oil get from the rocker gasket to the tip of he plugs)

 

valve stem oil seals or rings

 

but it might not be anything too serious if you get it running and give it a good run out, if engines been stood for ages

 

cant really comment too much without seeing it

[stevepeanut]

i doubt its because of the rocker gasket unless your plugs were loose (otherwise how would the oil get from the rocker gasket to the tip of he plugs)

 

valve stem oil seals or rings

 

but it might not be anything too serious if you get it running and give it a good run out, if engines been stood for ages

 

cant really comment too much without seeing it

 

just been talking about that with our lass, I was saying I dont think the oil could get past the threads, she says it would easy get past them

[Guest cortinamad-gonetoo]

no it wouldnt unless they were loose

 

plugs need to be tight (well should actually be torqued down) otherwise youll loose compresion

[stevepeanut]

never torqued them, just gave them a good tighten

[Guest cortinamad-gonetoo]

me too i always proberlly over tighten mine as i do with everything

 

i was forever stripping threads on my pushbike wheel nuts

 

and my first week at work i cracked a sump on a hgv wagon by over tightening it

 

i thought they were joking about it for about a year lol

[w p e]

thats a common pinto cam cover gasket leaking fault the oil sits around the plugs and has you undo them it seeps down the threads i see this on a daily basis its nothing to worry about check yer points aint closed up od the plastic striker on the points has'nt melted and closed the gap. if its has you have the wrong coil that cause's the points striker to melt . another common fault

[caprinerd]

looks more like engine internals have a prob tbh could be valve seals

[stevepeanut]

cheers Wayne, if I ever bump into you I'll buy ya a pint for all the advice and help

[Guest cortinamad-gonetoo]

thats a common pinto cam cover gasket leaking fault the oil sits around the plugs and has you undo them it seeps down the threads i see this on a daily basis its nothing to worry about check yer points aint closed up od the plastic striker on the points has'nt melted and closed the gap. if its has you have the wrong coil that cause's the points striker to melt . another common fault

 

he wouldnt get oil like that

 

its too much on the tip of the plug i agree with caprinerd

 

though maybe a good run could blow the cobwebs out

[w p e]

so i do this all day every day and your telling me i dont no what im talking about then ?. best they listen to you then A

[GT_lenny]

i'm with mr wpe but if you want to put your mind at ease do a compression test

[moredoorAsh]

Looking at the pic and the ammount of oil around the plug socket i would say its coming from the gasket............ unless of course you dip your plug sockets in oil before using them

[stevepeanut]

this makes sense to me, I think it was a 15mm gasket I used, it sort of nearly fit, but I used it as a temorary measure, I know for sure it leaked cos it ran onto the manifold and smoked when it ran.

 

99% sure then, that some of the oil where it leaked in the centre has gone and sat on plugs 2 and 3, then when I removed them, its ran down the plugs as they were lifted from the holes. The engine ran ok at the weekend and the plugs were not covered in oil then.

 

I'll get some new plugs at the weekend, turn over the engine without the plugs in and get all the plug holes cleaned. The new 9mm gasket fits perfect so theres no more leaks, fingers crossed it'll run again then I can set the timing with the gun I borrowed and then go for a play

[Guest cortinamad-gonetoo]

clean the plugs and put them back in then see if it runs

 

then youll know the answer

[Guest cortinamad-gonetoo]

so i do this all day every day and your telling me i dont no what im talking about then ?. best they listen to you then A

 

im only trying to help the lad

 

im entitled to my King opinion and my answer

 

to get oil like that the plugs must have been loose or hes taken 20 mins a plug to remove to allow oil on

 

plus steve was ther a puddle of oil around the plugs where they sit before you removed them

 

if yes then youve answered your own question, that way it saves clever turds like wpe trying to take the piss out of my answers

[stevepeanut]

just noticed on the engine, I can see oil on the top of the outer ring where the plug goes in, so it must have came in from above

 

better man up and admit to our lass she was right

[Guest cortinamad-gonetoo]

just noticed on the engine, I can see oil on the top of the outer ring where the plug goes in, so it must have came in from above

 

better man up and admit to our lass she was right

 

as my above post youve answered your own question then

 

clean them up its only oil it will clean off and should be bobs your uncle if engines set up ok

 

oh and wpe i did say i couldnt answer properly without seeing it

[stevepeanut]

I'll clean it up and try tomorrow night, if it wont fire I'll buy some new plugs on friday when I get paid

[w p e]

so i do this all day every day and your telling me i dont no what im talking about then ?. best they listen to you then A

 

im only trying to help the lad

 

im entitled to my King opinion and my answer

 

to get oil like that the plugs must have been loose or hes taken 20 mins a plug to remove to allow oil on

 

plus steve was ther a puddle of oil around the plugs where they sit before you removed them

 

if yes then youve answered your own question, that way it saves clever turds like wpe trying to take the piss out of my answers

clever yes turd no.ask all the users and admin on here

[Mrs O/H/C]

Deffo a clever man and a very helpful one too

[w p e]

just noticed on the engine, I can see oil on the top of the outer ring where the plug goes in, so it must have came in from above

 

better man up and admit to our lass she was right

[Guest cortinamad-gonetoo]

Deffo a clever man and a very helpful one too

 

im not saying hes not helpfull

 

just dont think he needed to have the attitude

[Mrs O/H/C]

Deffo a clever man and a very helpful one too

 

im not saying hes not helpfull

 

just dont think he needed to have the attitude

 

The way i read it was that he WPE stated that he does this all day for a living and just might know what he is talking about ...you then retaliated with a sarcastic answer

[stevepeanut]

fingers crossed I'll be sorted this weekend, summers coming and I want the car sorted. Cheers for everyones advice not just on this thread, but all my other ones with this engine swap.