hmmmm.....opinions on this blatantcy?

[zetecmk2]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-ESCORT-MK2-1600-SPORT-V5-NOT-MEXICO-RS2000-/261148170275?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3ccda4d823

 

[lotusless]

I reported it yesterday morning !! they don't bother to remove them

[Top Ghia]

This has stirred things up over on Rallye sport forum. I cant believe the attitude of some people on there.

[Vista]

This has stirred things up over on Rallye sport forum. I cant believe the attitude of some people on there.

 

What is the attitude over there?

 

Some forums approach this from the "it helps get a car back on the road when someone has a shell but no ID" side of things. Whilst I accept that there are a few legitimate instances and reasons for someone needing an ID (restoring a car they can't establish a chassis and/or reg no for for instance) I can't accept that this need should take precedence over what V5s are frequently sought out for, i.e. hiding the identity of stolen cars. It is for this reason that we do not permit the selling of vehicle IDs on Old Skool Ford.

[zetecmk2]

This has stirred things up over on Rallye sport forum. I cant believe the attitude of some people on there.

 

What is the attitude over there?

 

Some forums approach this from the "it helps get a car back on the road when someone has a shell but no ID" side of things. Whilst I accept that there are a few legitimate instances and reasons for someone needing an ID (restoring a car they can't establish a chassis and/or reg no for for instance) I can't accept that this need should take precedence over what V5s are frequently sought out for, i.e. hiding the identity of stolen cars. It is for this reason that we do not permit the selling of vehicle IDs on Old Skool Ford.

i'm sure a v5 stating "1968 ford 2 door coupe" would be an exception!!

certain mustangs were imported this way......hmmmm

[Top Ghia]

This has stirred things up over on Rallye sport forum. I cant believe the attitude of some people on there.

 

What is the attitude over there?

 

Some forums approach this from the "it helps get a car back on the road when someone has a shell but no ID" side of things. Whilst I accept that there are a few legitimate instances and reasons for someone needing an ID (restoring a car they can't establish a chassis and/or reg no for for instance) I can't accept that this need should take precedence over what V5s are frequently sought out for, i.e. hiding the identity of stolen cars. It is for this reason that we do not permit the selling of vehicle IDs on Old Skool Ford.

 

You never see IDs for 1.1 pops for sale that's the point, its always RS cars or sports. But then theres no value ringing a 1.1 pop is there?

[Vista]

You never see IDs for 1.1 pops for sale that's the point, its always RS cars or sports. But then theres no value ringing a 1.1 pop is there?

 

There's always value in an ID if you want it to hide a stolen car. The value in RS IDs is obviously to create a ringer from a base model car and add ££££s to the screen price. There's also value in pre 73 IDs for tax exemption purposes.

[willsy]

bothered?

How many AVO Escorts have had a reshell? What is the difference?

[Vista]

I'd be bothered if I had paid the premium that a genuine AVO escort in a type 49 shell attracts...............only to find out I'd bought a 1100L with a hacked 6 pot dash, some aftermarket bits welded on to make it look right and a moody V5. I think anyone would be hacked off wouldn't they?

[Escort Mk1 4 Door]

You never see IDs for 1.1 pops for sale that's the point, its always RS cars or sports. But then theres no value ringing a 1.1 pop is there?

 

There's always value in an ID if you want it to hide a stolen car. The value in RS IDs is obviously to create a ringer from a base model car and add ££££s to the screen price. There's also value in pre 73 IDs for tax exemption purposes.

 

 

defo right there i bought mine and tucked under the boot carpet was a tax exempted, 1.3 tags plates and v5c was very shocked, this has now been locked away.

 

i will not be fitted to the car, as i believe that the id on the car with history is correct. but goes to show what people try to do, oddly mine only says 1.3 saloon blue (nothing about doors??)

 

my old boss was worst for it have 3 or 4 cars all on same plates and only moted one of them

[Posse]

I bet there is loads out there that have mexico log books that are not Years ago it was the done thing and easy as they were to two a penny .

[SebringRS]

My dads old "mex", that had been re-shelled a few years previous to us buying it, we bought it as a "Mk1 Escort Mexico Type 49 Shell with Cosworth engine and box fitted".......Paid about £13/14k for it, bit steep now i think about it, but dad hadnt planned on selling it so figured they'd be worth that when he did come to sell it

 

But got in touch with the owner before the guy we bought it off and he told us it was a Mk1 1300 shell, with a few type 49 bits on it (the obvious bits)...... then said "take it the guy didnt tell you when you got it?" Clearly for an obvious reason

 

Ended up selling it 3 months after for about £7000 i think it was, Told everyone in the advert it was a Mexico "Replica" with a 1300 shell used to rebuild it, thought being honest would be better, then got loads of abuse saying that its a stolen car then? Can't win

[rallyesport04]

if someone is daft enough to spend all there savings genuine RS/1100L more fool them there is enough clubs an information available to go armed with to check its the real thing its more than just a few strut plates welded to the shell to make a genuine rs if you had to have the genuine part perfect car a years membership to avo is alot cheaper than buying fake or incorrect speced car also if the cars the real thing the owner will have nothing to hide when it comes to inspecting it closley

 

sebring this is not a dig at you the car you brought was from a very shady person on a scam this isnt right but if you do your research things like this wouldnt happen

[Vista]

Equally blatant. I see the option for reporting sale of registration documents and VIN plates no longer exists too.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ESCORT-VAN-MK2-1979-v-reg-/130829249088?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e7607ea40

[Top Ghia]

The thing that shocked me over on that forum is the number of members who are openly involved in this type of thing.One guy just sold what amounts to a roof skin with rear quarters for £1200 not forgetting the Mexico V5 and tags.

[Vista]

Which forum is that?

[In The Pit]

This has stirred things up over on Rallye sport forum. I cant believe the attitude of some people on there.

 

What is the attitude over there?

 

Some forums approach this from the "it helps get a car back on the road when someone has a shell but no ID" side of things. Whilst I accept that there are a few legitimate instances and reasons for someone needing an ID (restoring a car they can't establish a chassis and/or reg no for for instance) I can't accept that this need should take precedence over what V5s are frequently sought out for, i.e. hiding the identity of stolen cars. It is for this reason that we do not permit the selling of vehicle IDs on Old Skool Ford.

 

 

 

You never see IDs for 1.1 pops for sale that's the point, its always RS cars or sports. But then theres no value ringing a 1.1 pop is there?

 

Although I haven't seen ones for 1.1 Pops I have seen them for 1300 L's (with bids on) there is only two reasons for buying these ringing kits and thats to:

 

A: Change the identity of a car to a higher value model for financial gain (e.g an L into a Mexico)

 

B: To ring a stolen car.

 

Most sites don't allow the selling of V5's/tags as its illegal. Ebay should really report these people to the police as they are assisting crime.

 

I can't believe anybody who is a car enthusiast thinks its ok to sell these items, just look at the stolen car section on this site most of these cars that aren't stripped probably now have an I.D bought from ebay.

 

If your breaking a classic Ford its best to destroy the two tags by cutting them up into tiny pieces, break the number plates up, grind the VIN no. off the shell and send the log book back to Swansea registering the car as scrap.

[Top Ghia]

The thing that shocked me over on that forum is the number of members who are openly involved in this type of thing.One guy just sold what amounts to a roof skin with rear quarters for £1200 not forgetting the Mexico V5 and tags.

 

 

Rallye sport escort forum. One or two members post up ebay log book sales and report them. And end up getting shouted down by the rest who don't care or are at it themselves.

[Escort Mk1 4 Door]

as we are on the line of id's

 

anyone know where i can get new eather blank or stamped with correct id vin tags. as im restoring mine but the proper tags knackered and some ones done a new one and its all over the place looks like stevie wounder did it

[RS2000CUSTOM]

As I OWN Rallye Sport Escorts website I can assure you all that NO V5 sales are allowed

 

If someone posts a link to an Ebay thread then it is EBAY that is allowing the advert NOT ME !

 

As most EBAY adverts are "thinly veiled" V5 sales and you too have allowed such a link to be posted within this thread then where is the difference ?

 

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-ESCORT-MK2-1600-SPORT-V5-NOT-MEXICO-RS2000-/261148170275?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3ccda4d823

 

 

 

 

I allow free speech and freedom of expression on my website and as such - 1 mans log book is another mans stolen ID - but I will not allow the trading of such item to be placed as a classified ad on my site

 

Hope this clarifies the situation

[RS2000CUSTOM]

 

 

The thing that shocked me over on that forum is the number of members who are openly involved in this type of thing.One guy just sold what amounts to a roof skin with rear quarters for £1200 not forgetting the Mexico V5 and tags.

 

 

 

Rallye sport escort forum. One or two members post up ebay log book sales and report them. And end up getting shouted down by the rest who don't care or are at it themselves.

 

 

Please link to the classified (not a "linked to" advert) advert on my site where a Mexico V5 was sold under the disguise of a roof skin for sale

 

I am only human and if such a thread exists I will remove it immediately

 

As for others "shouting people down" then free speech is allowed but personal attack is not BUT please prove it that as you quoted "the rest" "are at it themselves" !

[RS2000CUSTOM]

 

It is for this reason that we do not permit the selling of vehicle IDs on Old Skool Ford.

 

 

V5 sales are NOT allowed on http://www.rallyesportescorts.co.uk either

[RS2000CUSTOM]

Maybe the Rallye Sport Escort HATERS may wish to look at this thread and see just what we have uncovered !!!

 

http://bbs.rallyesportescorts.co.uk/showthread.php?p=633868#post633868

[Vista]

I allow free speech and freedom of expression on my website and as such - 1 mans log book is another mans stolen ID - but I will not allow the trading of such item to be placed as a classified ad on my site

 

Hope this clarifies the situation

 

We also allow free speech so the posts you've reported will stay. Plus, note that the comments (see below for instance) are aimed at some of the users of your forum rather than the forum itself. I also note your statement that V5 sales are prohibited on your site just as they are on here and will remove any future comments that suggest otherwise.

 

 

This has stirred things up over on Rallye sport forum. I cant believe the attitude of some people on there.

[RS2000CUSTOM]

Many thanks Vista

 

We all know V5 sales are rife but until such time as DVLA "outlaw it" then it will continue

 

Sites like ours are doing our bit to make people aware so they can be a bit more forearmed when buying a car but we both do not allow Classified Ads to perpetrate the sales of V5's

 

This is not just a problem in the Escort world