Zetic into Mk3 'tina

[Stu_B]

I've been playing around with the idea of fitting a zetec into my cortina, I was gonna get a pinto on twin carbs but I'm liking the idea of a fuel injected zetec now. I'm trying to get an idea of all the parts involved, & this is assuming that the sump & engine mount kits for an escort will fit the cortina!

 

Engine mounts

Sump

Bellhousing

Type 9

Mondeo ECU & loom

Some kind of fuel pump or swirlpot for my fuel tank.

 

I'm sure I have massively overlooked lots of things here! feel free to add to the list or inform me of any problems I'm likely to encounter.

I'm on a budget so my plan is to buy a cheap 2l mondeo for the engine, ECU & wiring loom.

[ZetecVan 2.0]

Have a look at this thread for what you'll need for Escorts and Anglias.

 

http://www.oldskoolford.co.uk/phpBB2/vi ... hp?t=60364

[Stu_B]

Spot on cheers

[Stu_B]

Can I not use the standard water rail & throttlebodies/injection system from the zetec?

[Burns]

i think you'd have problems with the water rail because it's FWD originally

[ZetecVan 2.0]

Can I not use the standard water rail & throttlebodies/injection system from the zetec?

 

You need a new waterrail because the thermostat on the Mondeo is a big square plastic box on the right as you look at it on the mondeo. The bulkhead is in the way when you turn it round to RWD.

 

You could use the standard injection and ECU to keep costs down but you won't be able to tune it. And make sure you get the correct ECU as the later ones have the PATS (Passive Anti Theft System) built in, so it won't run without the correct ignition key. The earlier ECUs are the one to look for. They all have a four letter code but I don't know which ones are the one to look for.

[Stu_B]

I've heard that about the PATS which is why I was gonna use a mondeo one as these don't have it, the earlier ones anyway.

I'm really only considering it as I my budget is very low & I don't really fancy a smokey old pinto. I'm not worried about tuning it as 130bhp standard would be fine for the moment.

[pauln]

The ford ecus for a 2l from 93 (non built in pats) start with D and are DEWY, DEEP and DESK (there is a DALE as well). A link to fords ecu list.

http://www.peacockandpurvey.co.uk/ford_ecu_list.html

 

If you can't find a 93 mondeo but can find a later silvertopped mondeo you could buy this and locate the ecu seperately you will then need to do this as the ecu pin locations are different. (I have a 93 ecu and 95 wiring which needed pin changes).

 

http://www.escortevolution.co.uk/forums ... tec+escort

 

Without wishing to put you off going zetec. Since you already have a transit engine in your car, why not just go for an injected pinto out of a S erra I think Bortafs has better than 130BHP and you would save yourself some money and time (but not suffer any weight penalty).

[bortaf]

have a look here

 

http://pipinhispop.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/

 

You could cut the plastic heater box on the Mk3 to clear the zetec housing ?

 

With a cone filter, ashley manifold and system pinto EFis do around 120 torque and 120 BHP for a 70+ thou engine that aint bad trouble is getting doners aint so easy as a zetec but you get a simpler/cheaper instal, depends how tight you are i guess or how good your fabrication skills are

 

Check out "Duffy"s thread on his Mk5 zetec install on BSC in members cars

[pauln]

have a look here

 

http://pipinhispop.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/

 

You could cut the plastic heater box on the Mk3 to clear the zetec housing ?

 

With a cone filter, ashley manifold and system pinto EFis do around 120 torque and 120 BHP for a 70+ thou engine that aint bad trouble is getting doners aint so easy as a zetec but you get a simpler/cheaper instal, depends how tight you are i guess or how good your fabrication skills are

 

Check out "Duffy"s thread on his Mk5 zetec install on BSC in members cars

 

Oops misrepresented you there (my apologies). Maybe the zetec just edges it as the better option (powerwise) then. Thinking about a previous conversation we had it might be the 2.0l Zetec may be a reasonable swap for a pinto in a cortina (3,4,5) as it has a heavier flywheel than the 1.8.

[bortaf]

I recon i'm about the 125 area TBH i've fitted a cam since my power run (which according to the manufacturer is worth 16 BHP but no way IMHO) even Esmie only just topped the 130 mark, prolly the near the limit of the inlet system me thinks

The bigger the car the more torque becomes the deciding factor for accell times, what's a zetec do in terms of torque ?

[pauln]

The bigger the car the more torque becomes the deciding factor for accell times, what's a zetec do in terms of torque ?

 

Got a figure off turbosport of 178Nm (why it's not in ft lbs i don't know) at 4400rpm (1.8s 160 Nm). What revs does a pinto give max at?

[bortaf]

Peak torque is around 4400 but it's pretty much there by about 2500, max power at 5500 ish

 

TBH the zetec should be better all round, at least i would expect it be anyway but then 16V engines tend to be less torquey low down than 8Vs so it's as much where it is as how high it is.

For example an 8V twink is only 10Ft Lbs up at peak over a pinto but it's making 110Ft Lbs by 1500 RPM a 1000 earlyer than the pinto and you sure feel it when it comes to moving over a ton of car off the line

 

I recon it's be cheaper to do a zetec in a Mk3/4/5 than an escort due to more room, it's cheaper to alter the plastec heaterbox than buy a water rail ect.

[ZetecVan 2.0]

Here are my torque and bhp figures from when I had it rolling roaded at Northampton Motorsport

 

 

 

That's a 2.0 with Jenvey TBs and standard cams.

[bortaf]

Looks nice

mind if i keep em for future referance?

well TBH i've saved em already but ok if i use em later on as an example, you never know when a comparison will come in handy