IVAs and the clampdown on modified cars.

[zetecmk2]

i score no points!!! also not bothered by a q plate on the escort, but how does the law stand with tax exemption? is it "q plate..pay tax" whatever age the vehicle?

[Ken B]

Q's have to pay, as Q means year identification cannot be determined. We have a Q plates 4x4 Anglia in the AOC, and he has to pay.

[stevepeanut]

has anyone got a copy of the "points system" I want to try and add up wether my capri would be ok or not.

 

This is from the dvla site..... oh as far as i know both axles together get you 2 points one axle gets you nothing same i think for the suspension

 

 

Allocating a vehicle registration mark

The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original registration mark. If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA), enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA), single vehicle approval (SVA) or motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) certificate will be required to register the vehicle. A 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.

Scoring components

The following values will be allocated to the major components used:

 

chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points

suspension = 2 points

axles = 2 points

transmission = 2 points

steering assembly = 2 points

engine = 1 point

 

looks like mine should be ok then

[Mr2Caps]

For now, yes, but once the scheme is in and everyone is 'happy' and the general resistance has died down, the scheme will be extended and then you get to the point where you change the indicator bulb for one that is not original spec you will fail and be forced off the road, and into a modern car, which can be easily monitored and taxed to a standstill. The government doesn't like tax exempt cars, they don't generate income, which is why the rolling tax exemption was stopped. As for a petition, you reckon it will do some good? Its probably too late for that anyway!

[fezza_mat]

i just think we need to bend over and take it thats all that can be done now but what worries me is if it wasnt for me my mothers car would never get looked at checked weekly sort of thing the only time it would is mot time or if something breaks and it goes to the garage and a lot can happen in a year

but she would be totaly legal to drive around the hole system is shot

[Smudger105e]

The government doesn't like tax exempt cars, they don't generate income, which is why the rolling tax exemption was stopped.

 

Stopped? It was never a rolling tax exemption, the date was fixed at introduction and has never moved.

 

As previously said, the HRVCC are the organisation to represent all car Clubs, and people can join as individuals too. The Anglia Owners' Club is certainly a member.

 

I don't think most people have an issue with cars being checked to ensure they are raodworthy, the issue in this case (The Bentley, remember?!) was that the initial check was done by someone who was apparently unqualified to undertake engineering assessments, and that the DVLA could not agree with itself as to which type of assessment the vehicle needed. And why a mandatory Q plate?

[Mr2Caps]

Fair comment, although the original proposal for the 'historic vehicle' taxation class was to have the cut off date as a 'rolling' date. With regard to unqualified people being judge and jury on what has been modified, I agree, and I have said as much in a previous post.

[Vista]

The government doesn't like tax exempt cars, they don't generate income, which is why the rolling tax exemption was stopped.

 

Stopped? It was never a rolling tax exemption, the date was fixed at introduction and has never moved.

 

That's not my recollection of it smudger. The Conservatives introduced it as a rolling 25 year exemption and labour axed the rolling part of it when they got in in 1997 hence why we have the end of 1972 as a cut off.

[Ken B]

Anyway, what i'm not getting on here there seems to be a general concensus that this is a plot to get old cars off the road. This IVA/BIVA things applies to all sorts of vehicles not just "old" cars. its applies to ice cream vans, hearse makers, ambulance builders, kit cars, etc the list goes on. Its a set of rules that many have had to comply with under hte old name of SVA. Many of us also will never have to face it as we comply with the "points" system mentioned earlier therfore a normal MoT will still suffice.

i dont doubt that many may now have to go thru it that didnt before, but at least you can pay the money once for the IVA test if you pass all well and good. Just look at it an expensive one off MoT.

[stevepeanut]

If I get any hassle with the capri, I'll put it back to normal and sell it, and then buy something thats fast as fook as standard, like a skyline or mk4 supra

[RETRO_AL]

The government doesn't like tax exempt cars, they don't generate income, which is why the rolling tax exemption was stopped.

 

Stopped? It was never a rolling tax exemption, the date was fixed at introduction and has never moved.

 

That's not my recollection of it smudger. The Conservatives introduced it as a rolling 25 year exemption and labour axed the rolling part of it when they got in in 1997 hence why we have the end of 1972 as a cut off.

 

Thats what i thought aswell,and the amount if people who i talk to about classic cars still think any car 25 years or older will be tax exempt,then i hav e to explain the pre 73 rule

[hellblue]

I had a bit of a read of the iva manual whilst most of the things in it are simple enough to sort .... dual circuit brakes, rear fog light, heater/demister, reversing lamps,hazard lights,seat belts ...... but one that is harder is the glass fitted to the car (all round) has to be of a safety glass marked as cars are now with a E mark !! I dont know when this came in but would think it was in the 80's ??? Plastic (not front screen) can be used but this also has to be marked !!

So if you end up needing a basic IVA as it would be for us the glass will be a big downfall

Non marked glass was one item Andy's car failed on flat E marked glass is cheap enough to have made

 

Yes, i thought the tax was started as a rolling tax & was stopped by our then new leaders

[escortmad79]

The following values will be allocated to the major components used:

 

chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points

suspension = 2 points

axles = 2 points

transmission = 2 points

steering assembly = 2 points

engine = 1 point

Going by that:

 

Bubble arched Mk1 Escort, lowered, LSD, TranX box or even a quickshift, quick rack & engine upgrade = 14 points!

[escortmad79]

i score no points!!! also not bothered by a q plate on the escort, but how does the law stand with tax exemption? is it "q plate..pay tax" whatever age the vehicle?

Having a car on a Q plate can seriously affect your insurance! Some companies won't insure Q plate cars

[vibrating_Cake]

I had a bit of a read of the iva manual whilst most of the things in it are simple enough to sort .... dual circuit brakes, rear fog light, heater/demister, reversing lamps,hazard lights,seat belts ...... but one that is harder is the glass fitted to the car (all round) has to be of a safety glass marked as cars are now with a E mark !! I dont know when this came in but would think it was in the 80's ??? Plastic (not front screen) can be used but this also has to be marked !!

So if you end up needing a basic IVA as it would be for us the glass will be a big downfall

Non marked glass was one item Andy's car failed on flat E marked glass is cheap enough to have made

 

Yes, i thought the tax was started as a rolling tax & was stopped by our then new leaders

 

 

everything on the road near enough has to have an E-mark, headlights indicators seatbelts windows etc

 

e-marked for safe road use....

 

spotlights/extra foglights not e-approved on a car can get you 3 points and a fine if used on the road

 

under the law.... E-approved windows .... well, check the new renault megane f1... the track version, this comes with plastic windows as standard NON FLAT ones too!

[escortmad79]

I had a bit of a read of the iva manual whilst most of the things in it are simple enough to sort .... dual circuit brakes, rear fog light, heater/demister, reversing lamps,hazard lights,seat belts ...... but one that is harder is the glass fitted to the car (all round) has to be of a safety glass marked as cars are now with a E mark !! I dont know when this came in but would think it was in the 80's ??? Plastic (not front screen) can be used but this also has to be marked !!

So if you end up needing a basic IVA as it would be for us the glass will be a big downfall

Non marked glass was one item Andy's car failed on flat E marked glass is cheap enough to have made

 

Yes, i thought the tax was started as a rolling tax & was stopped by our then new leaders

What if your car wasn't fitted with such items when new & you choose to modify it?

 

My estate doesn't have duel circuit brakes as far as I know, has no rear fogs, reversing lights or hazard lights, it has single speed wipers, none inertia seatbelts & no E marks on the windows