mk1super Posted March 3, 2008 Report Posted March 3, 2008 Can someone explain in a simple manner how they work and post up some pics for me as iam highly confused, is it like giving a mk1/2 escort a independant back end? Sorry for my ignorance And also how many types of linked axel do you get 4 and 5? or can you get 3 and 6?
ZetecVan 2.0 Posted March 3, 2008 Report Posted March 3, 2008 For pictures, have a look at the 5 link Milton conversion on the anglia. Not as pretty as escort ones, but it does the job. http://105speed.hyperboards.com/index.p ... 9003#29003
kirk10 Posted March 4, 2008 Report Posted March 4, 2008 few pics i found out for you should show you what you need
Burns Posted March 4, 2008 Report Posted March 4, 2008 you might want to look through the threads in retro's room, i believe he's done a comprehensive thread with pictures about this
tim Posted March 4, 2008 Report Posted March 4, 2008 nar its not like IRS. 4,5,6 link all keep a live axle. the forward facing link stop the driving torque twistin the axle under load
mk1super Posted March 4, 2008 Author Report Posted March 4, 2008 Thanks for the replies guys, would it be difficult to go the Irs on a mk1 escort?
tim Posted March 4, 2008 Report Posted March 4, 2008 Thanks for the replies guys, would it be difficult to go the Irs on a mk1 escort? not all that hard but for the work involved it wouldnt be no better than a good set up and linked live axle,i think gary has done 1 before but not that good on an escort,3dr cossy yea there good on
mk1super Posted March 4, 2008 Author Report Posted March 4, 2008 Hmmmm so Hypothetically if you grafted the cossie floor pan into the mk1 shell????
tim Posted March 4, 2008 Report Posted March 4, 2008 alot of work and costs for minimal improvment,if goin that far you could just go 4wd
Retromotorsport Posted March 5, 2008 Report Posted March 5, 2008 The S,erra rear suspension is designed for a taxi ... it carrys 5 people and their luggage, it has to be comfy and durable and be able to fit under the arses of Harry, Phylis and their kids when going on their hols The major trouble with the rear is the camber change , look at the 3drs with 500 horse at the pod .. slow aint they ,.. the car squats and the tyres try to kiss each other, which means your trying to accelerate on the inside edge, little more than a pushbikes contact patch Or look at the thunderloons... a certain car in there had a good engine ..ran mid pack, fitted it with a 9" and 6 link, went to the front .. thats proof or the look at another recent flop.. McCraes (rip) red thing .. had a shocking ammount of camber change and , so rumour has it, was beaten at sweet lamb with him driving an identical car but fitted with a normal 6 link. Anyone see it set the stages alight ..?? see it beat anything other than a wallet ?? the only IRS worth considering from an geometry and engineering point is a double wishbone set up ... theres a reason why all Formuls and supercars use these setups ..they work As for 4 wheel drive ..... what are you a farmer, unless your doing gravel/forresty stages leave the 4WD to the JCB's Audi only won the BTCC because they where allowed to run lighter than the FWD cars and those were lighter than the RWD .. (theres a clue there) then the Mondeos won with a 4WD car ... with an empty front diff !!!! light but RWD only ..
MightySprocket Posted March 5, 2008 Report Posted March 5, 2008 The S,erra rear suspension is designed for a taxi ... it carrys 5 people and their luggage, it has to be comfy and durable and be able to fit under the arses of Harry, Phylis and their kids when going on their hols The major trouble with the rear is the camber change , look at the 3drs with 500 horse at the pod .. slow aint they ,.. the car squats and the tyres try to kiss each other, which means your trying to accelerate on the inside edge, little more than a pushbikes contact patch Or look at the thunderloons... a certain car in there had a good engine ..ran mid pack, fitted it with a 9" and 6 link, went to the front .. thats proof or the look at another recent flop.. McCraes (rip) red thing .. had a shocking ammount of camber change and , so rumour has it, was beaten at sweet lamb with him driving an identical car but fitted with a normal 6 link. Anyone see it set the stages alight ..?? see it beat anything other than a wallet ?? the only IRS worth considering from an geometry and engineering point is a double wishbone set up ... theres a reason why all Formuls and supercars use these setups ..they work As for 4 wheel drive ..... what are you a farmer, unless your doing gravel/forresty stages leave the 4WD to the JCB's Audi only won the BTCC because they where allowed to run lighter than the FWD cars and those were lighter than the RWD .. (theres a clue there) then the Mondeos won with a 4WD car ... with an empty front diff !!!! light but RWD only .. Hi Gary, so where do cart springs, tramp bars and a panhard rod figure in all this
Retromotorsport Posted March 5, 2008 Report Posted March 5, 2008 ok i've searched for wishbones, upper and lower, and various other things to find the same old post would have been quicker to type it out again posted more than once ... cart springs ...................................... good cart springs and anti tramps .............. better panhard rod ..................................... better watts link better................................ better 4 link ............................................... better 4 link using coil overs......................... better bespoke designed 6 link .....................better full wishbone suspension ................... best
MightySprocket Posted March 5, 2008 Report Posted March 5, 2008 ok i've searched for wishbones, upper and lower, and various other things to find the same old post would have been quicker to type it out again posted more than once ... cart springs ...................................... good cart springs and anti tramps .............. better panhard rod ..................................... better watts link better................................ better 4 link ............................................... better 4 link using coil overs......................... better bespoke designed 6 link .....................better full wishbone suspension ................... best lmao nice one gary
Wessie Posted March 5, 2008 Report Posted March 5, 2008 if you want one of the best setup's for our escort (money no object lol) go on turbosport and sind the tuscan/escort its awesome there was also a mk2 escort featured in retro ford that was using IRS (based on BMW in beleive) and there a couple of rally escorts that use IRS, but as has been said before - its not much of a gain for the amount of money it costs
hellblue Posted March 5, 2008 Report Posted March 5, 2008 As with any suspension front or rear, what you fit comes down to what your going to use the car for ! not much point 4 linking it to drive to the odd show ??
mk1super Posted March 5, 2008 Author Report Posted March 5, 2008 Ok say you want something thats rapid handles, will go sideways when required ( On a private road of course ) And will effectivley put down power of say a cossie lump in the future. Whats your best route?
sambo Posted March 6, 2008 Report Posted March 6, 2008 Forgive me for being blunt but, isn't having the live axle part of the fun in the first place? It's a signature component of owning an OSF and making it IRS is just a waste. You might as well buy a bmw or something that already has it?? Live axle etc is part of the osf charm surely??
Retromotorsport Posted March 6, 2008 Report Posted March 6, 2008 there was also a mk2 escort featured in retro ford that was using IRS (based on BMW in beleive) Ricky's car has some problems with that rear .. its toeing in an out, think we traced the problem though, but its still touch and go wether it goes back to be 6 linked
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