Forgive my ignorance...... Duratec related

[sambo]

Now i have been told, by someone that knows cars and fords that a 2.3 duratec running throttle bodies with no other work to the engine and not even taking it apart, will make nearly 300bhp. Now that to me sounds like complete bullshite.

 

Looking at past classic ford mags with (i think) SBD? making 300bhp out of their 2.0 duratec was VERY expensive and took a lot of time, effort and engineering.

 

So, i ask, (Gaz will love this...) Are they bloody worth it?

All of the conversion costs etc and for how much horsepower?

 

[tim]

where has the engine come from as there isnt a 2.3 duratec in any current fords (from memory)

the 2.3 is fitted to some mazda's tho

[Guest MK1gaz]

Now i have been told, by someone that knows cars and fords that a 2.3 duratec running throttle bodies with no other work to the engine and not even taking it apart, will make nearly 300bhp. Now that to me sounds like complete bullshite.

Your right it is complete bullshit with a capital B !!!!!!! They can't get much more than 180bhp from an unopened 2.3 duratec even with £3000 worth of bits bolted to it . If you change the cams and do the headwork to go over 200bhp then the bottom ends made of chocolate and breaks in half !!!!!!!!

[Guest MK1gaz]

Here's a quick list of duratec bits you need to put one in an escort . I have all the prices as well cos i was going to do it myself a while back but changed my mind

1= buy an engine

2=dry sump system

3=water rail

4=alternator relocation kit

5=engine mount kit

6=flywheel

7=mazda to ford bellhousing

8=throttle bodies and ecu etc etc to make it work

9=exhaust manifold

There's other bits but that lot gets it off the floor and into an escort but then you've got to tune it or get blown away by zetecs !!!!!!

[Guest MK1gaz]

Basic must have "go faster" goodies inside the engine are as follows :

1=steel rods

2=forged pistons

3=cams , verniers , solid lifters and headwork etc etc

4=timing chain mods or even upgrading to a rubber cam belt

5=steel crank if taking the engine to full potential .

This is a great engine in full monty spec but then again what engine isn't !!!!!!!!

[Gonzo]

Buy something Japanese to go in it, Sam! You know it makes sense!

[Guest MK1gaz]

a duratec is Japanese , IT'S A MAZDA ENGINE

[Gonzo]

I meant something decent that's japanese. =P

 

Ie: the 1.8 or 2.0 turbo Nissan lumps, or something by Honda.

 

 

My bad, shoulda clarified.

[Guest MK1gaz]

If you must have a Jap crap engine then a Honda S2000 engine must be the first choice surely . A few of these comming out this year so we'll see what they go like

[mitomad]

Gaz, just out of interest do you know how much it would be to get a 300hp 2L atmo cossie built?

[Guest MK1gaz]

Gaz, just out of interest do you know how much it would be to get a 300hp 2L atmo cossie built?

Less than a duratec would cos they fit into an escort easy

[mitomad]

Gaz, just out of interest do you know how much it would be to get a 300hp 2L atmo cossie built?

Less than a duratec would cos they fit into an escort easy

I didnt say what it was going in though i just asked if you knew what it would cost to get the engine built.

[Gonzo]

If you must have a Jap crap engine then a Honda S2000 engine must be the first choice surely . A few of these comming out this year so we'll see what they go like

 

I'm dropping a 1600 4a-ge out of a mk1 MR2 into my Cortina. They're meant to be good for close to 200bhp with some decent carbs [Read] and some adjustable cam sprockets.

 

Get some funny cams, decent springs and give it a head skim, you're looking at about 220+ on a standard bottom end. And it'll cope.

 

The 4a-gze [supercharged MR2 engine] is the one to go for if you want silly power, so I've read.

[Guest MK1gaz]

Gaz, just out of interest do you know how much it would be to get a 300hp 2L atmo cossie built?

Less than a duratec would cos they fit into an escort easy

I didnt say what it was going in though i just asked if you knew what it would cost to get the engine built.

Depends who does it . An engine is an engine so they all cost the same to build it's the cost of the parts and the install into the car that changes . A YB has steel rods and a steel crank as standard so if you use these you save a further few grand on top of the install costs

[mitomad]

Gaz, just out of interest do you know how much it would be to get a 300hp 2L atmo cossie built?

Less than a duratec would cos they fit into an escort easy

I didnt say what it was going in though i just asked if you knew what it would cost to get the engine built.

Depends who does it . An engine is an engine so they all cost the same to build it's the cost of the parts and the install into the car that changes . A YB has steel rods and a steel crank as standard so if you use these you save a further few grand on top of the install costs

Well from any engine builders with a good reputation, just asking as a friend is thinking of investing in a mental atmo cossie. And you seem to know a thing or two bout the old lumps so wonderd if you knew of any prices.

Edit- and by 300hp i mean not just once would have to put up with a lot of abuse.

[Guest MK1gaz]

I know all the parts prices of all the 4 cylinder engines cos i looked at them all for 6 months !!!!!!! . The cheapest way to go fast in an escort is a YB/pinto based engine . All the others cost more to keep up

[mk1super]

I know all the parts prices of all the 4 cylinder engines cos i looked at them all for 6 months !!!!!!! . The cheapest way to go fast in an escort is a YB/pinto based engine . All the others cost more to keep up

 

See i told you pig the atmos one studied the pinto just wait you will see him talking in tongues next

 

 

Iam a convert stick with a pinto

[john_3.0s]

Now i have been told, by someone that knows cars and fords that a 2.3 duratec running throttle bodies with no other work to the engine and not even taking it apart, will make nearly 300bhp. Now that to me sounds like complete bullshite.

 

Looking at past classic ford mags with (i think) SBD? making 300bhp out of their 2.0 duratec was VERY expensive and took a lot of time, effort and engineering.

 

So, i ask, (Gaz will love this...) Are they bloody worth it?

All of the conversion costs etc and for how much horsepower?

 

 

who told you that sam?

[4parajon]

Back to the original question.

 

I can't see that there's any truth in it. Icky (MadTurk on here) is just about ready to get his 2.3 duratec engined escort on the road and I believe its an all steel bottom end and has had lots of head work done and that made 260+ bhp on the dyno with a standard manifold. He's hoping for nearly 300 now with a new manifold and exhaust system.

 

The 2.3 engine is from the Ford Ranger by the way.

[sambo]

Now i have been told, by someone that knows cars and fords that a 2.3 duratec running throttle bodies with no other work to the engine and not even taking it apart, will make nearly 300bhp. Now that to me sounds like complete bullshite.

 

Looking at past classic ford mags with (i think) SBD? making 300bhp out of their 2.0 duratec was VERY expensive and took a lot of time, effort and engineering.

 

So, i ask, (Gaz will love this...) Are they bloody worth it?

All of the conversion costs etc and for how much horsepower?

 

 

who told you that sam?

 

Some bloke who is painting your capri.

 

I thought it was bull. He wasnt lying but just believed it was true.

[Retromotorsport]

This is the Sports 2000 engine

 

http://www.sports2000-srcc.com/proseries/engine.cfm

 

which is the class leading engine in a series that has identical chassis and 3 types of engines ..

The duratec is romping away at the front ..followed by the Zetec cars and then the *cough* Pinto cars ..

 

Thats a genuine 2000cc engine producing 197bhp

Thats £4,432 inc vat for a complete engine including clutch .. all brand ,spanking new ..

Price includes a new standard engine from Mountune @ £1275 so you can get it lower if you supply an engine ..

 

Bear in mind the above engine has approx £1500 of throttle bodies and approx £800 worth of dry sump ..

 

To fit it in a ford escort you need an eaxhaust manifild , engine mounts, water rail, dry sump tank and a bellhousing.

 

 

Not in a million years would get a TB'ed and dry sumped Pinto of 2000cc producing close to 200bhp for less than 5k

 

 

As for 300bhp yb based engines .. just price up a Wilcox or Millington Diamond ... the best 2000cc YB i've seen had 287 bhp and cost a fortune .

 

I know what Gaz thinks .. and yes this will probably go down the same of road of Misquotes and BS ... so i'll leave this one here with the final words

 

a reliable 300bhp from a 2000cc Duratec for 13k, will take some beating .. The Nissan Touring car engines and Swindon XE engines from yesteryear in the BTCC cost 40k a pop ..

The Duratec is a cracking engine..hence why the major tuners around the world are selling them ..

[Guest MK1gaz]

A 16v pinto with 20 odd bhp less power will blast past a duratec with more power . This is because "peak bhp" means nothing in the real world , it just sells engines for the tuners !!!!!!!

[mitomad]

As for 300bhp yb based engines .. just price up a Wilcox or Millington Diamond ... the best 2000cc YB i've seen had 287 bhp and cost a fortune .

 

I know what Gaz thinks .. and yes this will probably go down the same of road of Misquotes and BS ... so i'll leave this one here with the final words

 

a reliable 300bhp from a 2000cc Duratec for 13k, will take some beating .. The Nissan Touring car engines and Swindon XE engines from yesteryear in the BTCC cost 40k a pop ..

The Duratec is a cracking engine..hence why the major tuners around the world are selling them ..

Thats why i was asking gaz as there is no hope of getting a 300hp yb for anywhere near the price of the duratec, but as usual he started changing the subject when you compare them like for like.

[sambo]

But does'nt peak BHP mean ALOT on the track as opposed to strip stuff where you do need a fat wall of torque and power?

[Guest MK1gaz]

A large "peak" bhp number means nothing if the power is only at the top end as you'll be slower out of corners compared to a gutsy engine with a big fat power band that's got less "peak" bhp . Also an engine needs to rev and pull the car through the mid-range power in order to get to the "peak" bhp .