IVAs and the clampdown on modified cars.

[Mr2Caps]

Looking forward to the day when we all drive around in our identical cars, to our identical offices, eat our identical lunches, and return to our identical homes, god this is depressing reading

[shakey n his fezz]

bunch of c**ts anything to make money complete w**kers can shove this country right up their arses its a F**ckin disgrace that we should pay for the mistakes and for them letting the F**kin world in bunck of kn*bs massive cruise out side the houses of parliment to protest?

[escort greg]

This is making me mad....i will be protesting this all the way.,..this countrys sh**

[pads]

But I am in the thinking from what I have read here and else where that it only applys to new and or unregistered vehicles.

 

To our older cars it will not apply.

[Ken B]

It applies to all vehicles that have been modified beyond the points sytem that DVLA use to establish whether a car is entitled to its original registration. The long and short of which means cars that have structurally altered in some way. Thats US, street legal Rods, landrovers, the extended limo's etc etc.

[bashbymk2]

I dont think there is any need to sell parts as your worried this will come into effect...

 

From what i can read from this it will basically wipe out.... the modified mini scene, the road legal hot rod scene, the max power boys, the heavily modifed VW's and the modified ford scene plus more

 

I cant really see that happening as there would be riots bigger than iran!

I would have said this is being put into place for the sole reason of safety, things like roof chops, body extensions, basically work that aint been done properly.

 

Im building a car at the moment so things like this really interest me... maybe it will happen but i cant see it wiping out the modified car scene entirely, there is always loop holes, polish mot testers that take cash

[Vista]

Whilst intrusion of a government body into anyone's hobby is always going to provoke knee jerk reactions, resistance and anger, I'm not sure this should necessarily be viewed as a bad thing. If it keeps dangerously modified or bodged cars off the road and the roads therefore safer, then I'm happy to comply (if a little miffed at the additional cost).

 

I hope it doesn't go the same way as the rest of Europe where the slightest modifications are difficult to get agreed.

[bashbymk2]

I agree however projects like your van will be subject to an SVA and could possibly fail because of the amount of modifications.

 

I have had a look on the dvla website and they have actually issued the manual that the SVA inspectors will use to pass/fail cars. Ive also see that this has been threatening to happen since 2004 so I think its just keeping our eyes open and aware so were ready when it really kicks in

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[Mr2Caps]

Whilst intrusion of a government body into anyone's hobby is always going to provoke knee jerk reactions, resistance and anger, I'm not sure this should necessarily be viewed as a bad thing. If it keeps dangerously modified or bodged cars off the road and the roads therefore safer, then I'm happy to comply (if a little miffed at the additional cost).

 

I hope it doesn't go the same way as the rest of Europe where the slightest modifications are difficult to get agreed.

 

It wouldn't be a bad thing, if it was thought through, implemented by properly trained, informed individuals, working to clear guidelines, posessed of common sense and able to make reasoned decisions, this is Britain 2009, what's the chances of that being the case? Tell me again you're happy to comply when the only thing we're allowed to drive is a brand new fridge on wheels.....Of course we want the roads to be safer and cars modifed properly, but think back 8 - 10 years in all areas of our lives, about the freedoms we once had, look at the legislation that has been brought in, are we safer? are we crime free? are we hell! Did we protest then? No. Of course we're going to end up like the rest of Europe thats what being in Europe means......

[escortmad79]

I agree however projects like your van will be subject to an SVA and could possibly fail because of the amount of modifications.

 

I have had a look on the dvla website and they have actually issued the manual that the SVA inspectors will use to pass/fail cars. Ive also see that this has been threatening to happen since 2004 so I think its just keeping our eyes open and aware so were ready when it really kicks in

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IVA & SVA are 2 totally different things.

 

IVA will affect modified production cars, SVA is for hot rods, kit cars & American imports.

[escortmad79]

But I am in the thinking from what I have read here and else where that it only applys to new and or unregistered vehicles.

 

To our older cars it will not apply.

It certainly will!!

 

Take a read of these:

 

http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.c ... read=63919

 

http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.c ... read=61576

[escortmad79]

One thing that I posted on Retro Rides that's a little confusing:

 

Say hypothetically you are building 2 mk1 Escorts, 1 with standard or Mexico wings, lowered, alloys etc & 1 with Bubble arches fitted, cutting open the rear wheel tubs.

 

Will they both be flagged up under the IVA as being modified or just the one that has had the bubbles fitted as it's altered the chassis/monocoque of the original design?

[bashbymk2]

from what i can see arnt they the same thing now

 

http://www.ampar.com/pdfs/SVA%20to%20IVA%20leaflet.pdf

[Vista]

Will they both be flagged up under the IVA as being modified or just the one that has had the bubbles fitted as it's altered the chassis/monocoque of the original design?

 

I'd go with neither SHOULD be flagged as both were available as options directly from Ford when new.

 

And an extract from that leaflet that's important

 

However, well-engineered vehicles should continue to pass the inspection without difficulty

[Ken B]

SVA doesn't exist anymore. Its the IVA and BIVA tests.

 

And just to clarify this has been coming for years,

a Quote from ACE:

 

There was a consultation document 5 years ago about the inspection procedures which brought ACE into being and we , along with NASC and NSRA had input into it and tried to get a Modified Car class that tested what was altered but nothing else.

 

The existing points system for cars has been in place for over 25 years and basically it's not going to change. Once you are outside that system you lose your right to registration and by LAW the only way to get back on the road is via a Ministers Approval certificate obtained by BIVA.

[Copey]

i wonder if this is all more to stop chavs with crappy body kits and things

 

i cant see people knowin what was and wasnt standard when our cars where manufactured

[Mr2Caps]

No one is saying that we want badly modifed cars on the road, but who is going to determine if the vehicles are well engineered and therefore will pass the test easily? If you read the original post there appear to be problems already.....The chavs with the go faster plastic add ons have not helped the cause, because, like it or not, to the general public and the politicians, we are all part of the same 'scene'. Don't forget the government needs cash, and if this can be realised by income generation on the pretence it is for our own good then so much the better! Once again we are a sitting target....

[stevepeanut]

has anyone got a copy of the "points system" I want to try and add up wether my capri would be ok or not.

 

it says "people rebuilding older cars with significant modifications"

 

my capri is fairly standard, only big thing, is its stripped out with a roll cage, is that classed as a significant mod?

[vibrating_Cake]

has anyone got a copy of the "points system" I want to try and add up wether my capri would be ok or not.

 

it says "people rebuilding older cars with significant modifications"

 

my capri is fairly standard, only big thing, is its stripped out with a roll cage, is that classed as a significant mod?

 

significant= stuff like engine change, suspension mounting point change, space-framing, roof chopping, extending/making smaller of the entire body etc.

 

you'll be fine, im the one who has to worry! suspension engine drivetrain and when i get a cage-space frame? ooof!

[bod]

seems to me the only way they can enforce this is via a modded tick on the new MOT form .....

got a freindly mot station this wont be a problem .

 

we as classic car owners arnt building new cars so as such wont have to register the car after we have modded or if its already modded

so who will no

 

the police as a rule dont no squat about classic cars (from expirence)

the only ones they be able to tell is the newish cars on the road .with blacked out windows

[Ken B]

They can enforce it anyway they want, be it from the MoT man's tick or a roadside check by VOSA which is how the Land Rover boys and as happened in Spalding 2 weeks ago with the extended limosines are getting caught. You can be rest assured that once it gets into full swing, the police will also be on the case. It's all early days, and it applies to vehicles of all ages old and new.

[BIGKEV]

If anyone was to stop me - I would comply with the upmost of manners - I wouldnt attempt to drive on nor would my attitude to a civil servant be one that would bring me into disripute.

 

I look forward to the pleasant gentleman from VOSA scrutinising a 30 uear old car and whatever he says I will of course listen to and applaud the system.

 

 

[hellblue]

has anyone got a copy of the "points system" I want to try and add up wether my capri would be ok or not.

 

This is from the dvla site..... oh as far as i know both axles together get you 2 points one axle gets you nothing same i think for the suspension

 

 

Allocating a vehicle registration mark

The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original registration mark. If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA), enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA), single vehicle approval (SVA) or motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) certificate will be required to register the vehicle. A 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.

Scoring components

The following values will be allocated to the major components used:

 

chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points

suspension = 2 points

axles = 2 points

transmission = 2 points

steering assembly = 2 points

engine = 1 point

[shakey n his fezz]

i score 3 points

[LEONMEX]

I do find myself abit worried about this but as vista has said if it keeps the dangerous crap off the road then it can in a strange way only be a good thing. How many have you actually looked into a proper petition or as tim has suggested joining or looking at a club that represents us as motorists rather than just moaning about it?? plenty of you are quick to say the police or dvla won't catch you or find out but beleive me its a big brother world & you WON'T get away with speeding away or slipping your mot tester £20 you will only give us classic/modified car owners an even worse reputation in trying to do so. Imagine if a dvla or vosa person read this thread,would look really good on all of us saying f**k them & f**k this im not doing this or im doing that & they won't find out or they won't catch me,they will. I work in the motor trade & this has been coming for along time & now the ball is rolling alot of s**t is going to hit the fan. I run a modified mk1 & am currently doing alot of work on it so this does worry me but i will carry on enjoying my car as much as i can as long as i can.