Wheel fell off!

[Tracey]

Can someone help

 

My sister had new alloys the other week, took it to the garage for tracking or something....not sure if it was tracking as whatever they did, they took the wheels off

 

She drives home and the feckin wheel falls off the car, nuts all down the road

 

The garage tell her this happened because who ever painted her wheels, got paint on the inside where the bolt goes and your not meant to paint inside that bit??

 

Is that a load of crap or what?

 

I'm thinking some numpty didn't tighten them before she took the car away

[Mrs O/H/C]

Deffo a numpty who did not tighten the wheel nuts

[Grizzley Dell]

thats testicles. thier just trying to blag thier way out of an expensive repair. tell them you are seeing a solicitor and you may find they will change thier mind. if the wheels were torqued they shouldnt come off. sounds lke a numpty didnt do them up properly

 

 

oh yeah how come they didnt warn you of the paint problem if thats the case.

also have the others come loose??? doubt it.

[Tracey]

Thanks, I thought as much

 

None of the other wheels have gone loose

 

My sister asked why they didn't warn her of this and the bloke said "I didn't fit your wheels, it was someone else"....

 

She is going to go back now she has had it confirmed it's crap!

 

[Grizzley Dell]

as i said, throw the word solicitor in a couple of times, they will back down.

[bortaf]

As an ex tyre fitter that is slightly true (that paint can stop a wheel nut gripping the wheel) BUT i have had this exact problem before and with correctly tightend wheels the nuts stayed on for days if not weeks, a few miles down the road indicates a numpty on the nutgun, even when wheels have been nut gunned up and not torqued with a breaker bar they will stay on for days and or 10 pluss miles, with a new alloy i allway recomend checking the wheel nuts after 20 mins/ 20 miles just to be safe

[banarama]

i worked as tyre fitter for 6 years.never heard so much rubbish.if the wheels are tight they not going to come undone .they never :toqued them up,id defenitly get a solicitor involved what a excuse paint wont affect the tightnest of the nuts.absolute crap.

[Fiesta Steve]

As an ex tyre fitter that is slightly true (that paint can stop a wheel nut gripping the wheel)

 

I agree, the paint acts as a lubricant between to metal surfaces, seen it a few times, usually on larger commercial vehicals though.

[banarama]

may be 1 wheel nut may of come loose but not all 4.simple they never tightened them up.toldthe young lady a load of old wander thinking she would believe then sly. fookers

[w p e]

dont the nuts self tighten due to the rotation direction aslong as they where tight to start with

[banarama]

dont the nuts self tighten due to the rotation direction aslong as they where tight to start with

thats correct

[bortaf]

dont the nuts self tighten due to the rotation direction aslong as they where tight to start with

only on one side

except on commercials where they have left and right handed thread studs but even on those the sideways forces can loosen an incorrectly tightend nut.

[over_head_cam]

I always make sure my nuts are tight

 

 

And not painted

[gpcmatric]

I dont use my nuts anymore there allways full

[Fiesta Steve]

dont the nuts self tighten due to the rotation direction aslong as they where tight to start with

 

If only !!...

 

Even with left and right hand treads they still come loose, its such a problem that my boss is contemplating spending £12k on special 'anti loose' wheel nuts. They are torqued every six weeks and rechecked whenever a wheel is removed.

[bortaf]

dont the nuts self tighten due to the rotation direction aslong as they where tight to start with

 

If only !!...

 

Even with left and right hand treads they still come loose, its such a problem that my boss is contemplating spending £12k on special 'anti loose' wheel nuts. They are torqued every six weeks and rechecked whenever a wheel is removed.

 

what's that on chap ? TBH i've never had a problem with transit sized recovery trucks ect, it's undoing the Bstds that's a pain

usually correctly tightening in the first place does the job but i guess on heavyer stuff the side loads can cause a lot of problems ? not really into heavyer trucks TBH i've seen artics with those metal retainers and pointers to keep check on the nuts or is it a vibration problem do you recon ?

allways wonderd

[Fiesta Steve]

dont the nuts self tighten due to the rotation direction aslong as they where tight to start with

 

If only !!...

 

Even with left and right hand treads they still come loose, its such a problem that my boss is contemplating spending £12k on special 'anti loose' wheel nuts. They are torqued every six weeks and rechecked whenever a wheel is removed.

 

what's that on chap ? TBH i've never had a problem with transit sized recovery trucks ect, it's undoing the Bstds that's a pain

usually correctly tightening in the first place does the job but i guess on heavyer stuff the side loads can cause a lot of problems ? not really into heavyer trucks TBH i've seen artics with those metal retainers and pointers to keep check on the nuts or is it a vibration problem do you recon ?

allways wonderd

 

Yeah, proper heavy stuff, I think its mostly paint or rust related with the added help of sheer weight, side loads and vibrations (they don't get balanced).

 

TBH its not common on cars so there is a good chance it was never torqued correctly. He may have heard the paint thing and just used that to cover his arse.

 

My local tyre shop never torques anything, they just use the windy gun and that does it up tighter than the reccommended setting, perhaps not the correct way but its what they do.

 

When I was at work the other day one of the office bods had a mobile tyre fitter come and fit four tyres. When he finished he fetched the owner of the car from the office and made him watch him torque the wheels and told him he should get them checked in however many miles and made him sign something to say they had been torqued !!

[bortaf]

dont the nuts self tighten due to the rotation direction aslong as they where tight to start with

 

If only !!...

 

Even with left and right hand treads they still come loose, its such a problem that my boss is contemplating spending £12k on special 'anti loose' wheel nuts. They are torqued every six weeks and rechecked whenever a wheel is removed.

 

what's that on chap ? TBH i've never had a problem with transit sized recovery trucks ect, it's undoing the Bstds that's a pain

usually correctly tightening in the first place does the job but i guess on heavyer stuff the side loads can cause a lot of problems ? not really into heavyer trucks TBH i've seen artics with those metal retainers and pointers to keep check on the nuts or is it a vibration problem do you recon ?

allways wonderd

 

Yeah, proper heavy stuff, I think its mostly paint or rust related with the added help of sheer weight, side loads and vibrations (they don't get balanced).

 

TBH its not common on cars so there is a good chance it was never torqued correctly. He may have heard the paint thing and just used that to cover his arse.

 

My local tyre shop never torques anything, they just use the windy gun and that does it up tighter than the reccommended setting, perhaps not the correct way but its what they do.

 

When I was at work the other day one of the office bods had a mobile tyre fitter come and fit four tyres. When he finished he fetched the owner of the car from the office and made him watch him torque the wheels and told him he should get them checked in however many miles and made him sign something to say they had been torqued !!

 

 

One of those rare decent fitters by the sound of it, TBH i windy then breaker bar the fookers, after 25 odd years you get a feel for what is "tight enough" if you don't they fall off learning the hard way is still learning mind you my windy is probably older than me and a wee bit under performing' just like me

[Skoty]

i work as a commercial panel beater, we do alot of refurb and respray work, and iv always been told that its illegal to paint the part of the hub the wheel is in contact with and the part of the wheel in contact with the hub. im not sure if this is the case with cars. obviously a lorry is much bigger and chassis paint is put on real thick.

 

but still i would say that the garage is talking bullshit. they prob didnt tighten them up enough.

[rousecapri]

i am hgv mechanic(for over 16 yrs)

they are trying it on....tossers

truck wheel nuts are normally done up to 450 lb/ft

then rechecked after 50 miles

i have seen the damage that happens when trucks loose wheels...its deadly!

there is a thing know as "loose wheel nut syndrome" when for some reason they come loose, it cant be explained .we saw it several times where nuts had come loose when they had not been touched(undone) for years......

9/10 its down to wheel studs snapping and allowing the rim to move which then either snaps other studs or they work loose..............it happens a fair bit on heavy stuff.......or they were not done up right first time......

[you'll get 10s on that]

Hi

Having worked in the alloy wheel industry for nearly 25 years there is truth in what they stated re painted wheelnut seat areas BUT they took the wheels off so any deterioration would have been either noted and cleaned off (or should have been) or the paint /powdercoat would have come away with the nut. Either way they are the experts (!!!) and therefore they should have ensured that the wheels were safe to be remounted....afterall they have subsequently advised you that there can be a potentail danger so they were aware of the risk.

 

Sounds too much like the wheelnuts were only run onto the threads and not torqued up. When the car was driven and brakes applied was there no vibration to warn the driver that something was amiss??

[derek keay]

mate i was a tyre fitter for 9 years that is total bull shit!!!!!!

[banarama]

mate i was a tyre fitter for 9 years that is total bull shit!!!!!!

[you'll get 10s on that]

mate i was a tyre fitter for 9 years that is total bull shit!!!!!!

 

Not so..FROM EXPERIANCE there is truth in the statement that painted wheelnut seatings can cause issue BUT they appear to have known that and therefore they should have addressed that issue when they did the work. I do agree that it appears that the wheelnuts on that wheel appear to have not been tightened correctly