Bellhousing for bell ends

[preacherman]

Question . Type 9 Cast iron bellhousing

Is there A difference between a transit pinto  bell housing and saloon pinto bellhousing. 

Ring gear and starters are different

Need to sort my starting issues. I think I may have knackered ring gear or compatability issues between it all. Keep snapping the starter cone or they are being destroyed. Thankfully it made it through the rolling road session...just

 

Neil

 

[eeb43]

transit pinto has a conversion plate on it to bolt it to a much bigger bellhousing

[preacherman]

I might need to change flywheel ring gear or get a tranny 9 tooth starter. The starter motor guy said the tranny starter will foul on bell housing.

Looks like I need to count flywheel teeth.

The strangle thing is I saw the sierra GL the box came out of as I bought engine and box as a job lot 

[katana]

5 hours ago, preacherman said:

Question . Type 9 Cast iron bellhousing

Is there A difference between a transit pinto  bell housing and saloon pinto bellhousing. 

Ring gear and starters are different

From what i've seen on a Turbosport thread, some of the Transit flywheels are huge - about 13.5" compared to a usual pinto flywheel at about 11" - obviously the bell housings, ring gears & possibly starters are similarly different! The poor guy couldn't work out why the flywheel wouldn't fit into his RS bell housing LOL!

[DT36]

52 minutes ago, preacherman said:

I might need to change flywheel ring gear or get a tranny 9 tooth starter. The starter motor guy said the tranny starter will foul on bell housing.

Looks like I need to count flywheel teeth.

The strangle thing is I saw the sierra GL the box came out of as I bought engine and box as a job lot 

I definitely definitely have a 135 tooth Pinto flywheel here.

It's full weight, so nice idle 😉

[preacherman]

If the tranny flywheel and bell housing are larger when  compared to a saloon.

Is it far to say given I have sierra bellhousing that the starter motor dog  would not align with ring gear. 

See attached sketch dim A versus B

[caprimk1v4]

The BORES on that Transit Pinto are well oval, bet it burns a lot of oil !!??.

 

 

OK Ok, I will go to the NAUGHTY CORNER, and suck my thumb.

 

Sorry, could not resist it. xx

[eeb43]

3 minutes ago, caprimk1v4 said:

The BORES on that Transit Pinto are well oval, bet it burns a lot of oil !!??.

 

 

OK Ok, I will go to the NAUGHTY CORNER, and suck my thumb.

 

Sorry, could not resist it. xx

thats ok as pistons are oval so hopefully will be the right shape overall!!!!!!!!!!

[caprimk1v4]

Your in the NAUGHTY CORNER with me. !! Ha-Ha.

[preacherman]

So today had another look. When I start the car the starter engages ...engine turns ...start disengaged too quickly. Got it started and did 116mph on the heads of valley. A white van was right up my arse though cocky fairy.

[DT36]

16 minutes ago, preacherman said:

So today had another look. When I start the car the starter engages ...engine turns ...start disengaged too quickly. Got it started and did 116mph on the heads of valley. A white van was right up my arse though cocky fairy.

Have you tried Engineers Blue on the teeth to see how much the teeth are engaging?

Might be worth a go. 

[preacherman]

Starter engages for a few seconds and disengages after 2 seconds. Car will not start as starter will not engage for long enough to start.

Took if off  cleaned it up and filed off some casting flash. Starter engages better but not harsh like it previously was.

The ring gear on flywheel has some wear but I see worse

 Since I cameback from rolling road it will not start . Is it possible the ignition timing is too retarded.

[caprimk1v4]

Very strange !!??, I thought that the starter engaged and ran until you let go of the key !!??, so why this starter is running/engaging, but decides to disengage is a mystery, have you tried a non High Torque starter, a bog standard non geared version that would have been fitted from the factory.

The motor side is still turning, but the engage solenoid is taking the pinion back, so perhaps there is a fault in that side of things. 

[preacherman]

There is a relay in the wiring. Wonder if that is playing up. It's a ford one screwed to the passenger side strut area.

[caprimk1v4]

There should be a relay if the car had spot lamps from the factory, but that was on top of the strut near the suspension top mount, and there was also a relay on the lower section of inner wingon passenger side, inline with the strut, if the car was an Automatic, as that would be for the start inhibit so it only starts in "Neutral or Park". !!??.

[preacherman]

The car was an xflow auto converted to pinto type9.

[caprimk1v4]

I would guess the relay is working as it should be, as someone must have linked out the wires at the starter inhibit switch that was mounted on the Ford C3 auto box that would have been in the car originally, as if that switch had not been linked out, then nothing at all would happen when you operate the starter from the ignition key, out of interest though, what happens if you pull the plug off the relay on the inner wing !!??, does the car still try to start or does nothing at all happen then !!??.

[preacherman]

It will start tomorrow. I have a good idea what it is now. It's not starter motor related,looking in the wrong area. Although the starter has been playing up.

Gonna flog the arse off it tomorrow.  

[preacherman]

Took plugs out ...turns over nicely. Put plugs back in and same problem. Starter spins 2 seconds.

Renewed and cleaned connections,fitted 1.4kw starter and it flies over with plugs in.

Bastard won't start now.

12v at coil

Coil is 1.8 ohms cold

New plugs

Timing spot on.

Leads in correct order.

Last week I moved the bestek coil to a much  better position.maybe I disturbed something.

It's disturbing me now, in fact a night on the Steve McQueens is needed (whisky + ice + ginger beer)

 

 

[katana]

4 minutes ago, preacherman said:

Last week I moved the bestek coil to a much  better position.maybe I disturbed something.

Me thinks this isn't a coincidence !

[DT36]

5 hours ago, preacherman said:

Took plugs out ...turns over nicely. Put plugs back in and same problem. Starter spins 2 seconds.

Renewed and cleaned connections,fitted 1.4kw starter and it flies over with plugs in.

Bastard won't start now.

12v at coil

Coil is 1.8 ohms cold

New plugs

Timing spot on.

Leads in correct order.

Last week I moved the bestek coil to a much  better position.maybe I disturbed something.

It's disturbing me now, in fact a night on the Steve McQueens is needed (whisky + ice + ginger beer)

 

 

Pull number 1 plug lead off. Stick a spare plug in it and earth the hex/metal part of the plug somewhere on the block. Crank the engine and look for a spark at the plug tip. 

[preacherman]

Looking back through some old photos of the bestek set up . it looks as though I have put a lead in wrong side of coil. It will start tomorrow.

[Huge]

8 hours ago, preacherman said:

It will start tomorrow.

I’m hoping for you that today is your tomorrow 👍🤔

[preacherman]

It started. School boy error. In the week I repositioned the coil and rotated it 180 degrees. One lead was on a wrong terminal. It starts now and stater engagement is better

[DT36]

👍

I reckon the neighbours love you up there. 😁