after reading retro ford

[72mk1escort]

That new retro ford mag is quality

[BIG G]

And why has no one yet mentioned that all new super performance engine.............THE DURATORQUE............. thats turbo'd and reliable good on fuel and modern so why not use it

[Guest MK1gaz]

 

That could just be a Duratec there .... dry sumped ,,, TBs and ECU .. needed a tunnel for the box ... yep and one off chassis mounts instead of the mounts that fit to the escort x-members that you can buy for the Duratec .. oh and it aint running, Can you by an exhaust that fits one of those in an escort like you can fro the Duratec of Tony Law ?

 

On Paper they look a good engine ... but then so do loads of others

Exactly my point , your learning at last !!!!!!!! Alot of engines make good "peak" bhp numbers but can't escape the clutches of the snorting oldskool power in a race off the lights . Why bother fitting a duratec when you can fit a proper Honda S2000 engine with more power + relabilty for the same amount of grief . A 240bhp duratec engine will cost much more than an S2000's 240 bhp and don't forget the honda motor makes it's numbers with emissions frendly cat equipt exhaust , standard inlet system , etc , etc !!!!!!! Once you rip all that crap off then expect a power hike as even a duratec goes from 140 bhp to 170-180 bhp once the standard ford bits bolted to it are skipped . Tony Law will make a manifold for about £400 to fit a honda into an escort and you can expect others to follow suit as this a standard modern engine conversion that's actually worth doing .

[emu]

What about peugeot MI16 ?

[Guest MK1gaz]

What about peugeot MI16 ?

Not that great , no better than most of the normal 170 bhp brigade but weedy like a duratec as standard

[Posse]

what about a pinto tho

[GT_Jim]

What about peugeot MI16 ?

 

well yea they have good power through the rang and the vts citroen unit is the same and standard is 160-170 brake but i havent seen any rwd only fwd in pugs etc

[emu]

Nissan turbo? Either the 1.8 out of the S13 200sx or the 2.0 out of the S14. Already RWD so box is easy.

[Guest MK1gaz]

what about a pinto tho

Now that's a PROPER piece of oldskool power . Fits straight in , makes a big fat torquey slab of bhp , proven real world performance and STILL powering the fastest N.A. 4 pot escorts in the U.K. . GO ON THE PINTOS !!!!!!!!!

[tim]

but it would b borring if every escort in the uk had a pinto.

xflow,xe,zetec,duratec,4age,pinot,wankle,volvo 5 pot etc

 

 

its got to see somthing different being done,all that matter is along as the car is bolted in2 is an osf

[Tom]

no tim, if gaz says so, you're wrong ok

[GT_Jim]

wooo i can do as i like as i dont own an escort

[emu]

but it would b borring if every escort in the uk had a pinto.

xflow,xe,zetec,duratec,4age,pinot,wankle,volvo 5 pot etc

 

 

its got to see somthing different being done,all that matter is along as the car is bolted in2 is an osf

 

You havent been paying attention have you Tim!?

 

pinto, Pinto, PINTO!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mk 1 Mark]

Mark, next time you passing the "grumpy old men" ask them about Steves B's engine... you know me in one ear and out the other when it comes to oily bits

 

Saying that i may pop down there next Monday ... what time you about.. i''l bring the biccys you bring the milk

 

Wont Be here,Will be in Germany(Nurburgring) With Andy from Track and road. . .

So you tell the grumpy old man that i will be having fun...

 

And im sure he has a video of SB engine being rollered...

[ilovegrannys]

still sticking to the CF for now.

[Retromotorsport]

Exactly my point , your learning at last !!!!!!!! Alot of engines make good "peak" bhp numbers but can't escape the clutches of the snorting oldskool power in a race off the lights . Why bother fitting a duratec when you can fit a proper Honda S2000 engine with more power + relabilty for the same amount of grief . A 240bhp duratec engine will cost much more than an S2000's 240 bhp and don't forget the honda motor makes it's numbers with emissions frendly cat equipt exhaust , standard inlet system , etc , etc !!!!!!! Once you rip all that crap off then expect a power hike as even a duratec goes from 140 bhp to 170-180 bhp once the standard ford bits bolted to it are skipped . Tony Law will make a manifold for about £400 to fit a honda into an escort and you can expect others to follow suit as this a standard modern engine conversion that's actually worth doing .

 

Gaz the thing is in the real world I happen to know someone who was , yes was, fitting up one of those S2000 engines , had it almost installed in the car less the wires and then started looking at power tuning ... it hurt.

 

The engine is allready , for want of a better word , raced up. Its allready at its useable peak . yes there was a few more gains to be had from them but getting 300bhp was going to be along the lines of Touring car engines Prices ... and no one wants to go there.

 

He belived the the hype about them, but while he was fitting it all up he was looking at other engines, he kept hearing the same old saying .." its the bollox of an engine but its peaked, take a look at such and such engine instead "

 

So he looked around and chose another engine to fit in the hole he had...

 

Like i keep saying , this thread is about alternitives .... not one man and his narrow views.

 

And yes that S2000 Caterfield was beaten down the 1/4 by a Duratec caterfield.. its good but not as good as the Duratec if we use your performance measure of the dragstrip.

 

And to throw in another engine thats often overlooked

 

http://www.hellierperformance.com/37416/34801.html

[4parajon]

Ive got to say If everybody used the same engines in all OSF's then it would be very boring, its good to see different ideas and how people tackle them. I'm not a bike engine fan in cars but I cant wait to see more of Morleys anglebox adventures, good luck to him and anybody else that does'nt want to use the pinto/xflow/yb etc.

[LUKE261]

i quite fancy looking at a honda vtec type r powererd 105e or 100e as my next project, proper screamer

 

but a cheap modern engine conversion would be a nissan 200sx s13 engine turbo, just a 4 cylinder skyline engine really, pick whole car up for 300 quid!

[Gareth]

i quite fancy looking at a honda vtec type r powererd 105e or 100e as my next project, proper screamer

 

but a cheap modern engine conversion would be a nissan 200sx s13 engine turbo, just a 4 cylinder skyline engine really, pick whole car up for 300 quid!

 

There's nothin quite like budget power

[Mk 1 Mark]

Right went to Track and Road about having my Cortina set up soon

Whilst there he showed me the power run and print out of SBD 2ltr not 2.5

And it made

282.9 BHP

191.8 Lb ft And revs to 9500 rpm

As Gary has said new engine £1000

£6000 From SBD inc ECU Throttle bodies ect

 

It did sound Awesome....But each to there own

[Morley]

Cor blimey... That's gonna be induction noise heaven!!!

[Retromotorsport]

Right went to Track and Road about having my Cortina set up soon

Whilst there he showed me the power run and print out of SBD 2ltr not 2.5

And it made

282.9 BHP

191.8 Lb ft And revs to 9500 rpm

As Gary has said new engine £1000

£6000 From SBD inc ECU Throttle bodies ect

 

It did sound Awesome....But each to there own

 

Cheers for that Mark, told i never listen when people talk engines

 

should be interesting when gaz gets home

 

The joys of modern engine Torque .... 95.9 Ft/lb per Litre... thats touring car engines torques

 

To put it in some sort of perspective ... the torquey V6 essex only has 50ft/lb per litre

 

The best 2L pintos i've seen are around 85-90 ft/lb

and X-flows are around the 75-80 mark

[Guest MK1gaz]

How can an Honda S2000 engines 240 bhp AS STANDARD be "hype" . They've made thousands of them haven't they ? A duratec is only better when you've spent a fortune tuning it , so no point in fitting one unless you've got big money to spend !!!!!!! If you want a standard reliable modern engine install then it's honda power all the way so best leave the duratecs in the shoppers for the mums to drive !!!!!!! . The S.B.D. duratec package is very impressive and a shame it's not in an escort for everyone to race this summer as "peak" bhp numbers count for nothing against the clock . I'll get a price for one this week when i go up there so i'll report back and see if it's really £6000 or hype

[Retromotorsport]

Gaz the hype was the 240 .... but then the competition are hitting 300's so the extra 60bhp was gonna cost .

 

As for the SBD duratec .. i notice you've ignored what is the real power and said nothing about the torque, well you sorta said it when you said " peak BHP " .... but you shy'ed away from acctually say that the Torque figure for that engine is amazing.

 

Yet again.. you ignore what dosnt fit in with your way

[Mk 1 Mark]

How can an Honda S2000 engines 240 bhp AS STANDARD be "hype" . They've made thousands of them haven't they ? A duratec is only better when you've spent a fortune tuning it , so no point in fitting one unless you've got big money to spend !!!!!!! If you want a standard reliable modern engine install then it's honda power all the way so best leave the duratecs in the shoppers for the mums to drive !!!!!!! . The S.B.D. duratec package is very impressive and a shame it's not in an escort for everyone to race this summer as "peak" bhp numbers count for nothing against the clock . I'll get a price for one this week when i go up there so i'll report back and see if it's really £6000 or hype

 

Gaz im with you on most things mate,But i have seen and heard the engine and the power curve is unreal. .

Sounds the nuts..£6000 was the kit some one has to build you engine map it ect,

But mountune charge the best part of 20k....afor a similar spec engine of the shelf so to speak and there engines are not as good,Figures and power curve wise

Power was everywhere Steve said!!

You can pay some one 2k and have the thing suppiled built installed for less than 10k easy....

 

 

Back to the Thread thou Twinkle...YB turbo mate go for it