Pinto

[tom28]

hi all,

 

Been thinking on weather to get a pinto or a xflow engine for my mk2 escort, its currently standard 1300L(4dr).

 

ive never changed an engine in one of these but me dad has but im just wondering what the best option is weather to go pinto or xflow and where's the best place to purchase one from..

is it difficult changing the engine over and what needs to be brought/ changed over to make it all come together..

 

ive found this pinto on ebay that im tempted to buy.. take a look and tell me your tips, advice and thoughts on the whole idea..

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PINTO-2-0-LITRE-2 ... dZViewItem

 

 

thanks

[antz]

personally im more a a xflow lover.

[lee_capri]

dont mean to put you off but you should go to project's and fine one that is being done it's not has simple has one think's ,im very good with spanner's and i sold mine on due to the amount of work involved in putting a pinto in a escort,

 

it's not just drop the pinto in job done,looking back wish i had gone 1750 crossflow with all the bit's to go with

 

just looked at engeine you will need a rs sump and engine mount's for starter's dont no what other's think

[Vista]

An uprated or larger displacement X-flow is a much easier swap than a pinto into an escort that wasn't previously equipped with one. It's also cheaper to install as you don't have to change many of the originally installed components.

 

I guess it depends what your budget is and what you want from the car, there are second hand examples of both engines available that have already undergone significant tuning work. The X-flow is a lighter engine (though not by nearly as much as popular rumour would have you believe) and will be easier to install, but the pinto in most cases will give you more bang for your bucks and as an engine has more low down grunt.

[tom28]

thanks for advice people, now im stuck deciding lol when I have the money ill purchase one but it's just getting advice from people on here, thats what will make me decide at the end of the day thanks agen

[lee_capri]

i no if i was takeing on a escort again vista id go crossflow lot more simple to fit

[tom28]

aint pinto's more reliable? also do I have to cut about to fit a pinto engine in?..

[Fiesta Steve]

aint pinto's more reliable?

 

I don't think so , but thats just my oipinion.

[oliwally]

aint pinto's more reliable? also do I have to cut about to fit a pinto engine in?..

Think there's a little bit of cutting.

Rad panel and bulkhead lips need trimming.

Both repsoned well to tuning and the xflow is easier route.

But they both cost the same to get to a certain HP.

also a 160bhp xflow will be out paced against a 160bhp pinto.

the trick to getting high power from a xflow is to have the maas style

exhaust manifold and some nice weber 45's hanging off the other side.

xflows love long duration cams and thats a bit much for everyday use.

A3 is as far as you can go with a xflow,HT1/WR40/GTS2 are much more racy cam and they will work ok on a pinto road car.

[Fiesta Steve]

also a 160bhp xflow will be out paced against a 160bhp pinto.

 

The race I'd like to see, my money would be on the x-flow

[oliwally]

also a 160bhp xflow will be out paced against a 160bhp pinto.

 

The race I'd like to see, my money would be on the x-flow

 

So would I,the pinto has lots of torque,while the xflow makes its power from the revs.

I'd say the pinto would be much better off the line and out the corner,end of the straight the xflow would have made up the difference.

well thats what I recon would happen anyway

[glenbo]

if you fit the pinto try and get a 2.0l injection engine,they have the bigger valves and the stronger 205 block.you will need rs2000 alloy sump,engine mounts and lowering blocks for the gearbox.the only cutting needed which i found was the rad panal to fit a mk2 rs2000 rad

[emu]

Smack the steel sump with a hammer,and fold up the rear lip of the crossmember.

 

Mount the radiator at an angle so you only need to cut out the top panelling.

 

The alternator will fit without having the RS bracket, you might need to put a shorter belt on it though to make sure it clears the servo.

 

With the help of a couple of mates we had it done in a weekend

 

I think twinkle got his pinto in his silver 4 door with a steel sump too

[tom28]

elo all, just brought that pinto off ebay wont be putting it in till its tuned up, paid £211 for it which aint too bad..

[Twinkle]

Smack the steel sump with a hammer,and fold up the rear lip of the crossmember.

 

Mount the radiator at an angle so you only need to cut out the top panelling.

 

The alternator will fit without having the RS bracket, you might need to put a shorter belt on it though to make sure it clears the servo.

 

With the help of a couple of mates we had it done in a weekend

 

I think twinkle got his pinto in his silver 4 door with a steel sump too

 

no cutting at all on my four door mk2! no bashing anything with hammers to the tunnel at all

the secret to the steel sump not fitting is a simple one! we make the steel rs style engine mounts 10mm longer! this gives enough clearance to run the steel sump with no mods. mine is hooked up to a 4 speed gt box using from memory a 1600 pinto flywheel with a xflow clutch and a standard xflow prop!

nice simple easy conversion bud

if you want to use a 4 speed rs box you may need to releive the tunnel slightly for a little more room and you will have to cut out the gearlever hole and move it back a little.

only other mods is extending some of the wiring in the engine bay, electric fan is also a good idea and mount the rad at an angle to save cutting the front x member.

[jamesmk1]

go on the pinto powered 4 doors

[X-pack-Glyn]

Crossflows too clankey for my liking, and when they blow up they go even more clankey.

 

now a pinto does have anherrent rattle that never goes away, but its not clankey like a crossflow and thay rarely throw rods.

 

so....to sum up....

 

crossflow,,, wankey clankey low power engine, untill it goes bang, then really really clankey and big bill

 

pinto slight rattle for a long time, more power, no go wrong and sound nice but with slight rattle.

[tom28]

thanks for all the info people, helps alot

 

anythink i can buy to get more bhp from it before i put it in?..

 

 

thanks all

[tom28]

anyone know where i can buy a aluminium RS2000 sump ?

 

 

thanks

[Vista]

they come up on ebay regularly, expect to pay anything from £100 to £150 but don't buy one without a pickup pipe as they aren't the same as the standard one.

 

Though come to think of it I'm sure someone posted up on here that someone is reproducing the pick up pipes

 

Also, do get a used ally sump crack tested before you fit it as they're quite vulnerable and some have been hard used. It's hard to fix if it's already in the car