right then mk1 gaz.....................

[Guest MK1gaz]

gaz, if the race only lasts 10 seconds and i only put 20 seconds worth of petrol in it (theoretically) then this would have the same effect surely?

No it won't , nitrous gives "extra" power on top of your petrol . Therefore a car with just petrol will make the same power with 20 seconds of it or 2 hours worth of it

[Vista]

Also a gas turbine isn't an internal combustion engine is it ?

 

A gas turbine isn't an internal combustion engine?

 

Sucks air in, squeezes it, ignites it and blows it out the back, yup sounds like an internal combustion engine to me.

 

The internal combustion engine is an engine in which the combustion of fuel and an oxidizer (typically air) occurs in a confined space called a combustion chamber. This exothermic reaction creates gases at high temperature and pressure, which are permitted to expand. The defining feature of an internal combustion engine is that useful work is performed by the expanding hot gases acting directly to cause movement of solid parts of the engine, by acting on pistons, rotors, or even by pressing on and moving the entire engine itself.

 

Now if you knew much about engineering you might have said they're not spark ignition engines but they most definitely are internal combustion engines.

 

As far as I can tell from all the arguments you've made against every car that's been suggested for you to compete against, you're defining a class that only your car qualifies for, ergo you win by default. It's a bit like the American World series baseball in my opinion, not much point when you're the only one playing

[Guest MK1gaz]

I'm not arguing though vista i'm just answering questions . Gas turbines ain't proper combustion engines , turn up at a motorsport event with one and you'll get chucked out or sent off to play with the other gas turbine cars that have turned up to race (none then )

[Vista]

I'm not arguing though vista i'm just answering questions . Gas turbines ain't proper combustion engines , turn up at a motorsport event with one and you'll get chucked out or sent off to play with the other gas turbine cars that have turned up to race (none then )

 

Who said anything about turning up to race them? You stated that they weren't proper combustion engines (twice now) whilst I am pointing out your error as clearly you're wrong and they are.

[Guest MK1gaz]

As far as I can tell from all the arguments you've made against every car that's been suggested for you to compete against, you're defining a class that only your car qualifies for, ergo you win by default. It's a bit like the American World series baseball in my opinion, not much point when you're the only one playing

No , i'm saying that a car with a non-mechanical power adder will be put into a different class at a proper motorsport event (which it will) . At any motorsport event the cars are raced in classes so that the racers race against vehicles that have a similar power plant to their own . So turbos race turbos , V8's race V8's , jets race jets etc etc . So for example if i raced mine i would race against other 2 litre , N.A. 4 cylinder , rear wheel drive , road legal cars without gas or jet engines . Simple really and that's why i don't take any notice or try and catch 4 second 1/4 mile V8 funny cars with lift off bodies and methanol for fuel

[FlashCadillac]

As far as I can tell from all the arguments you've made against every car that's been suggested for you to compete against, you're defining a class that only your car qualifies for, ergo you win by default. It's a bit like the American World series baseball in my opinion, not much point when you're the only one playing

No , i'm saying that a car with a non-mechanical power adder will be put into a different class at a proper motorsport event (which it will) . At any motorsport event the cars are raced in classes so that the racers race against vehicles that have a similar power plant to their own . So turbos race turbos , V8's race V8's , jets race jets etc etc . So for example if i raced mine i would race against other 2 litre , N.A. 4 cylinder , rear wheel drive , road legal cars without gas or jet engines . Simple really and that's why i don't take any notice or try and catch 4 second 1/4 mile V8 funny cars with lift off bodies and methanol for fuel

 

 

I know what your saying Gaz, cars have different classes, so nitrous isnt cheating! if it has its own class or is permitted in a class how is it cheating. I know what your saying about it not being a proper form of tuning but its not like you can just throw any ammount of gas through an engine without thinking about it.... there is some tuning requred to set it up

[Guest MK1gaz]

Yes but it's not a proper mechanical tuning part still , it's a "magic spray" . All nitrous cars can race against other nitrous cars in their own class though , this is ok . I think nitrous is banned in most forms of competitive motorsport though

[capriaddict]

Don't know what your all arguing about its only a STARTER motor after all

[Posse]

Don't know what your all arguing about its only a STARTER motor after all

 

 

lol if it does'nt comply to gaz's made up rules hes got then there is going to be an argument

[Guest MK1gaz]

I'm confused by the "starter motor" bit . We're not arguing either (we're just talking in text) . Also the rules about gas + jets aren't mine , they are normal motorsport rules

[zetecmk2]

gaz is therapy!!

[capriaddict]

I'm confused by the "starter motor" bit . We're not arguing either (we're just talking in text) . Also the rules about gas + jets aren't mine , they are normal motorsport rules

 

Go back to the start of this thread, that gas turbine motor that was advertised is usually only used as a starter for much bigger jets/gas turbine engines

[Guest MK1gaz]

[zetecmk2]

i want an f4!!!

[MK2Ed]

I don't want jets on my car anyway... If I was into jets I'd go plane spotting at Heathrow... Also I'm not interested in history reviews on this jet car that and that jet car done this I know about them already... Give me a good old internal combustion unit for a car (gas or no gas) and I'm as happy as a head soaked in petrol...

[Retromotorsport]

At any motorsport event the cars are raced in classes so that the racers race against vehicles that have a similar power plant to their own . So turbos race turbos , V8's race V8's

 

errrrmmm no they dont ...

 

a FWD focus turbo (t5)races a 4WD Escort Cossie(t4), A YB powered Thundersaloom Rs500(t4), Seat leon cup cars(na4) a Merc 190E (na4), a spacefeamed v8 Merc(na8) .. a V8 Vauxhall Belmont Thunderloon(na8). and a bog standard 3dr(t4) with the only mod being 8 injectors .. ooh ooh look 8 injectors .. thats spraying more power in ..thats why its in Class A not B

(turbo/na and cylinders) Thats Class A ..

 

In Class D any engine as long as its NA and under 2000cc with 8 valves and only injector /cylinder .. it can be a straight 6.. a v8 or even a v4

 

Racing classes are defined by capacity and body modifications .. 1600cc-2000cc- 2500cc- forced induction engine are subject to a mulitplier (1.4 or 1.7 ) you then have the body mods .. standard cars or modified cars .. a 2000cc standard car may be in class D but a 4 linked may be moved up to class C ..

[Guest MK1gaz]

Your talking about a certain circuit racing class structure , different racing events have different class structures to that . As we're talking about cars with nitrous or jet engines , what racing class would they be put into then ? You can use your circuit race series as a guide if you like ?

[Guest MK1gaz]

ooh ooh look 8 injectors .. thats spraying more power in

8 injectors is ok as they're only spraying PETROL into the engine , this is the same petrol as the other 4 injectors are using and the SAME PETROL that's in the cars fuel tank .

[Retromotorsport]

As a broad discription any championship outside Dragracing has the classes by CC size ..as above ..

 

It was you that stated

At any motorsport event the cars are raced in classes so that the racers race against vehicles that have a similar power plant to their own . So turbos race turbos , V8's race V8's

 

which is infact bullshit ..

 

a 2000cc V8 would be in the same class as a 2000cc inline 4 or v4

 

 

 

 

As we're talking about cars with nitrous or jet engines , what racing class would they be put into then ?

 

I've allready said that Nos is only allowed in dragracing .. its banned from most other forms of 4 wheeled motosport .. and in dragracing it is allowed in most classes.. and i think i stated that as we are talking about RWYB which has no rule stating that NOS is banned then its legal ..ie not cheating .. if someone wants to spend a couple of hundred quid spanking your arse in a drag race with your 10K engine (new (as in bought new) engine plus instal) then you can either get nos yourself or accept that you have been beaten within the rules as .... thats until you can find a snactioned event that your running in where nos is banned ..

 

sorry gaz.. but this time your wrong .. it totally legal to use Noz in a RWYB .. yes or no.. simple answer..

 

we all know the answer is YES ITS ALLOWED ..

 

Then again as your car in its present spec hasnt run yet on a timed 1/4 mile you have no time. so anyone who has run thier car in its current spec has beaten you allready ..with or without gas ..

 

And i still say NOS is a fuel .. its boost power like octane boster does ..or a cold air feed does , or an expensive YB.

 

Like i've said countless times before Gaz.. weigh your car .. then post your times and weight up ..

 

Some of those stripped out cars may not be as light as you think and yours may not be as heavy as you think ..

 

roll on the results of your run, I among many will be waiting to pat you on the back for a job well done at the CF show when you hit the low 13's .. and please let there be a possibly a high 12...

[Guest MK1gaz]

So Nitrous + jet engines aren't allowed in motorsport events then ? You can use them in drag racing if you like but then you can even race a lawn mower up a drag strip if you like as well !!!!!!!! . The only reason mines not been up the drag strip yet is because it was in pieces last year (building the car) . I'll give you a demo this sunday though if your at the Pod . Hoping to beat the 13.6 sec record set by a fully road legal at the time of the run , N.A. 4 cylinder , full weight , oldskoolford without gas or jet engines

[PIG]

gas at the end of the day is a 10/11 sec squirt surely,pointless in a race of anykind any where other than 1/4.so im my eyes and it is only my opinon.not a real refection on a car/bikes genuine power

[Retromotorsport]

gas at the end of the day is a 10/11 sec squirt surely,pointless in a race of anykind any where other than 1/4.so im my eyes and it is only my opinon.not a real refection on a car/bikes genuine power

 

Agree with you , its not a reflection of a road cars power, but dedicated drag cars have their engines set up with Nos .. as they only run with Nos

 

On the Old 440 Mk1 we had a 250 shot coming in stages .. think its was 10 stages from memory.

 

But its still legal at the dragstrip

[Guest MK1gaz]

So NOS is banned in all racing/motorsport events except certain drag racing events . Why's that do you think ? Do you think it's because it's not a proper engine tuning method then ?

[FlashCadillac]

hows about this then

 

 

WHY DOES IT MATTER????????? PEOPLE USE IT AT THE STRIP!!!

 

if you lose to someone useing nitrous gaz... youv'e lost, nobody is going to listen you anyone who claims its unfair as they were beaten by someone useing nitrous

 

if you win you win

[Guest MK1gaz]

If and when a 4 cylinder N.A. , full weight oldskoolford that can pass an mot at the time of it's run with nitrous beats mine i'll just think "Can they keep in front once their magic spray runs out " . Probably not is the answer but if they still can then fair play to them and i'll be impressed