right then mk1 gaz.....................

[Retromotorsport]

And as you open your throttles more fuel is added ...

 

so its the same shit different toilet ..they are both fuels added to an engine

 

As for Motorsport ... its banned in all classes of racing except Drag racing ... yes Drag racing ALLOWS it ..so its not cheating on the 1/4 ...

 

QED

[Retromotorsport]

or we could say your Optimax has an ADDITIVE added to YOUR NORMAL FUEL... tut tut ban the Optimax as its cheating

 

 

'ere Gaz.. its been ages since we had an banter up

[hotrodholty]

or we could say your Optimax has an ADDITIVE added to YOUR NORMAL FUEL... tut tut ban the Optimax as its cheating

 

 

'ere Gaz.. its been ages since we had an banter up

to be honest thats why i started the thread, it was gettin a bit borin in here and no-one gets peoples back up more than gaz. i just light the torch paper and watch the shit hit the fan

[Vista]

NITROUS OR JET ENGINES AREN'T PART OF YOUR ENGINE OR MECHANICALLY JOINED TO YOUR ENGINE , THEY ARE A FOOOOOOOOKING BOLT ON POWER ADDER . So if you had an 1100cc mk1 escort with a 50 bhp nos kit and a jet engine from concord on the roof and then run a 7 sec 1/4 mile at 300 mph have you then got the worlds fastest 1100 then ? The answer is "yes" but you foooooking cheated !!!!!!!!

 

A NA YB isn't part of a mk1 Escort, it's a bolt in power adder! Who defines what owners are allowed to modify with and what they aren't? A rotary RX8 engine isn't a traditional internal combustion engine is that to be banned?

 

For instance You chose to remove your pinto and replace it with a YB, giving you a little over 200bhp a power to weight ratio of say 200bhp per ton (for arguments sake and to keep the numbers simple)

 

If I choose to remove my Pinto and replace it with a Pratt and Whitney ST40M gas turbine (this will give me over 5500 horsepower) where's the rule that says I can't? Bear in mind this is a turbo prop gas turbine engine designed for outputing mechanical power down a shaft, all gas turbines are not jet engines at all. Now the core engine weighs some 500kg probably another 50kg for the ancilliaries and 1000 kg for the car less 120kg for the pinto giving a final weight of 1430Kg, a power to weight ratio of 3846bhp per ton. I'll see you at the lights / drag strip and I don't care whether you think I'm cheating or not, I'll still leave you for dead and there won't be nothing you can say that'll change that.

 

As for jet engines/gas turbines not being traditional, says who? Combustion engines have been around for about 110 years, The first gas turbine to successfully run self-sustaining was built in 1903! By and large jets/gas turbines have been at the forefront of speed for 60 years or so. They've powered the fastest machines on land sea and air for the past 50 or 60 years. Was Chuck Yaeger cheating when he broke the sound barrier? Was Donald Campbell cheating when he died attempting to break the water speed record in Bluebird? How about Andy Green in Thrust SSC? Destriero currently holds the record for the fastest transatlantic crossing, powered by? You guessed it, 3 x General Electric LM1600 gas turbines.

 

So I'd say, traditionally the fastest machines in the world on land sea and air are all powered by jets or gas turbines.

[Guest MK1gaz]

Well putting a jet engine or nitrous IS NOT the same as putting super unleaded in your petrol tank is it ? Your engine NEEDS PETROL to work but IT DOESN'T need nitrous or a jet engine to work does it ? You can fit whatever engine you like as an engine is an engine BUT as soon as you stick nitrous/jet engines on it then you move into a different category in all forms of motorsport including drag racing . If you turn up with gas or a jet engine in your boot then you'll be in a different class of motorsport compared to a car with just a 1500cc 4 cylinder pre-x-flow for power won't you ? I'm not saying anything about banning anything , i'm just pointing out that non mechanical power adders (so something that the engine is not dependant on to run but gives extra power) will put you in a different league all together . Just imagine if an F1 car turned up at a grand prix on sunday with a 200bhp direct port NOS kit slapped on it !!!!!!!! It's nice to hear peoples points of view but your all wrong !!!!!!!!

[Guest MK1gaz]

And as you open your throttles more fuel is added ...

 

so its the same shit different toilet ..they are both fuels added to an engine

Nitrous isn't fuel for your engine though is it ? It's EXTRA power that your engine doesn't make normally , this is classed as bending the rules of racing . That's why all nitrous equipt cars get foooooked off into their own race class

[tazrocks88]

so if you replaced an engine with a turbine does that mean its not cheating cos its the only sorce of power not a bolt on?

[Guest MK1gaz]

so if you replaced an engine with a turbine does that mean its not cheating cos its the only sorce of power not a bolt on?

You would simply go and race the other jets in the jet class . Failing that you could bolt some wings on it and go play down at Heathrow with the other jets

[Guest MK1gaz]

to be honest thats why i started the thread, it was gettin a bit borin in here and no-one gets peoples back up more than gaz. i just light the torch paper and watch the shit hit the fan

Well it's ok starting a thread asking me questions about things but some people don't like it and moan to the forum police about it so be warned . They only like talking about wheels and polish so i'd never mention the nitrous word again if i were you

[mk1super]

Let each person get to there destination by whatever means they choose, be that by foot or with a jet engine up there arse

 

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[Chris!]

you gaz are a funny man

[72mk1escort]

you gaz are a funny man

 

 

[hotrodholty]

to be honest thats why i started the thread, it was gettin a bit borin in here and no-one gets peoples back up more than gaz. i just light the torch paper and watch the shit hit the fan

Well it's ok starting a thread asking me questions about things but some people don't like it and moan to the forum police about it so be warned . They only like talking about wheels and polish so i'd never mention the nitrous word again if i were you

just checkin you aint gone soft on us mate .

been a while since we had a bit of banta

[Retromotorsport]

Your engine NEEDS PETROL to work but IT DOESN'T need nitrous or a jet engine to work does it ?

 

Your engine dosnt need a 16valve head ..its was designed with an 8 valve head ... so you have bolted power on .

 

It also was designed with mild cams, a cast and uncleaned head, smaller valves , a 32/36 webber etc etc ... people in glass houses shouldnt say things like "bolt on power" .. or they may have to put the standard mechanical pump back on instead of that bolt on power in the boot ..ie the electrical pump

 

 

 

Nitrous isn't fuel for your engine though is it ?

 

so what is it then ... ink for my pen ... paint for my brush .. a nail for my hammer .. nope pretty damm sure its a fuel ... as for the engine not needing it to run .. hmmm add a 250shot of nos and petrol to match .. take nos away .. ooh teh engine runs so rich it hardly works at all .. so yes it does need Nos to run ..

 

That's why all nitrous equipt cars get foooooked off into their own race class

 

Not at any drag race i've been to... but then I havnt been to Gazicstan

[Guest MK1gaz]

Your engine dosnt need a 16valve head ..its was designed with an 8 valve head ... so you have bolted power on .

Your learning fast , yes i have bolt on mechanical power . My engine has been tuned with 100% MECHANICAL parts only , it has no "magic spray" that increases power . If i raced it in an official motorsport event then it wouldn't be disqualified or pushed into another class would it ? They would allow my mods because it's a normal petrol engine that has no gas or jet engines to help it's performance

[FlashCadillac]

superchargers are mechanical??? are they cheating???

 

 

 

only has the same effect of putting more air in your cylinder as does a lumpy cam

[Guest MK1gaz]

Nitrous isn't fuel for your engine though is it ?

 

so what is it then ... ink for my pen ... paint for my brush .. a nail for my hammer .. nope pretty damm sure its a fuel ... as for the engine not needing it to run .. hmmm add a 250shot of nos and petrol to match .. take nos away .. ooh teh engine runs so rich it hardly works at all .. so yes it does need Nos to run ..

nitrous and the extra fuel it needs is sprayed into an engine ON TOP of the original fueling requirements , this situation exists until the gas runs out . When the gas runs out you are back to square 1 = as slow as you were before you fitted it . Nitrous is brilliant at boosting performance , that's why if you use it you get banned/put into another class at racing events

[Guest MK1gaz]

superchargers are mechanical??? are they cheating???

 

 

 

only has the same effect of putting more air in your cylinder as does a lumpy cam

Nothing wrong with superchargers as they give the engine the same perfomance gain as gas BUT are mechanical and don't run out of BHP after 30 seconds . You'll still get stuck into another class at a motorsport event though

[Vista]

Does horseshit count as a banned engine performance enhancing additive?

[Burns]

gaz, if the race only lasts 10 seconds and i only put 20 seconds worth of petrol in it (theoretically) then this would have the same effect surely?

[Chris!]

yeah you could have an hours worth of gas if you wanted to(possibly lol)

[mk2dk]

In my world Noz is considered a cheap way of making high BHP, 30 sec at the time. Its not real tuning and you won`t see it on either rally or racecars. Thumps up Gaz...

[zetecmk2]

so where does a ram jet fit into this? oh, no shafts to drive a mechanical gearbox, sorry! but a carb is not a mechanical means of adding fuel to your engine. it works on diffrent air pressures to suck the fuel in. it wont work without a variation in pressure. much like a mk1gaz turbine wouldnt work without a variation in pressure! so if carbs are not cheating because of operating principle, then neither are gas turbines!!

[Guest MK1gaz]

A carb is a mechanical part of your engine , without it the engine won't work will it ? Also a gas turbine isn't an internal combustion engine is it ? Fit one into a car and go racing at a race meet and you'll be disqualified or bumped into another class with all the other gas turbined powered motors

[Guest MK1gaz]

In my world Noz is considered a cheap way of making high BHP, 30 sec at the time. Its not real tuning and you won`t see it on either rally or racecars. Thumps up Gaz...

At last , a man with a some sense