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Atlas or English?

 

just took my English axle apart & discovered a sheared shaft.

 

options / cost regarding just replace existing shaft, Upgrade to Quafe or sod the lot and put a Atlas in?

 

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Thanks

 

P. S. I was giving it DEATH when it went lol

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N/A = Uprated English

 

Turbo = Atlas

im turbo 300bhp and let it off the line @7000rpm with drag slicks :thumbsup:

 

Cool :) Do you trust it 100% though when you launch it??? The TransX shafts are beefy mofo's but how long will that take that kind of punishment?

 

I used to smash English's to smitherines in the 80's with a Pinto, but things have moved on since then it seems :P

 

Im building what will be a 300-400lbft torque MK2 at the moment and have just bought the Atlas. Would much prefer to use an English but cant see it being upto the job long term!

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that's my opinion too, how long will uprated shafts last? I've heard that quaife have been compared to chocolate just not as tasty...

 

also it was strange to find that i had absolutist no drive with one shaft gone and an ATB fitted. thought I'd at least get some sort of drag through the diff. (I'm aware that the ATB never locks but i just sat there on tick over with the prop going round) :?

 

how much were the Trans X ones?

Posted
N/A = Uprated English

 

Turbo = Atlas

im turbo 300bhp and let it off the line @7000rpm with drag slicks :thumbsup:

 

Cool :) Do you trust it 100% though when you launch it??? The TransX shafts are beefy mofo's but how long will that take that kind of punishment?

 

I used to smash English's to smitherines in the 80's with a Pinto, but things have moved on since then it seems :P

 

Im building what will be a 300-400lbft torque MK2 at the moment and have just bought the Atlas. Would much prefer to use an English but cant see it being upto the job long term!

 

i raced all last season with osfdc running low 12s/high 11s.so i do trust it.i done over 300 runs up the pod over 2011 :thumbsup:

Posted
N/A = Uprated English

 

Turbo = Atlas

im turbo 300bhp and let it off the line @7000rpm with drag slicks :thumbsup:

 

Cool :) Do you trust it 100% though when you launch it??? The TransX shafts are beefy mofo's but how long will that take that kind of punishment?

 

I used to smash English's to smitherines in the 80's with a Pinto, but things have moved on since then it seems :P

 

Im building what will be a 300-400lbft torque MK2 at the moment and have just bought the Atlas. Would much prefer to use an English but cant see it being upto the job long term!

 

i raced all last season with osfdc running low 12s/high 11s.so i do trust it.i done over 300 runs up the pod over 2011 :thumbsup:

 

Well thats pretty impressive :thumbsup: what sort of torque are you making and at what revs (I pressume its the cossie in your sig?).

 

I know the TransX setups have been bullet proof on the N/A's but would be intrested to hear more stories like yours on Turbo'd motors :) Once uprated, I would be worried about the crownwheel itself as they aint much bigger than scalextric :lol:

 

Are you using a 3.54 ?

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i use a 3.77 diff. 23"x7" tyre not sure of the torgue but i can sometimes get 1 front wheel off the floor and yes its the car in sig. the diff has got all new heavy duty tekton bearings. :thumbsup:

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i use a 3.77 diff. 23"x7" tyre not sure of the torgue but i can sometimes get 1 front wheel off the floor and yes its the car in sig. the diff has got all new heavy duty tekton bearings. :thumbsup:

 

youve been lucky mate

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i use a 3.77 diff. 23"x7" tyre not sure of the torgue but i can sometimes get 1 front wheel off the floor and yes its the car in sig. the diff has got all new heavy duty tekton bearings. :thumbsup:

You may have got a front wheel off the floor but still no 11.7 a best!! :thumbsup:

Posted
i use a 3.77 diff. 23"x7" tyre not sure of the torgue but i can sometimes get 1 front wheel off the floor and yes its the car in sig. the diff has got all new heavy duty tekton bearings. :thumbsup:

You may have got a front wheel off the floor but still no 11.7 a best!! :thumbsup:

 

Play nice Dan! :lol::lol:

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i use a 3.77 diff. 23"x7" tyre not sure of the torgue but i can sometimes get 1 front wheel off the floor and yes its the car in sig. the diff has got all new heavy duty tekton bearings. :thumbsup:

You may have got a front wheel off the floor but still no 11.7 a best!! :thumbsup:

have you got a engine yet!!! (NO) :sad::sad:

Posted
i use a 3.77 diff. 23"x7" tyre not sure of the torgue but i can sometimes get 1 front wheel off the floor and yes its the car in sig. the diff has got all new heavy duty tekton bearings. :thumbsup:

You may have got a front wheel off the floor but still no 11.7 a best!! :thumbsup:

have you got a engine yet!!! (NO) :sad::sad:

 

play nice tiny turbo :lol::lol:

Posted
i use a 3.77 diff. 23"x7" tyre not sure of the torgue but i can sometimes get 1 front wheel off the floor and yes its the car in sig. the diff has got all new heavy duty tekton bearings. :thumbsup:

You may have got a front wheel off the floor but still no 11.7 a best!! :thumbsup:

have you got a engine yet!!! (NO) :sad::sad:

 

play nice tiny turbo :lol::lol:

ok no turbo (jap crap) :shock:

Posted
i use a 3.77 diff. 23"x7" tyre not sure of the torgue but i can sometimes get 1 front wheel off the floor and yes its the car in sig. the diff has got all new heavy duty tekton bearings. :thumbsup:

You may have got a front wheel off the floor but still no 11.7 a best!! :thumbsup:

have you got a engine yet!!! (NO) :sad::sad:

 

play nice tiny turbo :lol::lol:

ok no turbo (jap crap) :shock:

 

fare comment but dont cry coz your only as fast as a pinto , :lol::lol: Tiny turbo,,,

Posted
i use a 3.77 diff. 23"x7" tyre not sure of the torgue but i can sometimes get 1 front wheel off the floor and yes its the car in sig. the diff has got all new heavy duty tekton bearings. :thumbsup:

You may have got a front wheel off the floor but still no 11.7 a best!! :thumbsup:

have you got a engine yet!!! (NO) :sad::sad:

 

play nice tiny turbo :lol::lol:

Just cause you came to andy robinsons with me today to see a proper bit of racing material tiny turbo

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I just wrote this on another thread .. thats 2 threads asking about English axles.. wheres the ' Will my Atlas last' thread ..

 

how many times do you see ' wanted english shaft/cwp... just broken mine.' and how many times do you see ' wanted atlas shafts cwp'

Tom dosnt want to get the hassle with English axles, theres been posts on here saying,'my diffs whining' .. 'had my axle built by Joe Bloggs and its shit itself'

 

Its all well and good someone saying ... 'i had an english on my pinto car and its fine' ...but has he got your tyres, the difference between Firestone Ditchfinders and Yokos is a big bang from the back.

Yers ago I used to be in the breakers hunting for English diffs and shafts .. because at least once a month i had a breakage, and that lasted till i fitted an atlas.. could i tell the difference in handling, no, i'm not Senna.. the stopwatch showed the difference though, a lap was average, instead of being 20 minutes long... takes the recovery truck 19minutes to pull you off the track after you've blown a shaft or crownwheel on the start of a 15minute race.

 

With an English, its not ' will it cope with ***BHp ' its 'how long before it goes bang'

 

Now if you have 300ft/lb (BHP cant break anything), skinny tyres, it will last a long time, as the power will overcome grip, and you cant break something thats not gripping, newtons laws ... but if it grips with that torque .. bang.

and it gets worse with final drives having a big numbers..

100 ft/lb x 3:1 1st gear = 300 ft/lb .. final drive of 4:1 300ft/lb x4= 1200ft/lb

 

Oh and i'd rather have weak shafts than strong... a shaft breaks mid corner you can catch the slide.. the CWP spits its teeth..instant lock up, just like you've pulled the handbrake up!!! so i dont like Atlas side gears on the weak English CWP

 

And yes, Tom supplies my customers with Atlas's, but from him, not me, i dont sell them.

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Oh..and the ATB not allowing you drive, its because its torque sensing, if you take one wheel up in the air ( effectivly the same as losing a shaft) there is no difference in torque reaction between the wheels.. hence no drive, the ATB cant work with nothing.

Brilient road and ttrackday diffs.. crap on the snow and loose.

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ok i've given up...

 

found a 3.44 atlas with caliper mounts fitted, Polly bushed single leaf springs, 2x a frame kits fitted 2"blocks.

 

gonna try to collect over the weekend and size it up, see how it fits with existing saddles and wheels??

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