phorbiuz Posted October 8, 2016 Report Posted October 8, 2016 Hello again everyone. I joined here quite some time back but then drifted back to BuySellCortina and Mk1Mk2Transit (as I'm admin on BSC for a start). I've been saving for a little while with a dream to get a Yank muscle car but it's become obvious that what I'd like is out of my budget. I'm now thinking of a mk2 Escort. Prices for RS models are out of my range too so I was wondering about the Sport model. It needs to be good already (I already have a few good cars plus Cortina S and Sierra XR4x4 projects on the go) and as original as possible (I like originality). This is early days - I don't actually know much about them and what specifics to look for. If anyone could also suggest general prices I can expect I can also think whether these are also out of my budget. Thanks. Dave.
Admin Vista Posted October 8, 2016 Admin Report Posted October 8, 2016 I think KGF classic cars have just picked one up and will be advertising it soon. You can get South African import 1600 Sports which are usually a bit cheaper than homegrown stuff but otherwise little different.
2512pf Posted October 8, 2016 Report Posted October 8, 2016 I have a sa sport i dont know why they are cheaper than uk cars ,it makes no sense to me I mean sa cars have similar shells to the rs models They have a better fuel tank They have a better quality interior They have the gen rs front spoiler fitted But most important of all They are usually rust free To me i prefer a unwelded shell thats come from another country than a uk car thats normally full of filler hiding lots and lots of bad repairs
phorbiuz Posted October 9, 2016 Author Report Posted October 9, 2016 I think KGF classic cars have just picked one up and will be advertising it soon. You can get South African import 1600 Sports which are usually a bit cheaper than homegrown stuff but otherwise little different. Thanks for the heads up. KGF get very nice cars in but they reflect that in very nice prices. I'd hazard a guess that a Sport from them will cost the same as an RS from elsewhere but we'll see. I have a sa sport i dont know why they are cheaper than uk cars ,it makes no sense to me I mean sa cars have similar shells to the rs models They have a better fuel tank They have a better quality interior They have the gen rs front spoiler fitted But most important of all They are usually rust free To me i prefer a unwelded shell thats come from another country than a uk car thats normally full of filler hiding lots and lots of bad repairs TBH the SA source doesn't worry me as long as it's legit and good - condition is more important than anything. The cheapest option on my list is to go for a nice Cortina XR6 which are SA models but as I already have 4 Cortina's I'd prefer something different. For all the Fords I've had I've never owned an Escort.
Admin Vista Posted October 9, 2016 Admin Report Posted October 9, 2016 here's a South African import 1600 Sport http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C795271
phorbiuz Posted October 9, 2016 Author Report Posted October 9, 2016 here's a South African import 1600 Sport http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C795271 Thanks. Strangely the listing states to text questions rather than phone (I'm thinking they may work a shift pattern like I do). Regardless I've mailed as a text would be too long. I'm wondering why it's classed as a project, what it needs etc etc. Can't hurt to find out. Ultimately though I might prefer to pay more to get one already done. Thanks.
Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted October 9, 2016 Moderator Report Posted October 9, 2016 The South African Sports do seem to be the car of choice with UK importers. I dont think the prices are that bad when you consider the condition they are in. You rarely have to do any massive floor and inner wing repairs which ultimately save you alot of money and minimal off the road time. You wont see an Australian 1600 Sport in the UK though. We never made any LOL
phorbiuz Posted October 9, 2016 Author Report Posted October 9, 2016 These two really tick the box so I'm going to watch where the prices go. Going to guess past my budget lol. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1980-FORD-ESCORT-1600-SPORT-RED-VERY-GOOD-LOOKING-CAR-1-YEARS-MOT-/331993048283?hash=item4d4c53e4db:g:598AAOSwYIxX92~s http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escort-Mk2-1600-Sport-UK-Model-/172365286561?hash=item2821c58ca1:g:pFcAAOSwLnBX9WUj
preacherman Posted October 9, 2016 Report Posted October 9, 2016 Both nice cars. I prefer the red one.good luck
phorbiuz Posted October 9, 2016 Author Report Posted October 9, 2016 I agree. Bright colours suit the mk1/2 much more than something like white or brown IMO, though I'm also a big fan of silver.
2512pf Posted October 9, 2016 Report Posted October 9, 2016 Yes i think imo black is the worst colour for a mk2 It has to be bright red green silver or yellow
SmokeEm Posted October 9, 2016 Report Posted October 9, 2016 I thought the big downside of a SA Sport was that the back axle is made of butter so cannot take any decent power but i suppose if u are keeping original, that shouldn't matter?
phorbiuz Posted October 9, 2016 Author Report Posted October 9, 2016 Good info thanks. It's things like this I don't know in the Escort world. You're right though - as I won't be upgrading to newer and bigger power I think the risk here is minimal. I have motorbikes for speed.
Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted October 9, 2016 Moderator Report Posted October 9, 2016 I thought the big downside of a SA Sport was that the back axle is made of butter so cannot take any decent power but i suppose if u are keeping original, that shouldn't matter? Its a common misconception. People often confuse the Borg-Warner axle in the South African cars with the weaker Koln type. The Borg-Warner axles are relatively strong, the downside of them is that is rare to find as low ratios you see with the English axles and also its very hard to find LSDs for them. So it will do fine with a standard or fast road car but if you do want to go LSD then swap it over for an English axle. 2
2512pf Posted October 9, 2016 Report Posted October 9, 2016 I thought the big downside of a SA Sport was that the back axle is made of butter so cannot take any decent power but i suppose if u are keeping original, that shouldn't matter? You thought wrong
SmokeEm Posted October 10, 2016 Report Posted October 10, 2016 You thought wrong I did indeed. However,as stated above, if u want to fit a slipper,don't buy a SA import..
Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted October 10, 2016 Moderator Report Posted October 10, 2016 You thought wrong I did indeed. However,as stated above, if u want to fit a slipper,don't buy a SA import.. It is very easy to confuse the two though at first glance with its bolt on back plate you know its not an Atlas and see the less substantial tubing and think that its a Koln axle. The Borg-Warner axles have a more defined octagonal rear profile of the back plate. They are on par with standard English axles strength wise but the ratios are all very tall most being 3.9 and 4.1 even 4.4 so highway driving with a 4 speed can be a bit tiresome. The South African RS2000s had a very rare ratio for the Borg Warner Axles at 3.7. But finding one is near impossible. Its sort of like the SA equivalent of opening quarter windows. You could get a whole English axle for less money. So too LSDs for them are just as rare and even if you found one you wouldnt use it as they are of some strange cone type design which isnt that good and never get parts for. So Smokems end advice is still pretty valid it will be ok for a standard and slightly warm Kent engined cars but if you want to use a Pinto or something with a reasonable amount of torque permitting a lower ratio and increase horsepower requiring a LSD then I would suggest going for an English axle. For a stock road car if you lived in South Africa or Australia you wouldnt bother changing, with them being pretty serviceable having been made in both countries but if I lived in the UK and had one I wouldnt rush out and change it straight away but when it comes time to service the diff then I would take that opportunity to switch to an English one. In the interim keep an ear to the ground and you will find one cheap before the time comes where you have swap them over. Pop in a slipper and have alot more fun.
2512pf Posted October 10, 2016 Report Posted October 10, 2016 My sa sport seems ok at 70mph on motorway with a standard 4 speed box So maybe mi es s 3:5:4
Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted October 10, 2016 Moderator Report Posted October 10, 2016 My sa sport seems ok at 70mph on motorway with a standard 4 speed box So maybe mi es s 3:5:4 Yellow is my favourite colour, especially bright sunflower yellows. So I wouldnt care what diff or ratio yours had I would have bought it for the colour alone! All Mk2 Sports seem to have great punchy colours actually. 1
2512pf Posted October 10, 2016 Report Posted October 10, 2016 Yellow is my favourite colour, especially bright sunflower yellows. So I wouldnt care what diff or ratio yours had I would have bought it for the colour alone! All Mk2 Sports seem to have great punchy colours actually. yes I do like the yellow it's a great colour thanks
stevegav Posted October 12, 2016 Report Posted October 12, 2016 Hi guys. I only purchased my SA 1600 sport because it was sunflower yellow lol. I am very tempted to add a few horses tho. Is changing the axle to an English one as straight forward as it looks or do mods need to be made ? Cheers Steve
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