I've been thinking.... (yawn, turbo v atmo again!)

[turboterror]

Yes forget v8's in escorts as too big unlesss building a space frame type machine . A good fast turbo 2 litre installation is still not cheap Sambo . Just the Atlas axle is 2500 pounds alone if rebuilt to new . Then for a track car you don't need a big turbo (400 plus bhp etc) you need a small responsive turbo to go faster around the corners and too pick up fast when you come off the brakes etc . An engine like this will still cost a few quid if building new with all quality parts , gearbox , shell fabrication , intercoolers , axles etc etc . Even then it will still have decent pintos , N/A cosworths , XE's , etc etc sitting close to it's back panel or dare i say it , in front !

[Gonzo]

...Which is why rotaries are the way forward.

[Retromotorsport]

Sambo, this question of yours keeps coming up ... but the biggest question hasnt been asked..

 

What do you want to do with the car?

[Mr Sam]

...Which is why rotaries are the way forward.

 

 

[NginEEr]

...Which is why rotaries are the way forward.

 

I think i heard some where its hard to find a class rotaries in certain race groups etc due to having 3 powerstrokes to 1 rotation or something along those lines think it was like a 600cc engine is like 1300cc or sumit daft in a rotary

[tim]

What do you want to do with the car?

 

go fast for not alot of money

[sambo]

Lol, well, i did intend to go hillclimbing next year but i dont think i can afford it really. If i was to race it, i would need to go N/A cossie but if i was to use it as a fun, track day/ road car then any decent power plant would be an option. V8 included.

The bang for buck really isnt in favour of the N/A cossie though is it. Especially when you look into dry sumping etc !

 

I think i'll wait around until a second hand engine comes up for sale. N/A cossie. mmmmm.

 

Putting a V8 into my escort just wouldnt be right and as someone said, it needs to suit the car. peter Thurstons V8 mk1 simply couldnt have any other engine than a V8 though could it! ?

But mine... i think it needs a screaming 4 pot!

[Retromotorsport]

perfect example there Sambo, Pete's car isnt that quick...

 

If you want to go quick round a track then its the chassis that needs sorting before the engine ...

 

but i've been telling people that for years and no one listens

[mk1super]

perfect example there Sambo, Pete's car isnt that quick...

 

If you want to go quick round a track then its the chassis that needs sorting before the engine ...

 

but i've been telling people that for years and no one listens

 

As you would with a bike sort barkes and suspension first, then you can brake later and handle better, then worry about grunt later

[sambo]

perfect example there Sambo, Pete's car isnt that quick...

 

If you want to go quick round a track then its the chassis that needs sorting before the engine ...

 

but i've been telling people that for years and no one listens

 

So, whats peters time around brands indy circuit Gary?? Any ideas?

 

Anyway, if i went for a badass N/A cossie, i would probably trailer the car to you to get the bulkhead chopped and getting the engine chassis mounted further back etc. Also, get a full suspension set-up as i dunno what im doing with all the link bars etc!!

[MK2Ed]

perfect example there Sambo, Pete's car isnt that quick...

 

If you want to go quick round a track then its the chassis that needs sorting before the engine ...

 

but i've been telling people that for years and no one listens

 

As you would with a bike sort barkes and suspension first, then you can brake later and handle better, then worry about grunt later

 

Exactly spend most money on the suspension and brakes... then worry about the engine... A car that handles and brakes hard & good suspension geometry will beat one with a quick engine that can't .....

[Gonzo]

Sambo, stop being a tart and buy a rotary! You know it makes sense! You saw that yan-kee tuned 3-rotor that was kicking out over 400bhp on cheap-shit 91-octane 'regular'!

 

Stop being such a bloody stick-in-the-mud with yer 'it must have a 4-pot'! To be honest it's getting bloody OLD!

 

You want the power, but don't have the money. Rotaries make sense. Twin-turbo setup, including all wiring and a gearbox out of an RX-7, maybe 2K. Single turbo conversion, including setup, maybe another grand. You got about 350-400 RELIABLE bhp from 2 rotors.

 

Buy a shagged RX-7 motor for the backplate, buy a 3-rotor out of a Cosmo, swap backplates [they're autos, y'see], bolt on a turbo, you're looking at probably 400-450+ bhp after setting up for not a lot of money, in comparison to a cossie turbo.

 

Cosworths are getting old, not in the sense that they've been done to death [although they have been], but age-wise. You know how much it takes to get one up to spec, so why not go for a far newer engine with more bang for yer buck? Rotaries have already been proven to be insanely quick motors that love to be revved hard.

 

 

Or seeing as you want a motor that 'screams', go N/A. Peripheral porting and fuel injection. You now have your desired scream, and, while I don't have prices for that kinda work off the top of me head, it's still gonna be cheaper than a Cossie for the same, and more, power.

 

The simple N/A rotary route? 230bhp RX-8 engine and 'box. Still only 2 rotors as well. And still only about 2-3K for the engine out of a wrecker.

 

'But Ford bits fit off the shelf!' Again, you want the power, you don't have the money. Knocking up engine and gearbox mounts isn't exactly rocket science, and I know for a fact I posted a link up for a site that supplies all the bits to bolt a rotary onto a Type-9 and into a mk2 [and thus a mk1] engine bay. So shut up.

 

Weight-wise: Erm... what weight? They're physically tiny once you bin all the FI crap, and even with, they're still smaller than a fully built-up Cossie turbo. And they weigh NOTHING! They have no cams, no valves, no followers, springs, rods, pistons, cylinder head etc. etc. If I remember rightly, Hurley Rotary quote the 3-rotor as being 315 lbs fully built up, so a 2-rotor's gonna be maybe 250-275-ish. Maybe less. I dunno what that is in kilos, but it's not really a lot. Maybe the weight of your average American.

 

TL;DR: Get a life. Get a rotary.

[PIG]

aint the rotary engine older than the cossie lump,the install cost of one of them will be exspensive imo,there all horses for courses.the mk2 rally car i have seen makes a loud of noise but dont seem to go that well imo

[Gonzo]

The original design, yeah, but physically, no. RX-7s and, obviously RX-8's are still in production, whereas Sierra Cosworths etc. aren't.

 

And I've not seen the rally car in action, so I can't comment about that.

 

As for install costs, tbh I doubt they'd be that much higher than any other install, and you've already saved a fair bit by choosing one over a cossie anyway.

[Wessie]

i cant be arsed to get involved in another engine debate, for me its got to be a BDG, nowadays alot of money for no more bang then 260bhp but my god what a soundtrack they've got

 

so instead of bitching about engines im gonna share soem photos

 

 

those are the v8 escorts that have already been mentioned

[PIG]

i like the black escort,aint seen that before

[Gonzo]

I'll just leave these here...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kevmk2]

That black mk2 x pack was at Brands last year, wasnt that impressed with it around the track to be honest, Adrian Hall was flying past him in the atmo cossie mk2

[kevmk2]

This looks alot of fun though

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oPQIizRp9 ... re=related

[Wessie]

That black mk2 x pack was at Brands last year, wasnt that impressed with it around the track to be honest, Adrian Hall was flying past him in the atmo cossie mk2

 

until he got told off by the noise police that thing og his is a weapon

 

and another N/A YB that was fookin quick on the day

[5hane]

surley a rotor is all revs and no 'umph'?

[Gonzo]

Try telling that to the bloke with the 8-second 12A jobby.

[tim]

am with wessie escorts need a bd under the bonnet

 

but they also need to be in a forest aswell

[sambo]

perfect example there Sambo, Pete's car isnt that quick...

 

If you want to go quick round a track then its the chassis that needs sorting before the engine ...

 

but i've been telling people that for years and no one listens

 

As you would with a bike sort barkes and suspension first, then you can brake later and handle better, then worry about grunt later

 

Exactly spend most money on the suspension and brakes... then worry about the engine... A car that handles and brakes hard & good suspension geometry will beat one with a quick engine that can't .....

 

i HAVE spent money on suspension and brakes. Although i do need more track days to get to know it and set it up etc. I have good brakes, good suspension, 5 linked rear end, atlas axle etc, etc but all i need is a GREAT engine and then i can shut up and the missus will get some peace cos i'll be at track days all the time!

[MK2Ed]

perfect example there Sambo, Pete's car isnt that quick...

 

If you want to go quick round a track then its the chassis that needs sorting before the engine ...

 

but i've been telling people that for years and no one listens

 

As you would with a bike sort barkes and suspension first, then you can brake later and handle better, then worry about grunt later

 

Exactly spend most money on the suspension and brakes... then worry about the engine... A car that handles and brakes hard & good suspension geometry will beat one with a quick engine that can't .....

 

i HAVE spent money on suspension and brakes. Although i do need more track days to get to know it and set it up etc. I have good brakes, good suspension, 5 linked rear end, atlas axle etc, etc but all i need is a GREAT engine and then i can shut up and the missus will get some peace cos i'll be at track days all the time!

 

Fair play... Wondered at the time of drafting ... Was 50-50 whether you had or not ... Still this for the benefit of all