Has anybody Seen or read about this?

[bortaf]

Phrases like "that transmission tunnel was rusty, so I repaired it" = big tunnel Will have to be learnt

Wont make any differance if it was rusty or not, if it's changed it's changed, simple as that

[over_head_cam]

It's been repaired, not modified Who's to know, would they go at it with a ruler and make sure it was mm perfect? I doubt it

 

If you 'repair' a floorpan by welding in a repair panel, technically you are modifying it but it's classed as a repair even though there are welds and seams where there weren't before and the panels are not to original spec.

 

It's like a lot of things. Done right things will not be obvious and will tend to disappear. But all the crappy, unsafe shite will get pulled up straight away.

[bortaf]

you do have a good point there hide it well

[FredTransit]

That's EXACTLY the point I am making too. Listening to all this talk of volunteering information to VOSA/DVLA (information they don't ask you for on the V5 that is) just leaves you open to an unnecessary IVA with all the related expense.

 

"LOOK! LOOK! I have changed the transmission tunnel!"

 

"here's your Q plates, BTW you owe us for road tax on your 1970 Mk1 escort..."

[crs2000]

 

 

 

[FredTransit]

 

Are they sure it's not the owner that triggers the BIVA? The last (class7) MOT I had they didn't lift the bonnet, and the 5 speed was clear to see from underneath. Nobody pointed, screamed or called VOSA. Including me. If it's not the MOT tester grassing up the owners, it must be the owners themselves approaching the DVLA or VOSA. How else would they know? Psychic?

[Dalek]

I'm getting over on another forum for saying the ace is unnecessarily stirring up a hornets nest.

 

Think of it this way.

 

If the ace did not ask for clarification regarding the points system and modification of the monocoque then some old biddy in an office would not have been forced to clarify the rules. DVLA/VOSA/whoever didn't know themselves until the ace asked for clarification ! I mean come on, fitting a larger tunnel is not the same as radically rebuilding the monocoque is it ? But now that the ace have asked for clarification it has been decided that it is the same. Which in most peoples opinion is wrong.

 

I agree there are some seriously badly modified heaps of rubbish out there and yes these should be tested in some way but it's the same old story the minority spoil it for everybody else

 

 

Craig

[FredTransit]

Hmmm, you've got a point there. These rules have been in existence for 30 years, yet it's only recently they have been discussed. The thing is, it's not just the shonky back-lopped-off-to-make-a-pickup conversions, that only take a glance across the road to see they have been drastically modified that are being sucked into this. Now they are looking, potentially just fitting a 5 speed gearbox (that does of course not turn you car into a deathtrap) could earn you a Q plate, not to mention a whole load of unwanted expense. The BIVA test alone will cost you £450, pass or fail and the re test £125, money I would far rather spend on tyres and insurance, not to mention road tax.

[Ken B]

 

Are they sure it's not the owner that triggers the BIVA? The last (class7) MOT I had they didn't lift the bonnet, and the 5 speed was clear to see from underneath. Nobody pointed, screamed or called VOSA. Including me. If it's not the MOT tester grassing up the owners, it must be the owners themselves approaching the DVLA or VOSA. How else would they know? Psychic?

 

Your forgetting about the classics that are not on Swansea's computer system for whatever reason. People very often restore/modify them first then think about trying to re register them. They then fall foul of the 25 points system or they have modified in some cases (beach buggies on Beetle chassis etc) the car beyond original manufacture.

Also how this was first raised in the public domain recently was the modified Bentley that was involved in a number plate transfer. The vehicle needs to be inspected as many are now over certain age or randomly, then the next thing, its off to IVA as DVLA ascertained it wsn't entitled to be on a normal number plate to start with due to its heavy mods.

Also I know some people have been caught out when they try to correct errors on chassis numbers on older cars. (they were frequently written down wrong in the old days and probably still are) DVLA ask for vehicle inspection, then find they haven't declared engine mods, and it spirals from there.

All this and in the wake of the Land Rover accident that killed the 3 kids, has basically awakened the sleepin giant that is DVLA/VOSA.

[Ken B]

I'm getting over on another forum for saying the ace is unnecessarily stirring up a hornets nest.

 

Craig

 

Fook me Craig, best get yourself a nuclear bunker mate. What have you done!!!!

[FredTransit]

I am with Darlek on this! He's putting a very good argument! I am only sorry we are now under the microscope as far as the DVLA and VOSA are concerned. As far as the landy owner who killed his kids go, he was a tit who would have done what he did to his car regardless. That's the problem, the law affects those who follow it. The ones who don't know or don't care about their safety will carry on.

[oxb1l]

glad i left mine std but i pity the guys that have done some very trick cars if these dudes get there way

 

Bill

[Synergy]

Is this what we're talking about?:-

 

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Bu ... G_10014199

[Dalek]

I dunno m8, just trying to put a valid point across, nobody can understand that for some reason

[Dalek]

Is this what we're talking about?:-

 

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Bu ... G_10014199

 

Yes

 

And this is the thread i'm getting on

 

http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=76054

[Dalek]

I am with Darlek on this! He's putting a very good argument!

 

Thank you for your support

[FredTransit]

What concerns me is there are more people who think like us, but are keeping quiet cos they don't want to upset those who seem to be in the majority!

[baz105e]

whats stopping us taking our number plates and chasis plates down to a mate who has the same car in the same colour as us but in origonal condition, slapping on our id and popping it down to the mot station ? get back and swap the id job done

[Fiesta Steve]

whats stopping us taking our number plates and chasis plates down to a mate who has the same car in the same colour as us but in origonal condition, slapping on our id and popping it down to the mot station ? get back and swap the id job done

 

Nothing, my cars total id consits of 2 plastic number plates. The engine numbers are on the block face, they have long since been machined off the get the correct deck height for the engine and the floor numbers rotted out years ago..

[FredTransit]

Have to say Dalek I am amazed that RR thread hasn't been locked by now.....

[old skool estate]

Not every mot tester is going to be able to see if the car has been moded!

some of the young mot testers would of never seen the underside of a old skool ford!

sure there will be to many loop holes! cant see it working to well!

 

time will tell!

[mk1super]

Not every mot tester is going to be able to see if the car has been moded!

some of the young mot testers would of never seen the underside of a old skool ford!

sure there will be to many loop holes! cant see it working to well!

 

time will tell!

 

Think you have hit the nail on the head there, when i mot'd my escort last young lads at centre had not a clue what they were supposed to be looking for.

[Retromotorsport]

whats stopping us taking our number plates and chasis plates down to a mate who has the same car in the same colour as us but in origonal condition, slapping on our id and popping it down to the mot station ? get back and swap the id job done

 

Baz... behave, theres some shocking repaired, modified cars out there, that shouldnt be allowed on the road, I see shells that have been bought for conversions, and some of them are shocking, wood slipped inside a chassis rails, covered in GRP and filler to bring it level, and then stone chipped, some of the bodges are works of art.

I've seen a shell that had newspaper and mesh covered with GRP in the chassis rails and sills.. the only thing holding the car together was a rather dubious floor pan.

 

Yes theres cars out there that are repaird or modified properly that are safer than the original vehical.. and I belive that these should be allowed. but swapping ID's to get a car through the test is wrong. And if that person has a Fatal .... they could be looking at Life in prison along with loosing everything they own when sued by the deceased person/s families .. as your insurance isnt going to pay out.

 

And Fred, whats wrong with Pickups ... heres one i did earlier

 

 

 

[FredTransit]

I don't think there's anything wrong with pick ups either. TBH though the one you just posted does look like a coupe with a big boot, and if that was still reg'd as a saloon, a copper following it might think the same, and leave it alone if there was nothing else amiss. That's the point, if it doesn't differ from the V5 description you will be fine....

[Retromotorsport]

I converted that one in 2005 for the Ministry Of Sound 'Big Tunes' album.

 

Its now minus the stickers ... allthough i cant see it being plain for long as its owned by Sticky Matt @ Image Worx