billc Posted March 19, 2007 Report Posted March 19, 2007 I think my mk1 escort was originally "Anchor Blue" in 1968. I think I'd like to keep it this colour really. So, does anyone know any decent (and cheap!) places to get this colour in cellulose? Preferably near Portsmouth... Also I heard you can't get 2-pack anymore??
Rick Posted March 19, 2007 Report Posted March 19, 2007 Also I heard you can't get 2-pack anymore?? theyre sposed to stop making it soon... but i reckon itl b around a while before it vanishes
xpackken Posted March 19, 2007 Report Posted March 19, 2007 go with 2k (2pac) its a better holding finish although celly is ok but you will need to buff the arse out of it all of the time . your better of getting it painted now whilst companys are still using solvent paint otherwise you may struggle next year when it all goes waterbase because most bodyshops still dont have ovens and waterbase full respray is a twa* to do inside an oven never mind without . We have started using waterbased 2k already and its actualy a much deaper better wearing finish it just takes some getting used to it .. i like it now . i did this one early this month in waterbase & 2k laquer in its a realy nice finish in my opinion .. _________________ resession
billc Posted March 19, 2007 Author Report Posted March 19, 2007 ta for the info. I was planning on doing the job myself as my gf's dad has a garage, compressor etc and did his MG some time ago- that still looks the nuts although it is garaged all year......
flyingbanana Posted March 19, 2007 Report Posted March 19, 2007 http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Nu-Agane-Carpaints they are a shop...but not near you
capriclive Posted March 19, 2007 Report Posted March 19, 2007 you can still get celly at express paints over at burrfields, by jordans scrap recyclers in pompey . i get all my paint there. i heard that celly is due to be banned soon but you can still get it providing you can prove its for a classic car.
emu Posted March 19, 2007 Report Posted March 19, 2007 Autopaint down near burseldon do celly too, although I guess thats kind of the wrong direction for you compared with express.
xpackken Posted March 19, 2007 Report Posted March 19, 2007 ow yeah mate you can get celly in most places you wont have a problem i just dont see why anyone would chose to use it over 2k ... _________________ economic recession history
billc Posted March 22, 2007 Author Report Posted March 22, 2007 2K is what I want ideally, just thought it had been banned - nu-agane still sell it apparently and they do mail order - Thanks flyingbanana!! They even do paintmatching for no extra charge too. I might pop along burrfields to Express and see what they do there... Cheers for all the help
deluxemk1 Posted March 23, 2007 Report Posted March 23, 2007 Im a professional paint sprayer and I use ICI and GLASUIT waterbourne paint systems and have for over 7 years around when it was first introduced.There is a lot of myth over the oulawing of two pack paints.The reality is mostly the health and saftey powers that be and enviroment people want to target bodyshops which have a large waste of toxic solvents.There is an allowance for restoration of classic cars and motorbikes and in these cases solvent based colour basecoats and direct gloss two pack materials will be still available on request.The goverment legislation is targeted at large polluters not a few cars done for historic or enthusiasts allthough if the paint shop knows your not professional they might not sell you it ,but in my experience most will.It was supposed to be outlawed from Jan 07 but i see people buying it as normal.Top tip leave cellulose alone if you are not experienced as preparation must be flawless.It is easy to paint but two pack is more forgiving if you preparationis not so good as two pack materials will not sink into the repairs as easy.Use two pack primer without question its still cheap a primer pack from maxmeyer or lechler is about thirty quid and will do a car no problem with loads left.It gives good build and wont sink to show scratch marks in the repairs in the top coat finish six months later!Cellulose primer is pants also if your learning to paint another benefit is you put two pack paint on two pack primer if you mess up a panel you can wipe off the top coat with cellulose thinners and start again and it wont melt the primer as well giving you a second chance dont use two pack thinner though to do this! Only while the paint is still wet mind. If you use two pack protect your lungs for god sake one go wont kill you but it wont do you any favours.Also if you dont want your garage the same colour as the car do it in a base coat and clear laquer even if its not metallic the over spray sticks to everything that is not covered up so if its going to do that its better clear than red or something as bad! Two more tips for you if you want to use cellulose use a top gloss thinner with it NOT THE GUNWASH OR CHEAP THINNERS FOR GLEANING YOUR GUNS ETC.People always say celloulose doesnt shine out of the spraygun it does I assure you they did at dagenem in the sixtys! Its the thinners that normaly makes it loose shine when people spray it.One last thing is if you dont have a spraygun yet then when you buy one one important thing to look for even if its a cheap one from machine mart or halfords is the fluid tip size the gun is sold with.Look on the box of the gun you want it will say 1.3,1.4etc up to 2.0 it will be written on the box.You will be best with a 1.3 or 1.4. DONT BUY ONE WITH 1.5 OR BIGGER.Ive seen em in Halfords with1.8 written on em.Basicly they will chuck out as much paint as the jet wash at texaco chucks out water!Even a pro would mess up with that. That size is only good for thick 2k primer. Machine mart do good budget gravity fed (pot on top) guns which all pros use these days with a 1.4 set up for about forty quid this will help you a lot and make it less likely to get runs.My guns at work are 400 quid a go but i tried a mchine mart one and found they produce quite a good job. Hope this helps you or anyone reading this post. Im one of the Mad Moomin Racing lot if anyone has questions on bodywork feel free to ask or PM me and il try to help the best I can SIMON
Cookie Posted March 23, 2007 Report Posted March 23, 2007 Im a professional paint sprayer and I use ICI and GLASUIT waterbourne paint systems and have for over 7 years around when it was first introduced.There is a lot of myth over the oulawing of two pack paints.The reality is mostly the health and saftey powers that be and enviroment people want to target bodyshops which have a large waste of toxic solvents.There is an allowance for restoration of classic cars and motorbikes and in these cases solvent based colour basecoats and direct gloss two pack materials will be still available on request.The goverment legislation is targeted at large polluters not a few cars done for historic or enthusiasts allthough if the paint shop knows your not professional they might not sell you it ,but in my experience most will.It was supposed to be outlawed from Jan 07 but i see people buying it as normal.Top tip leave cellulose alone if you are not experienced as preparation must be flawless.It is easy to paint but two pack is more forgiving if you preparationis not so good as two pack materials will not sink into the repairs as easy.Use two pack primer without question its still cheap a primer pack from maxmeyer or lechler is about thirty quid and will do a car no problem with loads left.It gives good build and wont sink to show scratch marks in the repairs in the top coat finish six months later!Cellulose primer is pants also if your learning to paint another benefit is you put two pack paint on two pack primer if you mess up a panel you can wipe off the top coat with cellulose thinners and start again and it wont melt the primer as well giving you a second chance dont use two pack thinner though to do this! Only while the paint is still wet mind. If you use two pack protect your lungs for god sake one go wont kill you but it wont do you any favours.Also if you dont want your garage the same colour as the car do it in a base coat and clear laquer even if its not metallic the over spray sticks to everything that is not covered up so if its going to do that its better clear than red or something as bad! Two more tips for you if you want to use cellulose use a top gloss thinner with it NOT THE GUNWASH OR CHEAP THINNERS FOR GLEANING YOUR GUNS ETC.People always say celloulose doesnt shine out of the spraygun it does I assure you they did at dagenem in the sixtys! Its the thinners that normaly makes it loose shine when people spray it.One last thing is if you dont have a spraygun yet then when you buy one one important thing to look for even if its a cheap one from machine mart or halfords is the fluid tip size the gun is sold with.Look on the box of the gun you want it will say 1.3,1.4etc up to 2.0 it will be written on the box.You will be best with a 1.3 or 1.4. DONT BUY ONE WITH 1.5 OR BIGGER.Ive seen em in Halfords with1.8 written on em.Basicly they will chuck out as much paint as the jet wash at texaco chucks out water!Even a pro would mess up with that. That size is only good for thick 2k primer. Machine mart do good budget gravity fed (pot on top) guns which all pros use these days with a 1.4 set up for about forty quid this will help you a lot and make it less likely to get runs.My guns at work are 400 quid a go but i tried a mchine mart one and found they produce quite a good job. Hope this helps you or anyone reading this post. Im one of the Mad Moomin Racing lot if anyone has questions on bodywork feel free to ask or PM me and il try to help the best I can SIMON Top reply mate very informative, sprayed a few cars now, using 2k, but always learn something new everytime and a question always pops up so may give you a shout if i'm on one of my learning curves nice one
Rick Posted March 23, 2007 Report Posted March 23, 2007 thats a good bit of info there sum1 copy into tips and advice
deluxemk1 Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 If anyone needs help or advice just shout Im a fountain of boring knowledge he he
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