Forgive my ignorance...... Duratec related

[brettp]

just stick a v8 in cheaper sounds better and dont need a rebuild every ten minutes and then theres the torque ok they weigh a tonne but nothings perfect

[Mk 1 Mark]

Nice engine 8k +

 

 

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/461020.htm

[Guest MK1gaz]

Nice engine 8k +

 

 

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/461020.htm

looks a good price but will it fit !!!!!!!!!

[cossieglen]

Nice engine 8k +

 

 

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/461020.htm

 

Very nice engine that for the money Mark, the torque from the 2.3 is quite something, that'll have about 225lbs I reckon. Is this going in your XE powered car?

[d2000ad]

Just get a 83-92 5.0 litre mustang ho motor 300 bhp to begin with a complete car including 5sp manual box will cost ya about 1800 quid. + 350 for shipping. Bolt on paxton supercharger 200 quid extra 150 bhp on top. Runs on normal fuel. If its too heavy bout 800 quid will get you Edelbrock 2.02 fuelie heads a matched intake and exhaust manifold and carb. 500bhp plus. Oh yeah and if thats not enough bolt on nitrous. As someone who built a couple of these although it was in the states, Its the cheapest most reliable horsepower you can buy. The technology may be old but whats the point in having a really cool claw hammer when you can just use a F0000000000king sledgehammer to do the job. I should have the above in my granada by the end of next year without having to sell one of the children to finance it or sticking my missus out on the corner!. I will see all of the atmo powered cossies, duratec, zetec, xe or whatever ya got next year at the track.

Ps, If Im wrong... How come I never seen any of the above engines in an NHRA drag car?

[Mk 1 Mark]

Nice engine 8k +

 

 

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/461020.htm

 

Very nice engine that for the money Mark, the torque from the 2.3 is quite something, that'll have about 225lbs I reckon. Is this going in your XE powered car?

 

I wish . . . . No i have bought Normally asbirated Y/B cossy for my other Mk1 Cortina,Keeping the XE `d one for a road car and building an out and out trackday car.

[Mk 1 Mark]

Just get a 83-92 5.0 litre mustang ho motor 300 bhp to begin with a complete car including 5sp manual box will cost ya about 1800 quid. + 350 for shipping. Bolt on paxton supercharger 200 quid extra 150 bhp on top. Runs on normal fuel. If its too heavy bout 800 quid will get you Edelbrock 2.02 fuelie heads a matched intake and exhaust manifold and carb. 500bhp plus. Oh yeah and if thats not enough bolt on nitrous. As someone who built a couple of these although it was in the states, Its the cheapest most reliable horsepower you can buy. The technology may be old but whats the point in having a really cool claw hammer when you can just use a F0000000000king sledgehammer to do the job. I should have the above in my granada by the end of next year without having to sell one of the children to finance it or sticking my missus out on the corner!. I will see all of the atmo powered cossies, duratec, zetec, xe or whatever ya got next year at the track.

Ps, If Im wrong... How come I never seen any of the above engines in an NHRA drag car?

 

I think like me a lot of us like to go around corners.....Not just traffic light grand prix!

Sounds the nuts of an engine but for trackdays it will be like a boat anchor

And im sure wayne W.P.E has won many trophies with an old atmo cosworth powered anglia at santa pod:wink:

[cossieglen]

Nice engine 8k +

 

 

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/461020.htm

 

Very nice engine that for the money Mark, the torque from the 2.3 is quite something, that'll have about 225lbs I reckon. Is this going in your XE powered car?

 

I wish . . . . No i have bought Normally asbirated Y/B cossy for my other Mk1 Cortina,Keeping the XE `d one for a road car and building an out and out trackday car.

 

Ah right, well still a top engine mate, Matt absolutely loved his for its long life he had with it. Make sure you get more power than Gaz, just to annoy him

[cossieglen]

On the Duratec note again, I've just found this on the SBD website. It's an article from Fast Ford right back in 2003, when Steve first started developing the engine. Makes for interesting reading, here is a snippet.....

 

Tuning

 

You'd expect there to be plenty of scope for tuning the Duratec. Well, good news - there is. Up to a point anyway. Put simply, you don't have to do much to wring out the power, as SB Developments has done back-to-back tests all on the same day, after extensive preparation. By junking the standard induction system, which is intended for serious emissions control only, and replacing it with traditional induction methods, you can achieve truly staggering results.

 

With a pair of 45 DCOE side draught carbs and managed ignition they got 170 bhp - that's 25 bhp over standard. By taking them off and fitting parallel throttle bodies the figure then went to 195 bhp. Then, after replacing them with SBD's own tapered throttle bodies, the power increased to 208 bhp. This, of course, is all on a completely standard engine with no other mods. The Duratec engine we have run has been testing in two forms, parallel throttle bodies which produced an output of approximately 195 bhp and then running the engine on tapered throttle bodies produced 203 bhp (this was used in the American SAE corrections). The implications of this are obvious. The engine is effectively a plug and play unit. If you want to compete in motorsport and are looking for an efficient unit then the Duratec could well be an option. With secondhand low-mileage units retailing at around £700, all you need after that is £1781.90 (plus VAT) of induction. It's kit that's unlikely to break or wear out in a hurry either.

 

If you're unfortunate enough to blow the engine then all you need do is unbolt it and replace it with another. Compare that to tuning a traditional Ford engine such as a Pinto. To get in excess of 200 bhp you'd need eight grand-plus. And, if all you wanted was a good high powered plant, you could do the dirty and switch to H**nda power - then all you'd need is 'only' around five grand for a basic V-Tech unit. Put in these terms, the Duratec seems like a cheap motorsport unit

 

208bhp from a standard engine with no internal mods at all for £2800? Kinda puts it all in perspective for me. Throw in £500 for some cams, and another £500 for a decent manifold, £150 for some new springs and £100 for some piston pocketing and you're looking at just over £4k for a 230-235bhp duratec. Now to my ears that doesn't sound that expensive.

 

If you want to read the whole article it's here...

 

http://www.sbdev.co.uk/History_files/Hi ... Tuning.htm

 

To read all the other SBD magazine features then visit the main website here, and click on Press Coverage....

 

http://www.sbdev.co.uk/Main.htm

[escort21]

I like to see different engines in osf as itd be boring if everyone ha d a pinto/xflow etc...whichever is fastest will be proved at the track though

[Guest MK1gaz]

Standard duratecs cost about £5000 to get in + running in an oldskoolford and only make 180 bhp/145 ibls feets if your lucky so £1500 pintos will kick their arses allday . I'll buy a duratec for my mk1 cortina if they was any good without spending £12,000+

[Guest MK1gaz]

Just get a 83-92 5.0 litre mustang ho motor 300 bhp to begin with a complete car including 5sp manual box will cost ya about 1800 quid. + 350 for shipping. Bolt on paxton supercharger 200 quid extra 150 bhp on top. Runs on normal fuel. If its too heavy bout 800 quid will get you Edelbrock 2.02 fuelie heads a matched intake and exhaust manifold and carb. 500bhp plus. Oh yeah and if thats not enough bolt on nitrous. As someone who built a couple of these although it was in the states, Its the cheapest most reliable horsepower you can buy. The technology may be old but whats the point in having a really cool claw hammer when you can just use a F0000000000king sledgehammer to do the job. I should have the above in my granada by the end of next year without having to sell one of the children to finance it or sticking my missus out on the corner!. I will see all of the atmo powered cossies, duratec, zetec, xe or whatever ya got next year at the track.

Ps, If Im wrong... How come I never seen any of the above engines in an NHRA drag car?

You are totally and utterly correct mate BUT your car will have to look like a pro-mod , weigh 2 tonnes and wobble around corners while all the featherweight pushrod powered motors are blasting past !!!!!!!!

[NginEEr]

Nice engine 8k +

 

 

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/461020.htm

 

Ive seen that catheram go and that engine in person as Jeff at HWR is my tutor at college for engine tuning

[cossieglen]

Gaz mate, do you actually read people's posts properly? Because I'm pretty sure it said on the article I pasted that SBD's standard engine kit will produce 203bhp with corrections? Bit more than the 180bhp if you're lucky that you're stating. That kit plus a donor engine is going to cost you about £2800, it's not going to cost another £2200 to transplant it in.

 

I would estimate £4k to get it in place. Now I'm building a Pinto as you well know, with the best parts Ford and the amazing Harris clan can muster, and so far that stands me in well over half that, to produce what I anticipate will be less horsepower and torque, with a considerably heavier engine. Not the £1500 you said. £1500 will barely get you 130bhp in a Pinto these days mate, you of all people should know that championing the engine like you do.

[Guest MK1gaz]

Gaz mate, do you actually read people's posts properly? Because I'm pretty sure it said on the article I pasted that SBD's standard engine kit will produce 203bhp with corrections? Bit more than the 180bhp if you're lucky that you're stating.

They don't make 200+ bhp on a dyno-dynamics rolling road . You can fit verniers and swing the cams , fit £3000 worth of engine managment , £500 fancy exhausts , £1500 dry sumps etc etc etc and get nearish but then the engines bottom end is shite and breaks after 5 mins .

[cossieglen]

Ok Gaz, whatever mate.

[Vista]

Ok Gaz, whatever mate.

 

Now you're getting it

[Guest MK1gaz]

Ok Gaz, whatever mate.

But it's true though mate isn't it ? Unless you've got enough money for a dogs bollox duratec install then it's pointless bothering with one . If you've got the money for a dogs bollox duratec install then you've also got the money for a dogs bollox 16v pinto/warrior/millington etc which fits easier and isn't made by Mazda !!!!!!!!

[PIG]

still a great post tho this

[Toby]

Do £1500 Pintos make 200 hp on Dyno dynamics then Gaz? You can't compare apples with pears and then change the dyno!!

[Guest MK1gaz]

I still reckon a 180ish bhp pinto with 2.8 V6 cast pistons , standard rods + crank , a decent head + cam and 48's will push a 200ish bhp £5000 standard duratec install up the road easy . All we need is a 200ish bhp duratec install too race then , so who's got one ?

[Toby]

Dave from retro ford has a 275bhp one in his mk2 saloon, which I think is for sale, he ran 12.4 I think - maybe 12.3

 

I have to admit he wants a bit more than £1500 for it though. (10k I think)

[Guest MK1gaz]

Do £1500 Pintos make 200 hp on Dyno dynamics then Gaz? You can't compare apples with pears and then change the dyno!!

I wasn't saying that £1500 pintos made 200 dyno-dynamics horses , i was saying that standard duratec installs with £5000 worth of dry sumps , exhausts , throttle bodies , ECU's etc etc don't make 200 dyno-dynamics bhp . A 2 litre duratec with a turbo and 8 pounds of boost only just hit 200bhp the other month

[kevmk2]

Gaz has got a point with the install cost of a duratec though, its not cheap by any stretch of the imagination.

I put Icky's mk2 together, including putting the engine in, and i would rather fit a x flow, a pinto or a cossie lump anyday, so much easier

 

Ideally you need the bulkhead chopped back so that you dont have to dis-locate your hand or arm to work on the rear of the engine, this was made worse by the roller barrel throttle kit, the throttle cable was a nightmare to do

You need an exhaust manifold for it, around £500. Bellhousing to suit whatever gearbox your using £250-350, water rail kit £250 ish. Throttle bodies £1000+, fuel injection system £250, the list goes on and on.

I would like to see if a Duratec can do less than 11 or 10 seconds to 100mph, then i will be impressed

[kevmk2]

Do £1500 Pintos make 200 hp on Dyno dynamics then Gaz? You can't compare apples with pears and then change the dyno!!

I wasn't saying that £1500 pintos made 200 dyno-dynamics horses , i was saying that standard duratec installs with £5000 worth of dry sumps , exhausts , throttle bodies , ECU's etc etc don't make 200 dyno-dynamics bhp . A 2 litre duratec with a turbo and 8 pounds of boost only just hit 200bhp the other month

 

My old 2.1 budget pinto made 190bhp at Sanspeed. Bottom end was £400 from H.T's, head was £800 from burtons and secondhand 48's £250 from my brother

That would of done 13's all day with decent tyres and right gearing