sambo Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 Right, i know this has been done to death but there has never really been a decent answer. What is the best engine to use to get 220+bhp out of? and most importantly, RELIABLY !!! I have been chatting to Mr.Wigger recently and whilst i would love a W.P.E special under my bonnet, (and probably will one day!!!!!) i like to see my options. The toyota 4AGE lump has been mention (or forced down my throat) by Gonzo and he may well have a good argument. It is down to cost really and relative ease of installation, (i dont want a massive project). I dont know what i am doing with ECU's and modern sensor thingie's as this gets really complicated. In fact, i think it is cheaper to go cossie turbo!!! All i'll need is (the engine obviously), the intercooler and rad, gearbox, (sell mine to fund it) propshaft, and some other bits and bobs, ecu, fuel pump etc. Or the other option is S2000, about 3K for engine and box but off the shelf installation ford patrs dont exist therefore making it a headache and pricey to fit! but 230 or 240 bhp @ 9000rpm does sound good, and it has the reliability too which is mainly what im after, (although the torque is lacking a bit!) In an ideal world, the duratec seems so be the daddy at the moment but the installation costs at the kind of power i am after are just too high. Then there is the jap turbo engines (mitsi etc) what are people thoughts on them? they sound like a big project and a big headache to me. Hmm, any suggestions peeps, backed up with prices of stuff? I cant do a thing until after summer or way later but i like to plan ahead! In all honesty i do think that a WPE N/A cossie is maybe my best bet but like i say, i am open to options. Sorry to bore y'all with this again but maybe things will be different without GAZ shouting, BARRRPP!! all the time!!! cheers for reading!!
antz Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 ive heard the s2000 lump isnt really any good for tuning as it already runs so well. what about a mazda rotary?
5hane Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 what about xe power ? cheap to get to 200 bhp n/a reliable, and cheap
sambo Posted July 1, 2008 Author Report Posted July 1, 2008 ive heard the s2000 lump isnt really any good for tuning as it already runs so well. what about a mazda rotary? TBH the std output is pretty good antz so tuning it isnt that important. Its the reliability that i need not sure about rotary, that sound like more of a headache than the honda lump!
sambo Posted July 1, 2008 Author Report Posted July 1, 2008 what about xe power ? cheap to get to 200 bhp n/a reliable, and cheap Hmmmm. it's again, the conversion parts that add up to the cost mate. and to get the last little 20 or more BHP out of it costs the most too.
Col-ashtonmobile Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 i think your answer,s at the beginning , get a wacky n/a cossie
Posse Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 i think your answer,s at the beginning , get a wacky n/a cossie BARRRPP!!
Admin Vista Posted July 1, 2008 Admin Report Posted July 1, 2008 If you want something with cast iron reliability built in to it then you need to think of a fairly modern engine that will take little or no tweaking to reach the outputs you're thinking of. You will likely also need a good size budget. The Honda engine for instance produces around 240bhp out the box and Honda sell those cars/engines with a three year warranty. Wring it out of an ageing XE or N/A YB and yes it MIGHT be reliable for a while but will certainly not be on par with the above. The same can be said of a YB Turbo, you may be lucky and get a good one out of a crashed / rusty sapphire but most have been ragged silly by now and will need plenty of money spent on them to make them good again. The Toyota engine is a nice option, but to get it cheap it has to be old and therefore likely high mileage. Now call me old fashioned but old / high mileage and reliable are generally not phrases you associate with each other. Why is it that you need such a high bhp figure anyway? If you're going racing then I understand, but you can have immense fun on the roads in an OSF without anything like as much as that.
Rick Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 cant you spend the money on a 200bhp pinto? and make up the difference lightening your car so it seems faster
Col-ashtonmobile Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 Why is it that you need such a high bhp figure anyway? If you're going racing then I understand, but you can have immense fun on the roads in an OSF without anything like as much as that. so true , i was out in a 182bhp pinto mk1 esc saturday and it was such fun on the road
sambo Posted July 1, 2008 Author Report Posted July 1, 2008 Hmm, maybe i'm getting bored!! I know what you mean by fun on the road, i did have a 185/60 13 sized tyre 165bhp pinto a while back and it was great but now, i have more grip and i intend to do more track days etc so need/ want more power! I dont think 230bhi (ish) is too much to ask for really, out of a 2 litre engine, i just wish that conversion parts for non ford engines were cheaper! As for the WPE option......... i sincerely think it is the way to go. I know he builds great engines but i cant help wondering where i may be able to get more bang for my bucks. There is also the fact that a N/A cossie looks great and looks RIGHT in a mk1 escort engine bay!!!
sambo Posted July 1, 2008 Author Report Posted July 1, 2008 Someone please tell me ........... HOW THE HELL DOES THIS LITLE THING MAKE 400 BHP!!!????? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/3-ROTOR- ... enameZWD2V
Admin Vista Posted July 1, 2008 Admin Report Posted July 1, 2008 Rotary engines are a lot more powerful. Think about it, the cylinder that's firing isn't having to drag any of the others around on their exhaust stroke and it's all happening with constant rotation in the same direction.
sambo Posted July 1, 2008 Author Report Posted July 1, 2008 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mazda-cosmo-20b-h ... 18Q2el1247 Sounds like a good deal!
RWDmad Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 couldnt get a more reliable engine that na S2000 engine IMO
Darran Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 Have you been in a 200 bhp+ pinto??? They are soo fast for the road Would see off most n/a 16v engines,unless your pushing 240 bhp + Pintos just have loads of low down grunt.great for the road. I had a 340 bhp cossy mk2 a few years back ,fast as f**k with a proper built engine,but me pinto is faster to 60mph and cheaper!!
zetecmk2 Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 go rotary, rev to stupid rpm, make your own mounts, rebuild every year, smile every year ....or go s2000 and feel safe but skint, also , make your own fittings....then smile!! or n/a cossie, buy ford bits, smile, wish you put something more reliable/newer in while you had an empty engine bay!!! or post 93 saab 2.3 small turbo (cheap), make your own mounts,(cheap) emerald (or similar) ecu capable of running anti-lag, gm box (cheap) good for 400bhp (cheap) don't run anti lag all the time though, it melts turbo's and exhausts!!! whatever road you choose, you will get used to it and want more, so if on a budget, go for a all steel engine capable of high milage and 350/400 bhp (bottom end) as standard!!! saab i'm collecting bits now! i've known about this engine for years (my mate builds off road buggies using saab lumps and buys whole cars for £300) but then ppc made it known to the masses......buy now before it's too late!!!!
mossy Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 as vista said, getting any sort of engine now is all good saying 'yeah its got 150bhp then if i do this and this i will get 250bhp' But you have to consider where its come from....zetec from a family battered mondeo, XE from an 20yr old astra, pinto from an old rattly sierra, cossy from a raped saph....all well and good looking at conversion parts, but id be checking that engine over first of all before i worry about putting it in. a rebuild/refresh could cost a couple of hundred but id rather spend that to start with then spend loads on something thats weak and go bang.
sambo Posted July 1, 2008 Author Report Posted July 1, 2008 Have you been in a 200 bhp+ pinto??? They are soo fast for the road Would see off most n/a 16v engines,unless your pushing 240 bhp + Pintos just have loads of low down grunt.great for the road. I had a 340 bhp cossy mk2 a few years back ,fast as f**k with a proper built engine,but me pinto is faster to 60mph and cheaper!! Cheers Darran, its a good peice of info that. why was the 0-60 time longer with the turbo?
mossy Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 Have you been in a 200 bhp+ pinto??? They are soo fast for the road Would see off most n/a 16v engines,unless your pushing 240 bhp + Pintos just have loads of low down grunt.great for the road. I had a 340 bhp cossy mk2 a few years back ,fast as f**k with a proper built engine,but me pinto is faster to 60mph and cheaper!! Cheers Darran, its a good peice of info that. why was the 0-60 time longer with the turbo? turbo lag...takes time for the air pressure to boost the turbo to release the power. No turbo, smooth, full power all the way through the rev range and no lag
Gonzo Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 Rotary ftw! You know that 20B Cosmo package is a good deal!
hellblue Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 200bhp out of the box ~ 2.9 24v (boa) dump the CAT,s & fit later bob cams for about 220/230bhp + loadsa FUN
zetecmk2 Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 hi lardy lump another cheap option worth considering!!!
PIG Posted July 1, 2008 Report Posted July 1, 2008 the fella i sold my s2000 honda engined escort to is getting a jdm head and cam for it,i have seen the dyno sheet for it and it done 304 hp at 10200 .you wont break one of these
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