Best engine for 220+ bhp N/A..........

[fergus mk2]

Go for an XE, just look at the super quick rally escorts, alot of them run XE's

 

what about a millington diamond

[fergus mk2]

You haven't mentioned budget so a Millington Diamond with 320 N/A BHP

didnt see ya there mate

great minds think alike

[TwoLitrePinto]

but apart from that, about the dearest one is the pinto at about £3500 due to the crank grinding needed to get it to 2.2 and the headwork needed.

 

I'm not going to argue that the Pinto isn't the most expensive one to get that figure out of, but it's not down to the crank grinding. That's not an expensive part of the process at all.

 

Agree with vista...

 

The biggest expense is the Head really and at that sort of power you also need accralite or similar pistons too. After that, its the 48's at around £800 + linkage etc.

 

Im not saying your wrong, your probably right, i was just going by what it says in classic ford mag about it

[Gonzo]

2-strokes fire every rev, mate.

mine don't

 

Ya broke it?

[kevmk2]

Have you been in a 200 bhp+ pinto???

 

They are soo fast for the road

 

Would see off most n/a 16v engines,unless your pushing 240 bhp +

not in this life

Pintos just have loads of low down grunt.great for the road.

 

I had a 340 bhp cossy mk2 a few years back ,fast as f**k with a proper built engine,but me pinto is faster to 60mph and cheaper!!

 

Cheers Darran, its a good peice of info that.

why was the 0-60 time longer with the turbo?

 

0-60 is usually slower on a turbo'd escort due to wheelspin, but its the 0-100mph that is much faster, ive never heard or seen an aspirated escort do 0-100 in 6 or 7 seconds before

 

 

Only just seen your reply, whats with the rolling eyes

[kevmk2]

0-60 is usually slower on a turbo'd escort due to wheelspin, but its the 0-100mph that is much faster, ive never heard or seen an aspirated escort do 0-100 in 6 or 7 seconds before

 

I think Dave Colledge is near the 100 in 7 seconds, but appreciate that has been slightly breathed on with the lightening brush!!

 

Never say never!

 

0-60 is usually slower on a turbo car cos there is 4 seconds of turbo lag they then only take a second to do 5mph to 60! The same can be said for the 90-100 mph time - 4 seconds to wait for the turbo 1 second to speed up 10 mph!!

 

But 'tis true - turbo car do seem to get a BIG charge on - sometimes even in time to be in the race.

 

 

You can have a turbo'd engine with close to zero lag, take a WRC spec cossie engine, 300bhp and 500ft lbs of torque and Zero lag

My mate Jasons mk2 escort had a WRC spec engine in it with a IHA roller bearing turbo and that revved up and drove like and aspirated car

I have managed 0-60 in the 2.49 seconds on 7" wide slicks at pod with 1.64 60ft and 3.1 on my R888 Toyo's with 1.78 60ft, so it cant be that laggy

And Daves car would still be quick if he added some weight back on the car, surely it doesnt need to be that stripped out, id like to see it with glass windscreen, wiring loom and full dash etc, with road tax and MOT, i reckon it would still do an 11.3 or around that, and thats just awesome for atmo power with no gas

[kevmk2]

And here is Steve Scott's Fiesta doing 0-100 in 5.5 seconds and 0-60 in 2. something, dont sound laggy to me

[Toby]

0-60 is usually slower on a turbo'd escort due to wheelspin, but its the 0-100mph that is much faster, ive never heard or seen an aspirated escort do 0-100 in 6 or 7 seconds before

 

I think Dave Colledge is near the 100 in 7 seconds, but appreciate that has been slightly breathed on with the lightening brush!!

 

Never say never!

 

0-60 is usually slower on a turbo car cos there is 4 seconds of turbo lag they then only take a second to do 5mph to 60! The same can be said for the 90-100 mph time - 4 seconds to wait for the turbo 1 second to speed up 10 mph!!

 

But 'tis true - turbo car do seem to get a BIG charge on - sometimes even in time to be in the race.

 

 

You can have a turbo'd engine with close to zero lag, take a WRC spec cossie engine, 300bhp and 500ft lbs of torque and Zero lag

My mate Jasons mk2 escort had a WRC spec engine in it with a IHA roller bearing turbo and that revved up and drove like and aspirated car

I have managed 0-60 in the 2.49 seconds on 7" wide slicks at pod with 1.64 60ft and 3.1 on my R888 Toyo's with 1.78 60ft, so it cant be that laggy

And Daves car would still be quick if he added some weight back on the car, surely it doesnt need to be that stripped out, id like to see it with glass windscreen, wiring loom and full dash etc, with road tax and MOT, i reckon it would still do an 11.3 or around that, and thats just awesome for atmo power with no gas

 

I was just fookin wiv ya kev!!

 

And please don't post videos of plastic fiestas on here - especially really fast turbo ones - as it spoils my argument and they're not old skool!

[kevmk2]

0-60 is usually slower on a turbo'd escort due to wheelspin, but its the 0-100mph that is much faster, ive never heard or seen an aspirated escort do 0-100 in 6 or 7 seconds before

 

I think Dave Colledge is near the 100 in 7 seconds, but appreciate that has been slightly breathed on with the lightening brush!!

 

Never say never!

 

0-60 is usually slower on a turbo car cos there is 4 seconds of turbo lag they then only take a second to do 5mph to 60! The same can be said for the 90-100 mph time - 4 seconds to wait for the turbo 1 second to speed up 10 mph!!

 

But 'tis true - turbo car do seem to get a BIG charge on - sometimes even in time to be in the race.

 

 

You can have a turbo'd engine with close to zero lag, take a WRC spec cossie engine, 300bhp and 500ft lbs of torque and Zero lag

My mate Jasons mk2 escort had a WRC spec engine in it with a IHA roller bearing turbo and that revved up and drove like and aspirated car

I have managed 0-60 in the 2.49 seconds on 7" wide slicks at pod with 1.64 60ft and 3.1 on my R888 Toyo's with 1.78 60ft, so it cant be that laggy

And Daves car would still be quick if he added some weight back on the car, surely it doesnt need to be that stripped out, id like to see it with glass windscreen, wiring loom and full dash etc, with road tax and MOT, i reckon it would still do an 11.3 or around that, and thats just awesome for atmo power with no gas

 

I was just fookin wiv ya kev!!

 

And please don't post videos of plastic fiestas on here - especially really fast turbo ones - as it spoils my argument and they're not old skool!

 

 

Lol ok Guv

[SAF_Capri]

who much should an engine build for a 200bhp N/A XE cost? ...going dizzy and carbs to keep costs down? i read the classic ford article, seemed a little cheap?

 

any recomendations would be welcome,

 

ie..piper cams, or qed? ..basically the cheapest build to 200bhp on a N/A XE.. then compare that to the N/A cosworth?

[MK2Ed]

0-60 is usually slower on a turbo'd escort due to wheelspin, but its the 0-100mph that is much faster, ive never heard or seen an aspirated escort do 0-100 in 6 or 7 seconds before

 

I think Dave Colledge is near the 100 in 7 seconds, but appreciate that has been slightly breathed on with the lightening brush!!

 

Never say never!

 

0-60 is usually slower on a turbo car cos there is 4 seconds of turbo lag they then only take a second to do 5mph to 60! The same can be said for the 90-100 mph time - 4 seconds to wait for the turbo 1 second to speed up 10 mph!!

 

But 'tis true - turbo car do seem to get a BIG charge on - sometimes even in time to be in the race.

 

 

You can have a turbo'd engine with close to zero lag, take a WRC spec cossie engine, 300bhp and 500ft lbs of torque and Zero lag

My mate Jasons mk2 escort had a WRC spec engine in it with a IHA roller bearing turbo and that revved up and drove like and aspirated car

I have managed 0-60 in the 2.49 seconds on 7" wide slicks at pod with 1.64 60ft and 3.1 on my R888 Toyo's with 1.78 60ft, so it cant be that laggy

And Daves car would still be quick if he added some weight back on the car, surely it doesnt need to be that stripped out, id like to see it with glass windscreen, wiring loom and full dash etc, with road tax and MOT, i reckon it would still do an 11.3 or around that, and thats just awesome for atmo power with no gas

 

I was just fookin wiv ya kev!!

 

And please don't post videos of plastic fiestas on here - especially really fast turbo ones - as it spoils my argument and they're not old skool!

 

Argument spoiled…… LOL… There is still turbo lag with many road spec / performance cars though…. But as Kev says, it’s the high performers that get round by employing good intercoolers to raise compression, reduced turbo weight and inertia, pre-spin before boosting, recirculating pipes and valves and gould knows what else…

[Vista]

who much should an engine build for a 200bhp N/A XE cost? ...going dizzy and carbs to keep costs down? i read the classic ford article, seemed a little cheap?

 

any recomendations would be welcome,

 

ie..piper cams, or qed? ..basically the cheapest build to 200bhp on a N/A XE.. then compare that to the N/A cosworth?

 

You want a recommend for an XE builder? Give John Read a call he can do you a lot more than 200bhp and is a south west local too.

 

www.jreracingengines.com

[Rick]

look at that fiesta go .... *cough

[5hane]

who much should an engine build for a 200bhp N/A XE cost? ...going dizzy and carbs to keep costs down? i read the classic ford article, seemed a little cheap?

 

any recomendations would be welcome,

 

ie..piper cams, or qed? ..basically the cheapest build to 200bhp on a N/A XE.. then compare that to the N/A cosworth?

 

well my dads m8 recons some bike carbs and you an reach 200bhp that might be with cams tho.. still cheap as you like lol!

[Gonzo]

...There's just something not right about hearing a spastic fantastic fiesta make such a gorgeous noise and go *that* quick... My mind just refuses point blank to accept it.

[TwoLitrePinto]

has anyone mention the nissan RB engines????

 

RB20DET = 2.0 DOHC 24v Turbo injection straight 6 (214bhp)

RB25DET = 2.5 DOHC 24v Turbo injection straight 6 (250bhp)

RB26DETT = 2.6 DOHC 24v Twin Turbo straight 6 (277bhp)

 

these engine dont come cheap tho and i imagine you would also need the gearbox and a LOT of modification to get it to actually sit in the hole and turn the back wheels...

 

apparently RB26DETT engines can easily make 400-600bhp and with extreme internal mods can make 1340bhp!!!!!

[mossy]

has anyone mention the nissan RB engines????

 

RB20DET = 2.0 DOHC 24v Turbo injection straight 6 (214bhp)

RB25DET = 2.5 DOHC 24v Turbo injection straight 6 (250bhp)

RB26DETT = 2.6 DOHC 24v Twin Turbo straight 6 (277bhp)

 

these engine dont come cheap tho and i imagine you would also need the gearbox and a LOT of modification to get it to actually sit in the hole and turn the back wheels...

 

apparently RB26DETT engines can easily make 400-600bhp and with extreme internal mods can make 1340bhp!!!!!

 

They hadnt...as the question was for N/A engines

[w p e]

Hmm, maybe i'm getting bored!!

I know what you mean by fun on the road, i did have a 185/60 13 sized tyre 165bhp pinto a while back and it was great but now, i have more grip and i intend to do more track days etc so need/ want more power!

I dont think 230bhi (ish) is too much to ask for really, out of a 2 litre engine, i just wish that conversion parts for non ford engines were cheaper!

 

As for the WPE option......... i sincerely think it is the way to go. I know he builds great engines but i cant help wondering where i may be able to get more bang for my bucks.

There is also the fact that a N/A cossie looks great and looks RIGHT in a mk1 escort engine bay!!!

 

sam come down and have a go in kevs cortina its maiden voyage was today or call him and ask him how it goes

[Mk 1 Mark]

Hmm, maybe i'm getting bored!!

I know what you mean by fun on the road, i did have a 185/60 13 sized tyre 165bhp pinto a while back and it was great but now, i have more grip and i intend to do more track days etc so need/ want more power!

I dont think 230bhi (ish) is too much to ask for really, out of a 2 litre engine, i just wish that conversion parts for non ford engines were cheaper!

 

As for the WPE option......... i sincerely think it is the way to go. I know he builds great engines but i cant help wondering where i may be able to get more bang for my bucks.

There is also the fact that a N/A cossie looks great and looks RIGHT in a mk1 escort engine bay!!!

 

sam come down and have a go in kevs cortina its maiden voyage was today or call him and ask him how it goes

 

 

Just back from turkey and glad to here its finally back on the road

[sambo]

Kev's cortina? Didnt know he had one mate?

 

Hows your coming along Mark?

[Mk 1 Mark]

Kev's cortina? Didnt know he had one mate?

 

Hows your coming along Mark?

 

Both of the road axle off one

And other one awaiting linking and tunnel and some welding. . .

But onwards and upwards now im back of my holiday Sam

[Mk 1 Mark]

who much should an engine build for a 200bhp N/A XE cost? ...going dizzy and carbs to keep costs down? i read the classic ford article, seemed a little cheap?

 

any recomendations would be welcome,

 

ie..piper cams, or qed? ..basically the cheapest build to 200bhp on a N/A XE.. then compare that to the N/A cosworth?

 

Wayne W.P.E is the kiddy when it comes to getting Power out of an XE

But rods and pistons a set of his spec cams and followers and let wayne do his stuff

[TwoLitrePinto]

has anyone mention the nissan RB engines????

 

RB20DET = 2.0 DOHC 24v Turbo injection straight 6 (214bhp)

RB25DET = 2.5 DOHC 24v Turbo injection straight 6 (250bhp)

RB26DETT = 2.6 DOHC 24v Twin Turbo straight 6 (277bhp)

 

these engine dont come cheap tho and i imagine you would also need the gearbox and a LOT of modification to get it to actually sit in the hole and turn the back wheels...

 

apparently RB26DETT engines can easily make 400-600bhp and with extreme internal mods can make 1340bhp!!!!!

 

They hadnt...as the question was for N/A engines

 

Apologies, my mistake, i missed a vital part of the subject... they do do non turbo versions of these engines though...