pauln Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 Speak to you soon Vista. Na, I've said my piece. Besides the last 12 years of labour mismanagement of the country and economy speaks for itself. Is that why you are looking back to Thatchers times as the good old days? I'm pissed with labour but when the previous government has blown all the money and if they get back in will carry on as if the last 12 years never happened I think I will take my chance with Gorden and his fellows.
FredTransit Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 Trouble is, no matter who you vote for, the Government always gets in
Guest cortinamad-gonetoo Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 margret thatcher also let council houses be sold off she did not do anything to help the lower class the coal miner strikes affected one of my best mates familly and the mnr strikes even made fammillies which were best of friends fall out seriously the ones which had to return o work because they had no money at all were scabs scabs for trying to provide for there familly then ended up getting attacked either on thier way in to the pits or worse at their homes thatcher wasnt bothered what these people were going through
DanV Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 i must be one of few things with made in england on it Me too!
pauln Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 Trouble is, no matter who you vote for, the Government always gets in Too true, what a job though. I would'nt want a job knowing i'm going to cock it up in public. Any decision you make is going to be torn apart by the press. Any hard decision you make is going to leave you hated my whoever you affect. Is it the money or the power?
emu Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 rgret thatcher also let council houses be sold off Doesnt/didnt the right-to-buy scheme allow council house tenants to buy the house they rent at a discount under its current market value?
Admin Vista Posted March 7, 2009 Admin Report Posted March 7, 2009 Speak to you soon Vista. Na, I've said my piece. Besides the last 12 years of labour mismanagement of the country and economy speaks for itself. Is that why you are looking back to Thatchers times as the good old days? I'm pissed with labour but when the previous government has blown all the money and if they get back in will carry on as if the last 12 years never happened I think I will take my chance with Gorden and his fellows. The previous government had made all the money and handed over the reigns with full coffers and a prosperous economy. This one has frittered it all away on ridiculous quangos, jobs for the boys and fools errands. Oh and I don't specifically look back on the Thatcher years as the good old days but from where I am standing, they were better than what came before them and they were better than we've had since. thatcher wasnt bothered what these people were going through You mean Scargill wasn't bothered, it wasn't thatcher that forced them out on strike or made them stay out on strike. Scargill is now a rich man with a big fancy house, what happened to the miners he was supposed to represent? If you want to blame the real culprit for the miners demise, blame the man that led them to the edge of the precipice and told them to jump. As I said earlier Scargill took down Ted Heaths conservative government in 74, what option did Thatcher have? If the unions had won our country would have been crippled for decades.
DanV Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 rgret thatcher also let council houses be sold off Doesnt/didnt the right-to-buy scheme allow council house tenants to buy the house they rent at a discount under its current market value? Yup! My mum and dad bought thier council house about 5-6 yrs ago now. Was worth at about 130k at the time, think they paid about 45k!?!
garyv6100e Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 rgret thatcher also let council houses be sold off Doesnt/didnt the right-to-buy scheme allow council house tenants to buy the house they rent at a discount under its current market value? When the scheme was first launched the tennants got a varying percentage discount based on how long they had lived at there property up to apx 30% to 50% if you had lived in your property for over 10 years , it is different now though
emu Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 That sounds pretty helpful to me I wouldnt have minded getting a discount on my house. I think the important phrase here is 'you cant please all the people all the time' but plenty of people must have been happy with the work of the thatcher government to have voted her in for a third term.
FredTransit Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 Gary's mum bought her council house. His family was the first tenant, and he's 48, so it's not like they are depriving the market/tenants of a house, but despite that, I don't generally approve of selling off council houses. It's one reason there is such a shortage of affordable housing in the South East. And don't get me on that Westminster councillor who sold a load of to her mates for a quid each......
badchild Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 Interesting topic, never really knew much about the mining strike until a while ago but it affected over here too, my da always told me that when the strike was in full swing thats when the diesel smuggling across the border reached it's peak, not only diesel though, everything, from cattle to crop to get subsidised for it. Already would have told you Maggie was a scummy bastard, but then again, aren't all politicians??
bortaf Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 Put it this way if Maggie was still in power the country wouldn't be in such a shit state now, there'd be less imagrants sending money home (and thus out of OUR economy) less shit off the US and france and less A holes getting 600K a year for life for totaly cocking up the job they did and bringing the country to it's knees ! If you want to survive you need a Bastard at the helm, that's exactly how we won the war and kept the falklands ect, the right bastard at the right time
pauln Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 If you want to survive you need a Bastard at the helm, that's exactly how we won the war and kept the falklands ect, the right bastard at the right time Dislike of Revered Tory prime ministers must run in the family for me. My Grandmother (rip) who was of a generation old enough to remember always said churchill was a turncoat (for crossing the floor of the house) and a warmonger (after the lousitania torpedoing). I'm not sure if I totally agreed with her but if we had lost ww2 (we lost the peace afterwards) we might not have an immigrent problem if it is a problem.
Admin Vista Posted March 8, 2009 Admin Report Posted March 8, 2009 If you want to survive you need a Bastard at the helm, that's exactly how we won the war and kept the falklands ect, the right bastard at the right time Dislike of Revered Tory prime ministers must run in the family for me. My Grandmother (rip) who was of a generation old enough to remember always said churchill was a turncoat (for crossing the floor of the house) and a warmonger (after the lousitania torpedoing). I'm not sure if I totally agreed with her but if we had lost ww2 (we lost the peace afterwards) we might not have an immigrent problem if it is a problem. If we'd lost WW2 we'd have had a far bigger immigrant problem, only they'd have come from Germany instead!
pauln Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 If you want to survive you need a Bastard at the helm, that's exactly how we won the war and kept the falklands ect, the right bastard at the right time Dislike of Revered Tory prime ministers must run in the family for me. My Grandmother (rip) who was of a generation old enough to remember always said churchill was a turncoat (for crossing the floor of the house) and a warmonger (after the lousitania torpedoing). I'm not sure if I totally agreed with her but if we had lost ww2 (we lost the peace afterwards) we might not have an immigrent problem if it is a problem. If we'd lost WW2 we'd have had a far bigger immigrant problem, only they'd have come from Germany instead! Theres something i thinks we can agree on Edit. I have just come back from Brooklands. Would you believe it they only have a Merc Attraction next to the site. We did lose.
Fishtailparka Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 Maggie was Prime Minister in the eighties, not the seventies She led the conservative party from 1975 and won the general election in 1979. She was Prime Minister from May 1979 until November 1990. That wasn't really the seventies was it?
Admin Vista Posted March 9, 2009 Admin Report Posted March 9, 2009 Maggie was Prime Minister in the eighties, not the seventies She led the conservative party from 1975 and won the general election in 1979. She was Prime Minister from May 1979 until November 1990. That wasn't really the seventies was it? I don't recall saying she was PM in the 70's. In my opinion she put the country back on track after the previous government and unions (between them) royally screwed it up in the 70's.
Guest cortinamad-gonetoo Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 That sounds pretty helpful to me I wouldnt have minded getting a discount on my house. I think the important phrase here is 'you cant please all the people all the time' but plenty of people must have been happy with the work of the thatcher government to have voted her in for a third term. yes it is very helpfull if youre in the position to have been a tenant for so long that you got all this discount and were able to get a mortgage thats the problem though so many were and i dont blame them they did well but now theres not many council houses left the waiting list is endless and takes years before you reach the top of it so there you have not a thought for the lower class of people
Admin Vista Posted March 9, 2009 Admin Report Posted March 9, 2009 That sounds pretty helpful to me I wouldnt have minded getting a discount on my house. I think the important phrase here is 'you cant please all the people all the time' but plenty of people must have been happy with the work of the thatcher government to have voted her in for a third term. yes it is very helpfull if youre in the position to have been a tenant for so long that you got all this discount and were able to get a mortgage thats the problem though so many were and i dont blame them they did well but now theres not many council houses left the waiting list is endless and takes years before you reach the top of it so there you have not a thought for the lower class of people I suspect that the increased waiting list has far more to do with population growth than it does the sale of council houses to their tenants. Think about it this way, they'd have still needed to live in them whether they bought them or not. So the houses wouldn't have been available to new council tenants still on the waiting list as the old tenants would likely still have been living in them.
Guest cortinamad-gonetoo Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 That sounds pretty helpful to me I wouldnt have minded getting a discount on my house. I think the important phrase here is 'you cant please all the people all the time' but plenty of people must have been happy with the work of the thatcher government to have voted her in for a third term. yes it is very helpfull if youre in the position to have been a tenant for so long that you got all this discount and were able to get a mortgage thats the problem though so many were and i dont blame them they did well but now theres not many council houses left the waiting list is endless and takes years before you reach the top of it so there you have not a thought for the lower class of people I suspect that the increased waiting list has far more to do with population growth than it does the sale of council houses to their tenants. Think about it this way, they'd have still needed to live in them whether they bought them or not. So the houses wouldn't have been available to new council tenants still on the waiting list as the old tenants would likely still have been living in them. well yes you do have a fair point there but on the other hand if they wanted to own a house they would have had to buy one else where and that would have freed up a council house
Admin Vista Posted March 9, 2009 Admin Report Posted March 9, 2009 well yes you do have a fair point there but on the other hand if they wanted to own a house they would have had to buy one else where and that would have freed up a council house Possibly, but more than likely they would have just stayed in their council houses. Many of the people that bought council houses could only afford to do so because of the heavy discounts they were offered. Owning their own home was probably little more than a pipe dream for many of them.
shakey n his fezz Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 never really new much about this eared other than what ive seen in film but ive just had a historey lesson from you guys cheers shame englands such a shit hole and not much to be proud of any more
pauln Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 never really new much about this eared other than what ive seen in film but ive just had a historey lesson from you guys cheers shame englands such a shit hole and not much to be proud of any more Can't be that bad. Theres people from all round the world who want to come here. I'm an immigrant too, family came over in the 11th century from France and ponced off the state for a while . Personally I like it here at least half the population speaks english, i understand the money and don't owe anybody anything. I think I will stay for a while.
SmokeEm Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 What a great debate! I wasn't and am still not into politic's and would freely admit to being pretty ignorant towards it all so all I remember is Maggie introducing Poll Tax At the time, I lived with my parents in a 2 bed flat and all of a sudden, we had to pay £328 EACH for services rendered. Now i don't profess to know how much the rates were before but i know it was less than £984. At the other end, my uncle lived 6 miles away in his 6 bed house and went from paying over £2000 a year rates to 2 x £328 for him n my Auntie. - How can that be right? Someone with proper knowledge will probably enlighten me to the reasons and maybe even justify it but I swore that day (Probably immaturely & to my future detriment), that I would never vote Tory in my lifetime. Just my view on Thatcherism/Tories - No offence intended
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