Save our heritage!!!!!....*protest and rave*

[Mr Sam]

as im sure you all know.......yalla yalla

 

 

i like old building etc as well as old fords, our local council despite an uproar of public trying to saveit have decided its in best intrest to demolish the Bowstring Bridge..........yes its only a bridge but its out bridge its our history its our heritage, like when they took down the tinsley towers in sheffield yes they were just a pair of ugly cooling towers but as you went up/down the M1 and past them you knew exactly where they were and marveled in thie glory

 

and the same is happening everywhere you dont realise how iconicly brittish things are untill there gone,.,....just wait till they decide its time to take down Battersea Power Station

 

so yes pics or it didnt happen

 

 

in the red....Leicester City Council and Demonfort Uni

 

 

the rebel alliance claiming back the streets (and bridges)

 

 

everyone in, in the act team work FTW

 

 

for legal reasons i am NOT the person in the blue stripey polo shirt and i had NOTHING todo with this

[GJUK]

I say, knock the bridge down with you lot on it.

 

You cost people like me, the average tax payer (though we're becoming thin on the ground recently it seems) a lot of money. I'd rather send a couple of coppers around to sort out a rape, stabbing etc etc than convince a bunch of muppets with too much time on their hands to climb off an old bridge.

 

The bridge, looks crap anyway.

 

I mean, seriously. What makes you do things like this. Don't you have a job?

 

The above is my opinion, harsh as it may be, you do cost the tax payer money (even if not this time, if you carry on climbing **** buildings you will!)

 

Jon

[Vista]

Yep, sorry Sam but knocking it down gets my vote too. Just because something is old doesn't make it desirable and why should the public pick up the tab for policing something? We occasionally get problems with jumpers or protestors on the tamar bridge. Traffic gets disrupted, and the police have to be permanently there, push the buggers off I say

 

In the same vein, the next time "swampy" or others of his ilk dig tunnels or chain themselves to tree's to prevent a road being built (or similar) then bull doze over the top of them too

[baz105e]

im with you sam , these are the bridges etc that built our country,i'd rather see that than some charachter less new buildings full of yuppies, hats off to you for standing up for what you believe in and anyone that is sitting there slagging you off for doing so should keep thier opinions to themselves ! i obviously have too much appreciation for the people that designed and built these engineering masterpieces

[andy a]

I think that bridge is a thing of real beauty, I can just imagine it on the back of my truck heading for the weighbridge

[SmokeEm]

I have mixed opinions on this - otherwise known as a fence sitter

 

I do however know that Sam is a hard working lad that just happens to have strong opinions on our heritage. He certainly is not a drain on the tax payer as there are peeps out their sponging off our state that are far far worse.

 

Sam - if you believe then carry on - better to have one opinion than none at all

[Vista]

I think that bridge is a thing of real beauty, I can just imagine it on the back of my truck heading for the weighbridge

 

Any any any old iron?

 

He certainly is not a drain on the tax payer as there are peeps out their sponging off our state that are far far worse.

 

It wasn't my intention to imply that he is.

[baz105e]

I think that bridge is a thing of real beauty, I can just imagine it on the back of my truck heading for the weighbridge

 

Any any any old iron?

 

He certainly is not a drain on the tax payer as there are peeps out their sponging off our state that are far far worse.

 

It wasn't my intention to imply that he is.

 

dont think its you that was pointed at matey

[Wessie]

scrap prices are good atm

[bortaf]

I have mixed opinions on this - otherwise known as a fence sitter

 

I do however know that Sam is a hard working lad that just happens to have strong opinions on our heritage. He certainly is not a drain on the tax payer as there are peeps out their sponging off our state that are far far worse.

 

Sam - if you believe then carry on - better to have one opinion than none at all

 

do you have permission to sit on that fence ? if not your tresspassing "get orf my fence"

 

Personly i see it like old cars, if it's useless, scrap it, why spend good money the country obv doesn't have on policing, painting repairing ect ect a lump of scrap iron ?

[shakey n his fezz]

ask em if you can take it nown bit by bit n put it in ya garden sam

[SmokeEm]

[it wasn't my intention to imply that he is.

 

I know Scott

[GJUK]

 

dont think its you that was pointed at matey

 

 

It still costs everyone money sending police to this kind of an event.

 

If Sam works (I don't know if he does (other posts imply he does)) then its his money that's being 'wasted' as well.

 

Good on you for standing your ground but I do not agree with the method.

 

Jon

[baz105e]

fair enough dude but can you not see how to other people your post may have seemed a little offensive. im sure that wasn't your intention but to me that was how it was percieved... now give me a kiss and spread the love

[Mr Sam]

tax man screws me too,

 

 

 

petitions have been made, protests in town have been done (all nothing todo with me) but still the council dont listen, be proud of your past and fight for your future

 

 

....there could well be a mosque there in a years time

[Mr2Caps]

I have to say that I find the attack on the original post a bit harsh, as far as I can see all that happened was a sign was put up....There are a lot of buildings and structures in this country that are being neglected and demolished for no good reason other than to 'save the taxpayer money'. Would I rather see a builidng or structure of some architectural merit or an empty site? At least the bridge is interesting, even if you can't call it beautiful. It's good to have an opinion, and if necessary, make others aware of whats going on, even if they disagree. I don't think that anyone should be condemned for it.

[Vista]

It works both ways, this 60's concrete monstrosity was given grade 2 listed status by English heritage a year or so back and most of the city (including the council) was gutted by it.

 

The pic shows it when it was new and it looked bad then, today it's just horrendous

 

[Mr2Caps]

Look at why it was listed, there can be a number of reasons, usually its because of historical importance or the method employed in its construction, buildings dont get listed because they look nice.

[GJUK]

fair enough dude but can you not see how to other people your post may have seemed a little offensive. im sure that wasn't your intention but to me that was how it was percieved... now give me a kiss and spread the love

 

Yeah, I speak my mind. Oops.

[mk3cokebottle]

tax man screws me too,

 

 

....there could well be a mosque there in a years time

 

theres two bloody things that im sure we can all agree we fookin hate with a passion the tax man n dirty rag eds

 

would much rather a c of e or catholic church there

[Vista]

Look at why it was listed, there can be a number of reasons, usually its because of historical importance or the method employed in its construction, buildings dont get listed because they look nice.

 

I don't give a monkeys why it was listed I just don't want to have to look at it as it's pig ugly.

 

Here's English Heritages answer as to why it was listed, it's such a BS statement that I reckon E.H. must be staffed by politicians. What's innovative about an oblong concrete block with windows?

 

Q: WHY DID ENGLISH HERITAGE LIST THE CIVIC CENTRE?

 

A: The Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) listed this building on the advice of English Heritage. As the Government’s lead advisory body on heritage, our role is to give expert advice on whether a building has met the strict criteria for listing and is therefore considered to be nationally architecturally important. This is done very carefully and fairly and is not a subjective judgement. If a building meets these criteria we have a statutory obligation to say so.

 

English Heritage recommended that the Civic Centre was worthy of listing because of its innovative design. It is part of a very complete set of civic buildings with fine internal decoration and has unusually rich art work in the Council House, which is themed around Plymouth’s history. The building is balanced, uplifting and powerful and has a landmark position at the Southern end of the area, which formed the focus of Patrick Abercrombie’s ‘Plan for Plymouth’. Experts at the 20th Century Society and in Government also agree that this is a nationally important building.

 

And here's the voice of plymouth that was completely ignored by E.H.

 

10 reasons why the Council feels the Civic Centre should not be listed:

 

The building is not of national architectural importance. The final construction was a diluted version of its original design with cheaper materials, altered cladding and major changes to the roof.

 

It has never been a popular building locally or among many leading architects. On the opening of the Civic Centre Peter Rawstone wrote in the architecture magazine ‘Topic’ in August 1962: “The climax of the rebuilding of blitz-battered Plymouth came with the opening of the City’s new £1,600,000 civic centre by the Queen. But, architecturally, the phoenix has still to rise. The 14-storey centre, a myriad of offices for the corporation officials, has left Plymouth deader than it was. When workers go home and the lights go out this glass hulk becomes as lifeless as a galleon without wind.”

 

The building has been substantially altered over the years. Alterations include new cladding panels, partitions and dividing walls, extensions and entrances.

 

Repairing a listed building the size and age of the Civic Centre would put a massive burden on local taxpayers. The estimated £40 million cost of refurbishing the listed building will have a very serious impact on Council services and potentially jobs.

 

It is environmentally unfriendly. The cost of heating such an inefficient building is huge. The listed building status will mean it will now be extremely difficult to make it environmentally friendly.

 

It is falling apart, due to issues with the way it was built and its age. There is extensive concrete spalling caused by water getting into the steel underneath the concrete and pushing the concrete out. The windows are inadequate and all need replacing, the original lifts need expensive maintenance just to keep them going.

 

It occupies an important city centre site which would be wasted by keeping it solely for an inefficient office block. Demolishing the Civic Centre would allow a new iconic building with a range of uses that would attract investment and people into this part of the city centre.

 

Even after an expensive refurbishment the Civic Centre would not meet the Council’s needs. When the Civic Centre was built the Council had a fraction of the staff it currently has and the Council is now responsible for many more services. A modern customer-focused authority needs better facilities than the Civic Centre can provide.

 

English Heritage also says that it embodies the hopes and aspirations of post-war Plymouth, but we have a bold new vision that shows the spirit of Plymouth now, in the 21st Century. The building is of its time but has had its time. The listing sends a message that Plymouth is looking backwards when it should look forward with confidence, vision and leadership to the future.

 

The people of Plymouth are not in favour of keeping it. While there are a range of views about the building and some people do support the listing, the vast majority of comments to the Council and the local media following the listing have been strongly against it.

[Wessie]

tax man screws me too,

 

 

....there could well be a mosque there in a years time

 

theres two bloody things that im sure we can all agree we fookin hate with a passion the tax man n dirty rag eds

 

would much rather a c of e or catholic church there

 

i'll drink to that

[Trevmk3]

theres two bloody things that im sure we can all agree we fookin hate with a passion the tax man n dirty rag eds

 

i dont agree with that comment mate but im not gonna slate you for it as its your opion

[Dr Feelgood]

i thought this argument was about saving heritage not turning it into " this religion is better than that one"

 

i did agree with you sam at keeping our heritage but i find your tactics to convince people slightly below the belt and offensive to some people

[Copey]

theres two bloody things that im sure we can all agree we fookin hate with a passion the tax man n dirty rag eds

 

i dont agree with that comment mate but im not gonna slate you for it as its your opion

 

i'll slate him, King racist prick!