Has anybody Seen or read about this?

[crs2000]

http://www.the-ace.org.uk/Chassis-and-M ... ation.html

 

 

wot do ya think? will it affect us as well who modify our cars?

[lead foot]

i have heard of this from hellblue, if it does come into force we are f^&&^ed also talk of mot tickets having a section for "is this vehicle modified" then vosa will be on your case

[GJUK]

Meh, just tell them it was done in 1993 and pretend you don't know any better?

[Ken B]

This "threat" has been kicking around for a while now. ACE has just asked DVLA to clarify the points system used to base whether a car should be entitled to wear its original identity.

Sadly, and you only have to walk around the NSRA shows and other shows like our Classic Ford show at Santa Pod to see that blantantly many cars are modified way outside the 8 point minimum reqd. Bear in mind this system has been in use for over 25 years now. Many cars have not been built with any of this in mind at all. The land Rover boys are now falling foul of this, resulting from that incident here the badly modified LR fell into a river and killed 3 kids. It is only a matter of time before everyone else gets tugged. Maybe 10 years maybe next time you get MoT'd, who knows.

The problem is that now, that we have this BIVA test (replaced the SVA)which is not particularly suited to older cars, and this is where many of the problems will arise.

I think some of the clarification is a bit draconian regards body mods, but where do you draw the line. One testers opinion is going to be different to another.

From a saftey issue I'm all for it, as looking at some of the Rods that are on the road at a Knebworth Show one year, the testing needs to be be more rigourous. they might have crossed the I's and the T's from an MoT point of view but from an engineering point, some were death traps. Sadly we may get dragged into all of this as we are considered to be as modified as they are.

[Vista]

From a safety issue I'm all for it, as looking at some of the Rods that are on the road at a Knebworth Show one year, the testing needs to be be more rigorous. They might have crossed the I's and the T's from an MoT point of view but from an engineering point, some were death traps.

 

From this perspective, I have to say that I've no argument against a system that's designed to ensure that bodged death traps don't end up on the road. Even though it's another hoop to jump through, wouldn't you rather know your project was safe as opposed to dangerous? Especially if you carry your family in it.

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[Ken B]

if its a pattern part direct replacement for original component then no probs, but if you change the original say 4" dia spring, for the 2 1/4" coil overs, that would be seen as a mod I suspect.

There are loads of bits about the whole system that are confusing, hence the need to try and clarify it all.

 

 

At the end of the day, if everyone ended up on Q plates, no one would bat an eyelid. The problem you have to think about, is if they decide to IVA your vehicle, how you going to get your vehicle through.

Many of these rules are coming from the EU not our government direct. This is the governements way of allowing our modifed culture to have a future within the EU rules. Remember other EU countries do not have the classic car freedom we currently have.

[FredTransit]

To be completely honest, I have the belief that in reality this will mostly affect rods (not having a go at rods here). By that I mean not on paper, but on the street. If your car looks basically original (ie it looks like what is says on the log book) you will be fine.

 

These rules have been around for years, and has anybody actually met an owner who has had their V5 withdrawn? If you are going to build a car from the ground up, then slap a tax exempt ID on it, you are going to put yourself in the DVLA's firing line.

 

Like I said in the pother thread, the DVLA know what you tell them. VOSA go on what's on the DVLA's records. The main time you will come up against a DVLA sanctioned/qualified person is at MOT time. If you go to an OSF freindly station, why would they grass you up? If you car is unsafe, it will fail the MOT, and rightly so!

[Vista]

The main time you will come up against a DVLA sanctioned/qualified person is at MOT time. If you go to an OSF freindly station, why would they grass you up? If you car is unsafe, it will fail the MOT, and rightly so!

 

They'll grass you up quick as a flash if VOSA introduce a check box that says "Has the car been modified?"

 

Why? Well because for the honest ones at least, it's their livelihood at stake and few people will risk that no matter how classic friendly they are. I'm quite friendly with the owners of my local garage that MOT my car and I wouldn't expect them to risk their business by looking the other way for my sake.

[Ken B]

 

These rules have been around for years, and has anybody actually met an owner who has had their V5 withdrawn? If you are going to build a car from the ground up, then slap a tax exempt ID on it, you are going to put yourself in the DVLA's firing line.

 

Like I said in the pother thread, the DVLA know what you tell them. VOSA go on what's on the DVLA's records. The main time you will come up against a DVLA sanctioned/qualified person is at MOT time. If you go to an OSF freindly station, why would they grass you up? If you car is unsafe, it will fail the MOT, and rightly so!

 

 

There is an increasing number of people building up cars that have been off the road for years. In some cases not on the DVLA system. When these cars come up for re registering, some are being spot checked, and then recommended for IVA testing because they have been modified beyond their original condition. I've also heard this week about 2 VW owners who modified their Beetles to Beach Buggies, then discovered it was virtually impossible/too costly to get them through an IVA. The vehicles lost their original ID's.

Remember DVLA can request an examination at any point if they suspect somethings amiss, colour changes, engines changes ,all give a clue something is going on.

[Retromotorsport]

Cant get your car through the 8 POINT IVA ... oh dear, i've got a Q plate issued.

 

End of the world? does it devalue a car? no, a modified car is normally worth more than a concourse car, and costs a damm site less to build.

And anyone turning up to buy a modified car, and its on original plates not a 'Q' they will know that it hasnt been listed properly or examined..

Pretty soon Q's will increase the value of a car.

[bortaf]

Cant get your car through the 8 POINT IVA ... oh dear, i've got a Q plate issued.

 

End of the world? does it devalue a car? no, a modified car is normally worth more than a concourse car, and costs a damm site less to build.

And anyone turning up to buy a modified car, and its on original plates not a 'Q' they will know that it hasnt been listed properly or examined..

Pretty soon Q's will increase the value of a car.

 

with you there

for years Q plates have had a stigma about em but soon it'll be a badge of honor

All Q reg number plates will by law have to have the song line at the top

" i fought the law and the law won"

Q car anyone? a whole new scene lable there, sod Z cars i want a Q car, cue images of 007 gadgets on a 2CV (pun intended)

 

Lets be honist the main reason people want to keep a plate is cos it's a fee tax one and the main reason they are clamping down is cos of all the later cars rung onto earlyer plates so the scene only has itself to blame on that score

[FredTransit]

 

Lets be honist the main reason people want to keep a plate is cos it's a fee tax one and the main reason they are clamping down is cos of all the later cars rung onto earlyer plates so the scene only has itself to blame on that score

 

Totally agree with you there, it's never really about safety when it's to do with the DVLA, they only want yer tax money out of you! That having said, would the shift from PLG to a Q plate change a vehicle to a higher, modern tax bracket? If so we would all be worse off.

As for a 'Has the vehicle been modified' box on the MOT, I would like the definition of modification. Strictly speaking, changing a 4 speed to a 5 speed is modification, and will loose you 2 of the 8 points to keep the ID. If that's the case, I own at least 5 modified vans, and one of them should not have it's original registration number by the letter of the points system. They all do have MOTs though, mostly class7.

[Retromotorsport]

Hmm Fred you've got me thinking there ... stick a 'Q' plate on a rally car, and call it an agricutral vehical (most rally eascorts are anyeay ) and then its what.. 70 a year tax

[FredTransit]

I was thinking more what's the road tax on a 2010 Mk2 escort? Cos once Q plated, it's re regis6tered in that year.

[Fiesta Steve]

I was thinking more what's the road tax on a 2010 Mk2 escort? Cos once Q plated, it's re regis6tered in that year.

 

Tax goes by the build date doesn't it. Thats how late registered cars still get tax free.

[FredTransit]

If it's a Q plate, it won't be tax free. The best you can hope for is PLG.

[Vista]

There's no such thing as a tax exempt mk2 escort anyway and I don't see how they could be recategorised by CO2 output so the worst that could happen is PLG........................which is what they are now anyway.

[FredTransit]

That's what I said, but I am not sure if Q plates end up with the CO2 acceptable levels of the year they are registered in. Though thinking back now, I remember somebody telling me Q plates are not CO2 tested due to many of them having no build date.

[Fiesta Steve]

That's what I said, but I am not sure if Q plates end up with the CO2 acceptable levels of the year they are registered in. Though thinking back now, I remember somebody telling me Q plates are not CO2 tested due to many of them having no build date.

 

What about late registered Mk1 Escorts ? Just because its on a Q it won't lose its build date.

 

Emissions go by the year of the engine anyhow, so an old Crossflow or Pinto will go through no trouble

[FredTransit]

Well no it's usually on the registration number, unless you can prove the age of the engine. Just saying the part number or engine number makes it X date won't do. A lot of ours are diesel conversions, with Mk5 transit engines, but they get tested as 1985/6, despite the banana DI not being out till the mid 90s.

[vibrating_Cake]

Hmm Fred you've got me thinking there ... stick a 'Q' plate on a rally car, and call it an agricutral vehical (most rally eascorts are anyeay ) and then its what.. 70 a year tax

 

send it through the test with tractor wheels and tyres on and a chock off tow bar and maybe you're onto something!

[zetecmk2]

i don't mind having "q" plates on my cars, the problem is, to get the plate, i will have to change loads!! (bullet mirrors, interior switches, steering column etc)

how much if a 1960's car will not go through the iva is enough to make most osf's track day only!!!

i'm building a gt40, and the sole hurdle i have is building it so i can register it!!

i hate all this crap......yeah, there are saftey issues....but even more so, it's a revinue earner!!! you must comply with the iva to register your car, then, once you've got it registered, you can change all the switches, lights etc to more period stuff that ,if fitted before, would have failed the test!!!

some kitcar clubs have "iva kits" that you can hire to get your car registered, then someone else hires it for thier test and you change all the accesories to what you want......madness!

and £450 a test, with a re test always needed.....yes....revinue earner!!!

[FredTransit]

That's the main objection I have to this. It's never about security and safety, it's all about money, and it's an insult to our intelligence for the gov to think that we believe it's anything else! If it really was about safety, why else would it be OK to drive a totally stock 1960s car and yet that very same car (if called for) would fail an IVA? That's just hypocrisy! How is one type of switch not acceptable on one test but acceptable on another? I am not talking major things here, just petty stuff. A standard 1960s dash switch will neither kill you or save you from serious injury.

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