Burning Poppies

[Vista]

We welcomed them when it suited us.

 

Youve missed the point. Me, your grandmother and most other people NEVER welcomed them... why would we??? how does lower wages, higher unemployment and a greater burden on shools and hospitals help the existing population? ...It only benefits employers.

 

as for PMs - do you know what the P stands for? PRIVATE

 

 

No I haven't missed the point at all, you have. Whether they / you (if you are genuinely old enough to remember it) welcomed them or not, the country needed the work force to help rebuild it as so many men had been lost or crippled in world war 2. It was only the racist bigots (such as my grandmother) that weren't able to see that and treated them so poorly when they did arrive.

 

My closest friend is from Grenada and the stories he tells me of how badly his parents and his sister and himself were treated by people when they came here in the early 60's are shameful. Even as recently as the 70's it was considered acceptable to ridicule people on the basis of the colour of their skin and to be openly biased against them in the work place. Most days I thank F**k those days are over but still on occasion I'm embarrassed by some gutter white trash shouting "go home nigger" at him. Last time it happened, it was a girl of about 19, drunk as a skunk and quite clearly destined for a life sponging off the tax payer with 5 kids from different fathers. I know who I'd rather get rid of.

 

Indeed I do know what the P in PM stands for which is why I was warning you not to send me anything further by PM that you do not wish posted on the forum. Clear now?

[capri71]

Vista, you and the copy/paster have no point. Your trying to be all holier than thou, calling others bigots etc... I suggest you read, learn and open your mind to reality more.

 

 

I sent you a pm, you replied and I replied to that. That was days ago and Ive not sent you any other PMs so get over it and stop waving it around like a threat.

[Vista]

think this has gone way off topic.

 

They tend to do that.

 

Vista, you and the copy/paster have no point. Your trying to be all holier than thou, calling others bigots etc... I suggest you read, learn and open your mind to reality more.

 

How do I have no point? The point is, prosecuting and deporting the guilty in the original post in this thread is acceptable and right, persecuting an entire race or religion because you don't like them, don't trust them or want to punish them for the acts of a few, is not. In fact, it could be called ethnic cleansing, not a nice term really eh?

 

As to read and learn? You're pulling my pisser right? It's because I'm well read that I know that opinions and stand points such as yours are unacceptable to most of our society. Holier than thou? No I just recognise the difference between right and wrong.

[bigdaz27]

Vista, you and the copy/paster have no point. Your trying to be all holier than thou, calling others bigots etc... I suggest you read, learn and open your mind to reality more.

 

Sorry but you need to read and learn The Definition of bigoted is having such strong opinions about a group of people that you are unwilling to listen to anyone else's opinions. So you and some of the others on here are obviously bigoted.

[petrolhead]

My bit

 

Bigoted? He (Vista) has strong opinions as do nearly all the people who have posted on this thread. He has listened (which is why he replied) but he doesn't agree with some of you.

 

Making logical well thought out counter-points is not 'Holier than Thou'.

 

I think we all agree that the Poppy Burners should be deported or prosecuted at the very least.

[sambo]

Regarding the poppy burning.

I was not interested in anything related to Muslims or Islam etc but after that i have looked into it quite alot.

 

To me, all i can see of the Muslim religion is hate, doctrination and brutalilty.

Just check the laws of islam...the Sharia law. Pretty damn sick stuff. Ancient, and barbaric.

You never hear Muslims condemning the behaviour of the so called extremists. Which is why people tar them with the same brush. Like i said before, it seems that all Muslims are secretly condoning the behaviour of the few shitbag 'extremeists'.

The Muslim community could do itself a favour and speak out publically condemming the behaviour of the few arsholes. But they dont.

[Vista]

I agree Sam, moderate Muslims could and perhaps should do more to speak out against the actions of those within their ranks, especially if the twisted rantings of some Muslim clerics aren't shared as views by the Muslim community as a whole.

 

So why don't they? This is only my supposition but if I were in their position I'm not sure I'd be too keen to set my self up as a potential target for their suicide bombers either. Safer to privately condemn it but publicly say nothing.

 

As to Sharia law, that's a whole new can of worms as it is not all things to all men. Different Muslims interpret it differently (though all believe it is Gods law). Even Sunni and Shia muslims see it differently

[sambo]

But the fundamentals are the same, the main being the degredation of women.

Its all barbaric and has no place in the modern world. Anyone wishing it is seriously deluded and unfortunatley that is about 50% of Muslims (including women???).

 

The funny thing is, Scott; when muslims blow up a London bus killing what? 57 people? they will not come out and condemn the actions of the radicals but as soon as someone draws a picture of thier god Muhammed, all hell breaks loose and everyone of them is offended, shouting about it on TV etc. Even death threats!

 

Its a bit backwards in my eyes.

 

All that i can see of Islam is brutalilty and total backwards, out of date foolishness. I have not heard one good thing about thier beliefs. I know bad press always dominates but they do nothing to help thier image in the eyes on non-muslims.

 

i am sure there are good things about the Muslim faith, but i have not heard of any???

[Vista]

Yes there's a lot of bad press and I can't say I've heard much positive either. But remember, positive news doesn't sell papers and the business about it being degrading to women is not wholly accurate. Yes there are countries that choose a literal interpretation and insist women cover up, even some that insist they aren't to be educated (as Afghanistan was under the Taliban I believe) but my understanding is that these practices are not specifically written anywhere in their holy book and are instead how those countries and the extreme preachers there choose to interpret their holy word.

 

Have you ever tried reading the bible? The way it's written, half the stuff in there is way beyond my understanding so if I lived in some impoverished shack with nil / little education and a preacher told me it meant XYZ and if I followed it then when I died I'd find myself in heaven surrounded by virgins, I suppose I'd believe it too.

 

You're quite correct about the moderate Muslims not doing enough to distance themselves from and denounce the extremists though.

 

P.S. Mohammed wasn't a God, he was a Prophet.

[sambo]

Exactly. Docrination.

 

Crazy bar-stewards.

[capri71]

Vista, you and the copy/paster have no point. Your trying to be all holier than thou, calling others bigots etc... I suggest you read, learn and open your mind to reality more.

 

Sorry but you need to read and learn The Definition of bigoted is having such strong opinions about a group of people that you are unwilling to listen to anyone else's opinions. So you and some of the others on here are obviously bigoted.

 

I have listened/read yours and Vistas comments, therefore I am not a bigot.

The views you two express are just evidence that you are conformist, politicly correct, sheep who know nothing about the reality of mass imigration to our country.

As for right and wrong Vista, and being well read... brainwashed is more like it.

[Vista]

That's laughable.

 

I give up, some people are just incapable of seeing (or countering) a reasoned viewpoint. If there's been any brainwashing done it was on you and probably by someone from the BNP

[Nicks53]

If being called politically correct means not saying/thinking the word negro with two Gs then count me in.

[jimbo]

That's laughable.

 

I give up, some people are just incapable of seeing (or countering) a reasoned viewpoint.

 

Well it was a nice attempt Vista (and Daz). If I wasn't so busy with work, I'd have given this thread my usual tuppence-worth (about eight pages).

 

I just think that it's sadly ironic to think that, as part of remembrance, we remember the hundreds-of-thousands of lives sacrificed fighting against the genocide of the Nazis, and now it comes up suggested as a rational option.

 

Bet they'd be delighted to see that they gave their lives for that.

[capri71]

want to know why people burn poppies? panorama on now bb1

 

Vista - recognising that the muslim faith and its followers present a serious problem for Britain doesn't make me a bigot, or a follower of any particular political persuasion, otherwise the BNP would win elections by landslide.

 

 

You seem to be the extremist - you think that because I think its wrong for ta person to pay £51m for a vase, I must be a communist - thats quite a leap.

[mk3cokebottle]

 

Indeed I do know what the P in PM stands for which is why I was warning you not to send me anything further by PM that you do not wish posted on the forum. Clear now?

 

This is one of the things that really annoys me about you vista , sureley having the responsibility and trust from the person who owns the website to become admin does make u look a bit silly when you threaten people with posting there pm's for everybody to veiw ....... you shouldnt be warning anyone mate if you dont want to pm back then dont reply dont try n throw ya weight around because of you status on the site and make other people feel as if anything they send you is going to be posted for all to see ..... doing things like that you just lose peoples trust

 

your highly opinionated about alot of things and regularly upset people on the site with your veiws generally going against what everybody else is saying so dont be upset when you get there veiws in a pm , im sure alot of what you say wouldnt be said at all if you were stood in front of them at a show or meet would it

 

your very clever with words and some of what you say has alot of sense behind but also on the other hand alot of what you say either doesnt need to be said at all or is just posted to stir the thread up a bit most of the time .

 

just think one day all the people that you annoy will meet you at shows n stuff and some of what you say will turn around and bite you on your arse not everyone just turns a blind eye to bitcheness or being put down someone will just turn round and put you on ya arse .

 

im not being an ar5ehole or trying to row its just observation and thought it was about time someone said something as i know that its not just me that feels this way and would rather you think a little bit before posting than getting a fat lip from someone at a show during the year and being mad ta look like a tit

[Grizzley Dell]

now now girls, put your claws away and play nicely

 

we all have our oppinions and thats what makes life interesting.

[Vista]

we all have our oppinions and thats what makes life interesting.

 

Well said

 

As to the above, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. We're all entitled to state them. That's what forums are about.

 

What specifically annoys you, the fact that I don't agree with you? The fact that you can't counter the points I make or something else?

 

Either way, I offer no apology for having an opinion on things I have experience of, even if it differs from the majority. Just because a majority of people hold an opinion doesn't make it right. For instance, the majority might think that paedophiles should be burned at the stake (I happen to agree) but that doesn't make it right does it?

 

PM's? I did not threaten to post PM's he has already sent. They were sent on the understanding that they were Private and as such they will remain so. I cautioned against sending any-more as I don't wish to discuss the topic behind closed doors. A two way discussion that no - one else can be involved in is a pointless argument. A discussion on the forum is a useful debate.

 

Fat lip? Bring it on, I'm plenty big enough to give and receive them. It seems a bit childish when anyone involved can have their say though.

 

Oh and yes if we were discussing this in person I would say all that I've said in this thread.

[sambo]

Bloody hell chaps

 

Did anyone watch panorama last night? Fooking shocking really.

These Muslim schools are teaching the kids that anyone other than followers of Islam are the 'enemy'. Its disgusting.

The schools are visited by 'speakers' of the faith and these speakers are known for inciting hate. they have no place in these schools, yet alone Britain.

 

Watching that program last night has done nothing but cement my views on the subject. They are going for total islamisation of Britain and Europe. That much is very clear. Everyone who does not believe is the enemy.

To me, that is scary, to think that these simpletons live thier life by this and so many are within our walls.

[Stiggy]

[Grizzley Dell]

i fooking love that puppet

[Retromotorsport]

Sitting entirely on the fence of reason ...

 

Some History

 

The Crusades, when Christians went over to the ' Holy Lands' with the sole purpose of exterminating the Muslim Faith .. they killed millions

 

The Koran and the Bible, same book different spellings,

both have one god, both have 12 followers, disciples and prophets

 

Move forward a bit

 

1939-45

 

A foriegn aggressor walks over your country, locks up or kills your leaders, your Prime minister is exiled.. and some countrymen fight back, blowing up convoys, packing trains with explosives and sending them to the aggressors homeland, all the time being helped by the country that your leader is living in.. these Heroes .

 

move on a few years ...

 

1979-88

A foriegn aggressor walks over your country, locks up or kills your leaders, your Prime minister is exiled.. and some countrymen fight back, blowing up convoys, packing trains with explosives and sending them to the aggressors homeland, all the time being helped by and funded by a superpower, who trains your resistance fighters and arms them .. these Heroes .

 

One lot is the French Resistance, the others are Mujahideen (Taliban),

 

Later when that superpower decided after the Mujahideen had defeated the Russians, they would force upon the Afghans a goverment friendly to the USA, a thing that the Mujahideen thought was wrong, they fought to free their country, and teh people wanted them to lead it after, so a civil war starts, and the USA backed Norther Alliance is now fighting the renamed Mujahideen, now called Taliban ..

Missiles from the US where fired into the Taliban lands, killing thousands.

This was in late '88

The Taliban, and Afghan people wanted the US to saty out of their politics..

But know, the US decided to invade..

Now go back to the French resistance, the original users of IED's. They thought to be able to free THIER country.. just like teh Afghans are doing.

 

Yet one are Heroes, and one Terrorists ..

 

Thats the History

 

The Muslims have suffered a lot at the hands of the Christians .. a hell of a lot.

 

Now that leads us to the present day, and the small minority that cause trouble, and stir up hatred to their neighbours, causeing unrest, exactly what they want to achieve is on these pages.

 

By saying ' these muslim pigs need to be thrown out' your playing into what they want, that they are persecuted .. so dont play their game.

Most, teh vast majority of Muslims in this country, do not hold the same views as the ones inciting hatred.

In fact in Luton a crowd from a Mosque chased, and indeed caught a few of the Extremists and battered them.. Muslim against Extremist Muslim.

On the other hand you have White extremist that call for muslims to be hung, burned or evicted from their homes..

If we as a country kick out all Foriegn nationals we loose what, a couple of million.. if all the countries that English people have emigrated to also take that view.. woooaahhhh we are in trouble

 

The entire white population of America needs to find homes and jobs in England.. followed by the Aussies.. followed by ... followed by ..

The English are in every country in the world ..

A country of 56 million loses say 10million .. and gains 150million people

 

being silly now though arnt i.. that wouldnt happen.

 

 

So lets put it in perspective and facts

 

Its a small minority on both sides that stir up hatred..

as born out by the members here, not one muslim member has posted anything derogotary... and out of the thousamds of members, on what..10-20 people have posted ..

 

By ranting and raving ... you play into the Extremists hands.. they are bullies, ignore them and they go away.. also bear in mind, a lot of those Hate preachers where called John Smith or another English name untill they grew a beard and became Muslim. But not a True Muslim. they could just have easily joined the NF , but they wernt recruiting on that particular Wednesday ..

 

Also remember, quite a few of those bodies bought back from Afghanistan in a Union Flag draped coffin, carried by men in the Queens uniform are Muslim.

 

 

And remember.. there was no Taliban attacks on the British untill America got us involved over there..

We learned from NI, pull the troops out and the Bombings stop in England.. they will still kill each other in their own country.. but they do stop in ours.

 

 

Remeber also.. we are Brits.. and friends on ths site, dont let the minority of Hate campainers turn us against each other.

[sambo]

History and politics aside, these people are preaching hate to their children on our soil.

When i say preaching i mean brainwashing.

All religion is wrong to be forced upon young minds, i think you'll find that if kids were not indoctrinated at a young age then as an adult, they would realise what a load of crap it all is.

 

The Islam faith preaches that the Western world is evil (or as far as i have seen), with all the decadence etc and they want to replace that with barbaric Shaiah law from the middle ages where the treatment of women is shocking and it is perfectly ok for men to fornicate with children.

 

Again, i mention that program last night and one of the rules of the school was that females are not allowed to venture out of the house unless it is absolutley neccessary.

 

Ah well, that bit i agree with

[Mk2Jo]

Religion certainly has a lot to answer for

[SmokeEm]

Religion certainly has a lot to answer for

 

Never a truer word spoken