Burning Poppies

[Grizzley Dell]

i would ban all religion, they all piss me off.

i was brought up christian & now im a big boy i reckon its all a crock off sheet invented to give feeble minded people some hope that death aint the end.

 

face it all of ya..... WHEN YOUR DEAD THATS IT. THE END DO NOT PASS GO DO NOT COLLECT £200

[sambo]

Yup, from the days when the earth was flat.

 

Just ancient wives tales that have somehow survived thanks to nutjobs installing fear into young minds.

 

I may get some stick for saying this but back onto the topic of the Islamisation of Britain, is it fair to say that if certain countries did not have the oil reserves, they would contribute nothing to the world and they would still be living in the dark ages?

Thanks to thier strong beliefs? since they see the modern, Western world as evil?

 

Just a thought???

[FredTransit]

All those people with the same imaginary friend, can't all be wrong?

[filicapri]

All those people with the same imaginary friend, can't all be wrong?

 

They need to find another hobby

[FredTransit]

Indeed, TBH until somebody can prove they have met one of the many Gods, I'm not joining in with any of em.

[filicapri]

Indeed, TBH until somebody can prove they have met one of the many Gods, I'm not joining in with any of em.

 

[Grizzley Dell]

I AM GOD

[filicapri]

[zetecmk2]

you are your only god......i just wish everyone could see that....it's simple!

[mk1estate]

for fooks sake close this thread, i cant see any end to it, it will just go on and on and on. Out of interest are there any muslim members who has anything to say.....on second thoughts best keep quiet as there seems to be a lot of bigots on here.

BIGOT...person intolerant or not receptive to ideas of others esp on religion etc...collins compact dictionary

[Grizzley Dell]

if thats the case im a biggot and never even knew it. yippee

 

not only against mussies i will add. all religion..

[capri71]

Sambo, I saw that Panorama - I posted in this thread as it was starting...

 

The programme proved some of the points I was making to VIsta by pm actually... that the muslim faith is intrinsically extreme and that the individuals who burnt those poppies are NOT a minority from which the rest of muslim society distances itself.

 

As, they showed, muslims HATE western, non muslim culture and bring up their children to feel the same way. It also showed that the muslim establishment deceives the culturally British society by claiming that they seek only peace, equality and harmony when in truth they slander, defame and plot against us... yes I said US, as in THEM AND US - thats the reallity.

 

Theres no need to enter this debate with looooong boring posts full of your own version of history - its 2011... what happened 1000 years, 20 years or 2 years ago doesn't change the fact that we need to do something NOW.

 

The main obstacle to sorting the problem out is people like vista and copy/paster who confuse the issue with their brainwashed, propaganda tinged, goverment line of shite.

 

The U.k is OVERPOPULATED and has NEVER needed uneducated non english speaking immigrants - theyve been brought in in their millions since the war because the rich factory owners and large employers WANTED them so they could drive wages down for the working classes. Our society is poorer for it but a few powerful individuals have profited at our expense.

 

And don't nobody even try to give me all that post war labour shortage shite - simply put, if theres a shortage of people in the country to feed and cloth etc, etc, then why would we need to maintain pre war levels of productivity??? its pure shite and where has it got us anyway? whats become of british manufacturing? british engineering?

[Stiggy]

[sambo]

Sambo, I saw that Panorama - I posted in this thread as it was starting...

 

The programme proved some of the points I was making to VIsta by pm actually... that the muslim faith is intrinsically extreme and that the individuals who burnt those poppies are NOT a minority from which the rest of muslim society distances itself.

 

As, they showed, muslims HATE western, non muslim culture and bring up their children to feel the same way. It also showed that the muslim establishment deceives the culturally British society by claiming that they seek only peace, equality and harmony when in truth they slander, defame and plot against us... yes I said US, as in THEM AND US - thats the reallity.

 

Theres no need to enter this debate with looooong boring posts full of your own version of history - its 2011... what happened 1000 years, 20 years or 2 years ago doesn't change the fact that we need to do something NOW.

 

The main obstacle to sorting the problem out is people like vista and copy/paster who confuse the issue with their brainwashed, propaganda tinged, goverment line of shite.

 

The U.k is OVERPOPULATED and has NEVER needed uneducated non english speaking immigrants - theyve been brought in in their millions since the war because the rich factory owners and large employers WANTED them so they could drive wages down for the working classes. Our society is poorer for it but a few powerful individuals have profited at our expense.

 

And don't nobody even try to give me all that post war labour shortage shite - simply put, if theres a shortage of people in the country to feed and cloth etc, etc, then why would we need to maintain pre war levels of productivity??? its pure shite and where has it got us anyway? whats become of british manufacturing? british engineering?

 

I gotta say, i agree mate. Well, from what i can see this is the truth anyway.

Maybe i dont have knowledge to form any strong opinion but this is how it seems to me too.

[Vista]

Sambo, I saw that Panorama - I posted in this thread as it was starting...

 

The programme proved some of the points I was making to VIsta by pm actually... that the muslim faith is intrinsically extreme and that the individuals who burnt those poppies are NOT a minority from which the rest of muslim society distances itself.

 

As, they showed, muslims HATE western, non muslim culture and bring up their children to feel the same way. It also showed that the muslim establishment deceives the culturally British society by claiming that they seek only peace, equality and harmony when in truth they slander, defame and plot against us... yes I said US, as in THEM AND US - thats the reallity.

 

Theres no need to enter this debate with looooong boring posts full of your own version of history - its 2011... what happened 1000 years, 20 years or 2 years ago doesn't change the fact that we need to do something NOW.

 

The main obstacle to sorting the problem out is people like vista and copy/paster who confuse the issue with their brainwashed, propaganda tinged, goverment line of shite.

 

The U.k is OVERPOPULATED and has NEVER needed uneducated non english speaking immigrants - theyve been brought in in their millions since the war because the rich factory owners and large employers WANTED them so they could drive wages down for the working classes. Our society is poorer for it but a few powerful individuals have profited at our expense.

 

And don't nobody even try to give me all that post war labour shortage shite - simply put, if theres a shortage of people in the country to feed and cloth etc, etc, then why would we need to maintain pre war levels of productivity??? its pure shite and where has it got us anyway? whats become of british manufacturing? british engineering?

 

That (in general) is a pretty well balanced argument (hurrah) Not one I agree with all aspects of but a well balanced viewpoint all the same.

 

For the record, I am NOT in favour of mass immigration, I am NOT against increasing controls on the rate of immigration into this country (on the contrary their lax immigration policy was one of the reasons I wanted to see Labour out of office)

 

I do not believe however that it is anything more than the minority of Muslims that act and believe in this manner. If we really had 1.4 million Islamic terrorists or terrorist sympathisers in this country then acts of extreme violence such as the London bus bombings would be a weekly occurrence such as they were during the Irish troubles. In fact they happened five years ago. This does not mean I think it will never happen again, it means I think that in reality they have insufficient numbers of supporters here to have the funds and backing to increase their activities. Ergo their supporters amongst the muslim community are in the minority.

 

Panorama? Yes an interesting program and certainly one that paints their faith in a bad light and the practice should be looked into at Muslim faith schools..............but like most Panorama episodes (and I watch most) they're TV propaganda, sort of a Daily Mail for the small screen.

 

My point was and remains solely that the persecution of an entire race or religion because you don't like or want them here is not only immoral (remember quoting morals to me in the vase thread Capri71? Your morals here are strangely opposed to those you were professing to have in that thread) it's against this countries laws...............innocent until proven guilty right? Or shall we sweep that one away too in an attempt to rid ourselves of anyone we think might be a threat?

 

So, let's say (for the sake of argument) we rid ourselves of all the muslims (black, white, asian etc etc) who's next in the firing line? Or do you think it would stop there once we have a government in place that is so far to the extreme right that they would carry out such actions?

 

I'm far from being brainwashed, I just don't see things from the same viewpoint as you and will never accept that it's ok to mistreat such a huge section of our population just because their presence is undesirable to some elements of our society.

[Grizzley Dell]

So, let's say (for the sake of argument) we rid ourselves of all the muslims (black, white, asian etc etc) who's next in the firing line? Or do you think it would stop there once we have a government in place that is so far to the extreme right that they would carry out such actions?

 

 

northeners

[Vista]

So, let's say (for the sake of argument) we rid ourselves of all the muslims (black, white, asian etc etc) who's next in the firing line? Or do you think it would stop there once we have a government in place that is so far to the extreme right that they would carry out such actions?

 

 

northeners

 

Good call, but who would take them?

[Retromotorsport]

So all Muslims are extremists .. thats laughable at best, slander at worse.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... unity.html

 

read the story..

[Retromotorsport]

On another point .. our fathers , mothers, garandfathers and grandma's all hated Hitler, because he decided he wanted to govern the World ..

 

Now we have the USA invading countries and putting them under Martial Law, the same as Hitler did, including curfews, The French Police still policed in France, under the control of the Germans.

You Have a foriegn army in Irag and Afghanistan telling its people what they can and cant do,

Just like the Germans did in WW2 and we, the Brits went to war against them..

Its not the Muslims or the English that is causing the Hate.. its the Americans.

 

If we have to blame someone, blame them. Tell them to stop involving themselves all over teh World, because one day it wont be Poppies burning in London, it will be London when the North Koreans or China decide enough is enough.

 

Again .. History, learn from our mistakes.

Because history it what teaches us right from wrong.

 

Late 90's the USA try to dictate to the Afghan people who should run them..

2001 and the Americans invade Afghanistan , the Taliban strike back at the Americans, (or did they ? but thats another story) and in 2005 the Taliban struck at the other side of the invasion force and we had the 77 bombings, which narrowly missed my wife, who was heading for a conference in Russel Square.

 

So we have a country attacking the forces that have invaded them, just like the French, the Polish did to the Germans..

 

Whose right, whose wrong..

 

The Americans for getting us involved .

[Retromotorsport]

As for the BBC reporting ... well its teh Bullshit Broadcasting Corperation.

 

Their reports are so smattered with hearsay and dramatisation its hard to belive what they say..

 

They got it wrong on the weather..

The BBC / panorama have wasted loads of money producing Global warming programes.. and yet anyone who has seen the Evidence from the Vostok Ice Core knows that the earth goes through a heat cycle / high Co2 period every 125,000 years.. and infact, this cycles Co2 is lower than previous cycles..

they slammed BP ( Beyond Petrolium) when the American Comapany Transocean contracted the American Company Halliburton to work on their USA based rig.. a rig that was tapping into oil in the ground owned by BP..

And they slated BP daily, calling for Action against BP by teh goverment..

Whilst letting of the Americans scoot free.

 

So.. the programme , which i must admit i didnt watch, is probably tainted with the drama inducing writing that teh BBC produces.. Which is often very one sided .

[capri71]

Vista, how does my objection to a multimillionaires spending an obscene amount of money on a trinket in any way contradict or preclude my views on immigration and concerns about the inherent extremism of the muslim faith?

 

The only way I can connect the two is to say that my views in both arguments attack wrong doers - muslim poppy burners who bite the hand that feeds and selfish millionaires who waste money while others starve.

 

As for whos next... ANYONE who wants to come here, take advantage of us and stab us in the back - as a country, we need to grow some balls and reclaim some of the respect the rest of the world had for us in the past.

[Retromotorsport]

- as a country, we need to grow some balls and reclaim some of the respect the rest of the world had for us in the past.

 

Now that I do agree with... and i would start by telling teh USA that we are not going to be their Elite First Deployment Squad ...

"chuck teh Brits into Helmand ..once they knocked down the Taliban, we'll take over and claim the Victory.

 

I also agree with the Immigration policies and benefits shake up.. you cant blame people for taking advantage of a system, its the systems fault.

[Vista]

Vista, how does my objection to a multimillionaires spending an obscene amount of money on a trinket in any way contradict or preclude my views on immigration and concerns about the inherent extremism of the muslim faith?

 

In one thread you are criticising others for having low morals based on the choices they make with their money. In this one you are showing low morals by advocating the persecution of a huge number of people, the majority of whom have done no wrong.

 

I have no issues on your views regarding changes to our immigration policy, indeed I probably agree with them. It's your proposal for dealing with those already here (legally) that I find morally objectionable.

[capri71]

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In one thread you are criticising others for having low morals based on the choices they make with their money. In this one you are showing low morals by advocating the persecution of a huge number of people...

 

...It's your proposal for dealing with those already here (legally) that I find morally objectionable.

 

HOLD YOUR HORSES!!! WHERE exactly do I advocate persecuting anyone? quote me where applicable please!

 

MY PROPOSAL?? what? not letting them take the piss and deporting the ones that do? I think thats bloody moral compared to what would happen to any of us if we so much as looked at them the wrong way in their country (of origin)

 

You make out like I suggested stoning them to death or cutting their heads/hand/feet off - you know, the stuff they like to do to shoplifters and adulterers.

[Boreham]

 

You make out like I suggested stoning them to death or cutting their heads/hand/feet off - you know, the stuff they like to do to shoplifters and adulterers.

 

now that's integration...

 

excepting other traditions....

 

and practicing them in the hoast country..

 

 

I like it..