Admin Vista Posted November 25, 2010 Admin Report Posted November 25, 2010 ] In one thread you are criticising others for having low morals based on the choices they make with their money. In this one you are showing low morals by advocating the persecution of a huge number of people... ...It's your proposal for dealing with those already here (legally) that I find morally objectionable. HOLD YOUR HORSES!!! WHERE exactly do I advocate persecuting anyone? quote me where applicable please! MY PROPOSAL?? what? not letting them take the piss and deporting the ones that do? I think thats bloody moral compared to what would happen to any of us if we so much as looked at them the wrong way in their country (of origin) You make out like I suggested stoning them to death or cutting their heads/hand/feet off - you know, the stuff they like to do to shoplifters and adulterers. I apologise and retract my statement. I've re-read the thread and you're correct you have not openly suggested persecution of anyone, however there is hidden intention in posts like this one: When are we going to stop talking and DO something about it? the war that needs fighting is HERE, not abroad... our enemies are laughing at us, and we feed them, clothe them and put rooves over their heads, and all they do is insult and attack us... muverfukers I've stated quite openly that extremists should be pursued to the full extent of the law, deported where possible and have agreed that mass immigration is not a good thing and should be brought under control. So, your turn to go on the record and say what you think should be done with the entire Muslim population of Britain (whom you seem to believe are ALL extremists) that live in our society. Tell me, what war should we fight and how? Remembering of course that many of them were born here and therefore will be British citizens that no other country are obliged to take in.
capri71 Posted November 25, 2010 Report Posted November 25, 2010 I apologise and retract my statement. ...thankyou So, your turn to go on the record and say what you think should be done with the entire Muslim population of Britain I propose we adopt a similar (but less extreme) attitude to foreign culture and religion as the muslim states do - ie. if you want to come and live in our society, on our soil, YOU (the foreigner) have to respect and adjust to OUR culture and traditions. We would not be alowed to build churches and synagogues wherever we like in muslim states so we should not alow mosques in the u.k. We should make NO concessions to foreigners - if you like your countries culture and religion so much, STAY THERE. The muslim faith is completely opposed to our values and principles so it should not be supported or encouraged - the sexism, bigotry and recourse to violence just isn't acceptable in a country that beleives in equality, freedom of speech and peaceful resolution. Their faith will prevent most muslims from complying and integrating into western culture ("Do not align yourself with the kaffur - the infidel") so most will leave voluntarily I presume ...if they are as true to their beleifs as they claim, that is... I would like it on the record that I have no wish to stamp out the muslim faith beyond our borders or disrespect its followers anywhere - I just don't want my traditions and beliefs disrespected. Sorry to say it but I do not beleive we can live in harmony so I think we should keep our distance, agree to disagree and live and let live IN OUR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES OF CULTURAL ORIGIN
Admin Vista Posted November 25, 2010 Admin Report Posted November 25, 2010 Ok, I can see sense in some of your points, they aren't all true though. You are only partially correct in saying that muslim states don't permit other religions / churches within their borders. In fact the only two that I know for definite are like that are Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. Christian communities (and churches) exist in Iraq, Oman, India, Pakistan, Iran, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Kuwait, The UAE, Bahrain etc. All of these are either predominantly Islamic countries or have a heavy islamic presence. Iraq in fact has some of the longest standing Christian communities in the world. A community that at one time numbered in excess of 1 million. It wasn't till our invasion of Iraq in 2003 that the Muslim population there rose up against them. I'm quite glad we live in a free state where the police are largely honest and we are allowed freedom of expression (both religious and non religious) though I agree that those that encourage or preach religious hate crime (on both sides of the cultural divide) should be prevented from doing so. You've proposed discouraging the Jews and the Muslims from living here by outlawing their faith. What about the Sikhs and the Buddhists and the Hindu's etc? i.e. How can we exclude two major global faiths and tolerate others? Our country would end up a pariah on the international stage, much like South Africa did over Apartheid. As to living in our countries of respective origin, many of theirs are horrendous. I wouldn't want to live there and sympathise with them for wanting a better life for themselves and their families. It was luck that I was born in a 1st world nation and I'm grateful for it every day. I could just have easily been born in the poppy fields of Afghanistan or the lawless hell hole that is Somalia
capri71 Posted November 25, 2010 Report Posted November 25, 2010 You are only partially correct in saying that muslim states don't permit other religions / churches within their borders. In fact the only two that I know for definite are like that are Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. A good point, well made however, Christian ethos is forgiveness and Christians are not known for extremism, terrorism or despising non Christians - theyre more into jumble sales, tea and bisuits and collecting for charity - if the muslims were similarly benign we wouldn't be having this discussion You've proposed discouraging the Jews and the Muslims from living here by outlawing their faith. I have to admit, as extreme as it sounds, I would ban ALL religions on the grounds that they are entirely fictional and cause so many problems - they are all just control devices invented by those who seek to enslave and disposess the masses for there own interests. As to living in our countries of respective origin, many of theirs are horrendous. I wouldn't want to live there and sympathise with them for wanting a better life for themselves and their families. It was luck that I was born in a 1st world nation and I'm grateful for it every day. I could just have easily been born in the poppy fields of Afghanistan or the lawless hell hole that is Somalia Yes, I'm grateful for being born here and not there too but that doesn't mean its our responsibility to sort out their problems - I think we as a nation do FAR more for folk in other countries than any other nation as it is - there comes a point where I feel we can't right the worlds wrongs for them - Ive had enough our soldiers getting killed on the otherside of the world you cant blame people for taking advantage of a system, its the systems fault. Another good point - Also about the yanks - Blair and Cheney are the two most corrupt and immoral traitors on the planet.
jimbo Posted November 25, 2010 Report Posted November 25, 2010 Christian ethos is forgiveness and Christians are not known for extremism, terrorism or despising non Christians - theyre more into jumble sales, tea and bisuits and collecting for charity Two extremists that always spring to my mind. Let’s not forget pops And if you look at the first member of the CoE He was no Alan Bennett Sorry for dropping in so briefly to add my piece. I'm still busy with work, so cannot give you fully articulated and reasoned discussion like others are gracing you with. I hope my curtness doesn't make you flaming cross. Speaking of flaming cross, how could I forget??? I wonder which one of them does the flower arranging?
Admin Vista Posted November 25, 2010 Admin Report Posted November 25, 2010 Christian ethos is forgiveness and Christians are not known for extremism, terrorism or despising non Christians - theyre more into jumble sales, tea and bisuits and collecting for charity Two extremists that always spring to my mind. Both of whom claim to be devout Christians as I recall? As to banning things (religion for instance), it never works so what's the point? All sorts of things are banned, drugs, speeding, smoking and drinking under age, the list is endless. The Americans tried to ban alcohol in the 30's and prohibition just drove the whole business under ground..............Which is exactly what would happen if we tried to ban all or any particular kind of religion. We're either an open country that offers sanctuary to genuine refugees and practices tolerance, or we're not. We can't be both and the former is certainly my preference for a place to live.
capri71 Posted November 25, 2010 Report Posted November 25, 2010 lol brilliant but I do think that the stronger correlation with demented racism is with white folk from a southern U.S state. As for Henry VIII, I think CofE is far more relaxed and liberal than the Catholics he booted out Both of whom claim to be devout Christians as I recall? Yeah, helps a lot when your selling yourself to almost 400 million christians voters The big difference is that the muslims we object to are in fact following the teachings of their holy book.
Retromotorsport Posted November 26, 2010 Report Posted November 26, 2010 lol brilliant but I do think that the stronger correlation with demented racism is with white folk from a southern U.S state. As for Henry VIII, I think CofE is far more relaxed and liberal than the Catholics he booted out Both of whom claim to be devout Christians as I recall? Yeah, helps a lot when your selling yourself to almost 400 million christians voters The big difference is that the muslims we object to are in fact following the teachings of their holy book. Its been mentioned a few times that teh Muslim Faith teaches radical and extremist violance.. The Koran does not, it dosnt say anything in that is different to teh Christian Bible.. as they are the same book, different language. Its the extremists that preach violence. Be that the Christian KKK or NF or The Sharia Lawas.. speaking of which, the Burka is only 300 years old, along with the other Shaira laws.. teh Koran is considerably older. The Muslim faith followers never march all over the world killing other religions, trying to exteminate any and all Christians.. It was the Christian faith that marched across lands killing Muslims.. and not for a few months, this went on from the 11th century to the 15th century ... 400 years of killing .. and even longer if you include some of the die hard crusaders .. The Knights Hospitaller continued to crusade in the Mediterranean Sea around Malta until their defeat by Napoleon in 1798 So saying Muslims are violent, when the evidence is non-existant, is wrong. They are defenders of their lands, like the French against the germans.. Remeber, we the British killed Muslims in the east before the a minority of Muslims attacked back. Our anger should be directed at the cause of this fight... America's belief that they rule everything and everyone .. And thats a Nation where 70% of the population cant name our Prime minister and belive that the potatoe famine in Ireland is still going on, so they Give vast sums of money to NORAID on st paddys day .. which armed the IRA for decades . Lets just do a list ...since WW2 ( we blew the bugle in '39, they pitched in 2 years later) 1945-49 – Occupation of South Korea and defeat of a leftist insurgency.[citation needed] 1946 – Trieste (Italy). President Truman ordered the increase of US troops along the zonal occupation line and the reinforcement of air forces in northern Italy after Yugoslav forces shot down an unarmed US Army transport plane flying over Venezia Giulia..[citation needed] Earlier US naval units had been sent to the scene.[RL30172] Later the Free Territory of Trieste, Zone A. 1945-47 – US Marines garrisoned in mainland China to oversee the removal of Soviet and Japanese forces after World War II.[3] 1948 – Palestine. A marine consular guard was sent to Jerusalem to protect the US Consul General.[RL30172] 1948 – Berlin. Berlin Airlift After the Soviet Union established a land blockade of the US, British, and French sectors of Berlin on June 24, 1948, the United States and its allies airlifted supplies to Berlin until after the blockade was lifted in May 1949.[RL30172] 1948-49 – China. Marines were dispatched to Nanking to protect the American Embassy when the city fell to Communist troops, and to Shanghai to aid in the protection and evacuation of Americans.[RL30172] [edit] 1950-1959 1950-53 – Korean War. The United States responded to North Korean invasion of South Korea by going to its assistance, pursuant to United Nations Security Council resolutions. US forces deployed in Korea exceeded 300,000 during the last year of the conflict. Over 36,600 US military were killed in action.[RL30172] 1950-55 – Formosa (Taiwan). In June 1950 at the beginning of the Korean War, President Truman ordered the US Seventh Fleet to prevent Chinese Communist attacks upon Formosa and Chinese Nationalist operations against mainland China.[RL30172] 1954-55 – China. Naval units evacuated US civilians and military personnel from the Tachen Islands.[RL30172] 1955-64 – Vietnam. First military advisors sent to Vietnam on 12 Feb 1955. By 1964, US troop levels had grown to 21,000. On 7 August 1964, US Congress approved Gulf of Tonkin resolution affirming "All necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States. . .to prevent further aggression. . . (and) assist any member or protocol state of the Southeast Asian Collective Defense Treaty (SEATO) requesting assistance. . ."[Vietnam timeline] 1956 – Egypt. A marine battalion evacuated US nationals and other persons from Alexandria during the Suez crisis.[RL30172] 1958 – Lebanon. Lebanon crisis of 1958 Marines were landed in Lebanon at the invitation of President Camille Chamoun to help protect against threatened insurrection supported from the outside. The President's action was supported by a Congressional resolution passed in 1957 that authorized such actions in that area of the world.[RL30172] [edit] 1960-1969 1959-60 – The Caribbean. Second Marine Ground Task Force was deployed to protect US nationals following the Cuban revolution.[RL30172] 1962 – Thailand. The Third Marine Expeditionary Unit landed on May 17, 1962 to support that country during the threat of Communist pressure from outside; by July 30, the 5,000 marines had been withdrawn.[RL30172] 1962 – Cuba. Cuban Missile Crisis On October 22, President Kennedy instituted a "quarantine" on the shipment of offensive missiles to Cuba from the Soviet Union. He also warned Soviet Union that the launching of any missile from Cuba against nations in the Western Hemisphere would bring about US nuclear retaliation on the Soviet Union. A negotiated settlement was achieved in a few days.[RL30172] 1962-75 – Laos. From October 1962 until 1975, the United States played an important role in military support of anti-Communist forces in Laos.[RL30172] 1964 – Congo (Zaire). The United States sent four transport planes to provide airlift for Congolese troops during a rebellion and to transport Belgian paratroopers to rescue foreigners.[RL30172] 1959-75 – Vietnam War. US military advisers had been in South Vietnam for a decade, and their numbers had been increased as the military position of the Saigon government became weaker. After citing what he termed were attacks on US destroyers in the Tonkin Gulf, President Johnson asked in August 1964 for a resolution expressing US determination to support freedom and protect peace in Southeast Asia. Congress responded with the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, expressing support for "all necessary measures" the President might take to repel armed attacks against US forces and prevent further aggression. Following this resolution, and following a Communist attack on a US installation in central Vietnam, the United States escalated its participation in the war to a peak of 543,000 military personnel by April 1969.[RL30172] 1965 – Dominican Republic. Invasion of Dominican Republic The United States intervened to protect lives and property during a Dominican revolt and sent 20,000 US troops as fears grew that the revolutionary forces were coming increasingly under Communist control.[RL30172] 1967 – Israel. The USS Liberty incident, whereupon a United States Navy Technical Research Ship was attacked June 8, 1967 by Israeli armed forces, killing 34 and wounding more than 170 U.S. crew members. 1967 – Congo (Zaire). The United States sent three military transport aircraft with crews to provide the Congo central government with logistical support during a revolt.[RL30172] 1968 – Laos & Cambodia. U.S. starts secret bombing campaign against targets along the Ho Chi Minh trail in the sovereign nations of Cambodia and Laos. The bombings last at least two years. (See Operation Commando Hunt) [edit] 1970-1979 1970 – Cambodia Campaign. US troops were ordered into Cambodia to clean out Communist sanctuaries from which Viet Cong and North Vietnamese attacked US and South Vietnamese forces in Vietnam. The object of this attack, which lasted from April 30 to June 30, was to ensure the continuing safe withdrawal of American forces from South Vietnam and to assist the program of Vietnamization.[RL30172] 1973 – Operation Nickel Grass, a strategic airlift operation conducted by the United States to deliver weapons and supplies to Israel during the Yom Kippur War. 1974 – Evacuation from Cyprus. United States naval forces evacuated US civilians during the Turkish invasion of Cyprus.[RL30172] 1975 – Evacuation from Vietnam. On April 3, 1975, President Ford reported US naval vessels, helicopters, and Marines had been sent to assist in evacuation of refugees and US nationals from Vietnam.[RL30172] 1975 – Evacuation from Cambodia. On April 12, 1975, President Ford reported that he had ordered US military forces to proceed with the planned evacuation of US citizens from Cambodia.[RL30172] 1975 – South Vietnam. On April 30, 1975, President Ford reported that a force of 70 evacuation helicopters and 865 Marines had evacuated about 1,400 US citizens and 5,500 third country nationals and South Vietnamese from landing zones in and around the US Embassy, Saigon and Tan Son Nhut Airport.[RL30172] 1975 – Cambodia. Mayagüez Incident. On May 15, 1975, President Ford reported he had ordered military forces to retake the SS Mayagüez, a merchant vessel which was seized from Cambodian naval patrol boats in international waters and forced to proceed to a nearby island.[RL30172] 1976 – Lebanon. On July 22 and 23, 1976, helicopters from five US naval vessels evacuated approximately 250 Americans and Europeans from Lebanon during fighting between Lebanese factions after an overland convoy evacuation had been blocked by hostilities.[RL30172] 1976 – Korea. Additional forces were sent to Korea after two American soldiers were killed by North Korean soldiers in the demilitarized zone between North and South Korea while cutting down a tree.[RL30172] 1978 – Zaire (Congo). From May 19 through June 1978, the United States utilized military transport aircraft to provide logistical support to Belgian and French rescue operations in Zaire.[RL30172] [edit] 1980-1990 1980 – Operation Eagle Claw, Iran. On April 26, 1980, President Carter reported the use of six U.S. transport planes and eight helicopters in an unsuccessful attempt to rescue the American hostages in Iran. 1981 – El Salvador. After a guerrilla offensive against the government of El Salvador, additional US military advisers were sent to El Salvador, bringing the total to approximately 55, to assist in training government forces in counterinsurgency.[RL30172] 1981 – Libya. First Gulf of Sidra Incident On August 19, 1981, US planes based on the carrier USS Nimitz shot down two Libyan jets over the Gulf of Sidra after one of the Libyan jets had fired a heat-seeking missile. The United States periodically held freedom of navigation exercises in the Gulf of Sidra, claimed by Libya as territorial waters but considered international waters by the United States.[RL30172] 1982 – Sinai. On March 19, 1982, President Reagan reported the deployment of military personnel and equipment to participate in the Multinational Force and Observers in the Sinai. Participation had been authorized by the Multinational Force and Observers Resolution, Public Law 97-132.[RL30172] 1982 – Lebanon. Multinational Force in Lebanon. On August 21, 1982, President Reagan reported the dispatch of 80 Marines to serve in the multinational force to assist in the withdrawal of members of the Palestine Liberation force from Beirut. The Marines left September 20, 1982.[RL30172] 1982-1983 – Lebanon. On September 29, 1982, President Reagan reported the deployment of 1200 marines to serve in a temporary multinational force to facilitate the restoration of Lebanese government sovereignty. On September 29, 1983, Congress passed the Multinational Force in Lebanon Resolution (P.L. 98-119) authorizing the continued participation for eighteen months.[RL30172] 1983 – Egypt. After a Libyan plane bombed a city in Sudan on March 18, 1983, and Sudan and Egypt appealed for assistance, the United States dispatched an AWACS electronic surveillance plane to Egypt.[RL30172] 1983 – Grenada. Citing the increased threat of Soviet and Cuban influence and noting the development of an international airport following a bloodless Grenada coup d'état and alignment with the Soviets and Cuba, the U.S. launches Operation Urgent Fury to invade the sovereign island nation of Grenada.[RL30172] 1983-89 – Honduras. In July 1983 the United States undertook a series of exercises in Honduras that some believed might lead to conflict with Nicaragua. On March 25, 1986, unarmed US military helicopters and crewmen ferried Honduran troops to the Nicaraguan border to repel Nicaraguan troops.[RL30172] 1983 – Chad. On August 8, 1983, President Reagan reported the deployment of two AWACS electronic surveillance planes and eight F-15 fighter planes and ground logistical support forces to assist Chad against Libyan and rebel forces.[RL30172] 1984 – Persian Gulf. On June 5, 1984, Saudi Arabian jet fighter planes, aided by intelligence from a US AWACS electronic surveillance aircraft and fueled by a U.S. KC-10 tanker, shot down two Iranian fighter planes over an area of the Persian Gulf proclaimed as a protected zone for shipping.[RL30172] 1985 – Italy. On October 10, 1985, US Navy pilots intercepted an Egyptian airliner and forced it to land in Sicily. The airliner was carrying the hijackers of the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro who had killed an American citizen during the hijacking.[RL30172] 1986 – Libya. Action in the Gulf of Sidra (1986) On March 26, 1986, President Reagan reported on March 24 and 25, US forces, while engaged in freedom of navigation exercises around the Gulf of Sidra, had been attacked by Libyan missiles and the United States had responded with missiles.[RL30172] 1986 – Libya. Operation El Dorado Canyon On April 16, 1986, President Reagan reported that U.S. air and naval forces had conducted bombing strikes on terrorist facilities and military installations in the Libyan capitol of Tripoli, claiming that Libyan leader Col. Muammar al-Gaddafi was responsible for a bomb attack at a German disco that killed two U.S. soldiers.[RL30172] 1986 – Bolivia. U.S. Army personnel and aircraft assisted Bolivia in anti-drug operations.[RL30172] 1987 – Persian Gulf. USS Stark was struck on May 17 by two Exocet antiship missiles fired from an Iraqi F-1 Mirage during the Iran-Iraq War killing 37 US Navy sailors. 1987 –October 19, Operation Nimble Archer - attack on two Iranian oil platforms in the Persian Gulf by United States Navy forces. The attack was a response to Iran's October 16, 1987 attack on the MV Sea Isle City, a reflagged Kuwaiti oil tanker at anchor off Kuwait, with a Silkworm missile. 1987-88 – Persian Gulf. After the Iran-Iraq War resulted in several military incidents in the Persian Gulf, the United States increased US joint military forces operations in the Persian Gulf and adopted a policy of reflagging and escorting Kuwaiti oil tankers through the Persian Gulf, called Operation Earnest Will. President Reagan reported that US ships had been fired upon or struck mines or taken other military action on September 21 (Iran Ajr), October 8, and October 19, 1987 and April 18 (Operation Praying Mantis), July 3, and July 14, 1988. The United States gradually reduced its forces after a cease-fire between Iran and Iraq on August 20, 1988.[RL30172] It was the largest naval convoy operation since World War II.[4] 1987-88 – Operation Earnest Will was the U.S. military protection of Kuwaiti oil tankers from Iraqi and Iranian attacks in 1987 and 1988 during the Tanker War phase of the Iran-Iraq War. It was the largest naval convoy operation since World War II. 1987-88 – Operation Prime Chance was a United States Special Operations Command operation intended to protect U.S. -flagged oil tankers from Iranian attack during the Iran-Iraq War. The operation took place roughly at the same time as Operation Earnest Will. 1988 – Operation Praying Mantis was the April 18, 1988 action waged by U.S. naval forces in retaliation for the Iranian mining of the Persian Gulf and the subsequent damage to an American warship. 1988 – Operation Golden Pheasant was an emergency deployment of U.S. troops to Honduras in 1988, as a result of threatening actions by the forces of the (then socialist) Nicaraguans. 1988 – USS Vincennes shoot down of Iran Air Flight 655 1988 – Panama. In mid-March and April 1988, during a period of instability in Panama and as the United States increased pressure on Panamanian head of state General Manuel Noriega to resign, the United States sent 1,000 troops to Panama, to "further safeguard the canal, US lives, property and interests in the area." The forces supplemented 10,000 US military personnel already in the Panama Canal Zone.[RL30172] 1989 – Libya. Second Gulf of Sidra Incident On January 4, 1989, two US Navy F-14 aircraft based on the USS John F. Kennedy shot down two Libyan jet fighters over the Mediterranean Sea about 70 miles north of Libya. The US pilots said the Libyan planes had demonstrated hostile intentions.[RL30172] 1989 – Panama. On May 11, 1989, in response to General Noriega's disregard of the results of the Panamanian election, President Bush ordered a brigade-sized force of approximately 1,900 troops to augment the estimated 11,000 U.S. forces already in the area.[RL30172] 1989 – Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru. Andean Initiative in War on Drugs. On September 15, 1989, President Bush announced that military and law enforcement assistance would be sent to help the Andean nations of Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru combat illicit drug producers and traffickers. By mid-September there were 50-100 US military advisers in Colombia in connection with transport and training in the use of military equipment, plus seven Special Forces teams of 2-12 persons to train troops in the three countries.[RL30172] 1989 – Operation Classic Resolve, Philippines - On December 2, 1989, President Bush reported that on December 1, Air Force fighters from Clark Air Base in Luzon had assisted the Aquino government to repel a coup attempt. In addition, 100 marines were sent from U.S. Naval Base Subic Bay to protect the United States Embassy in Manila.[RL30172] 1989-90 – Operation Just Cause, Panama - On December 21, 1989, President Bush reported that he had ordered US military forces to Panama to protect the lives of American citizens and bring General Noriega to justice. By February 13, 1990, all the invasion forces had been withdrawn.[RL30172] Around 200 Panamanian civilians were reported killed. The Panamanian head of state, General Manuel Noriega, was captured and brought to the U.S. 1990 – Liberia. On August 6, 1990, President Bush reported that a reinforced rifle company had been sent to provide additional security to the US Embassy in Monrovia, and that helicopter teams had evacuated U.S. citizens from Liberia.[RL30172] 1990 – Saudi Arabia. On August 9, 1990, President Bush reported that he had ordered the forward deployment of substantial elements of the US armed forces into the Persian Gulf region to help defend Saudi Arabia after the August 2 invasion of Kuwait by Iraq. On November 16, 1990, he reported the continued buildup of the forces to ensure an adequate offensive military option.[RL30172] American hostages being held in Iran.[RL30172] [edit] 1991-1999 1991 – Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm (Persian Gulf War). On January 16, 1991, U.S. forces attacked Iraqi forces and military targets in Iraq and Kuwait in conjunction with a coalition of allies and under United Nations Security Council resolutions. Combat operations ended on February 28, 1991.[RL30172] 1991 – Iraq. On May 17, 1991, President Bush stated that the Iraqi repression of the Kurdish people had necessitated a limited introduction of U.S. forces into northern Iraq for emergency relief purposes.[RL30172] 1991 – Zaire. On September 25–27, 1991, after widespread looting and rioting broke out in Kinshasa, Air Force C-141s transported 100 Belgian troops and equipment into Kinshasa. American planes also carried 300 French troops into the Central African Republic and hauled evacuated American citizens.[RL30172] 1991-96 – Operation Provide Comfort. Delivery of humanitarian relief and military protection for Kurds fleeing their homes in northern Iraq, by a small Allied ground force based in Turkey. 1992 – Operation Silver Anvil, Sierra Leone. Following the April 29 coup that overthrew President Joseph Saidu Momoh, a United States European Command (USEUCOM) Joint Special Operations Task Force evacuated 438 people (including 42 third-country nationals) on May 3 .Two Air Mobility Command (AMC) C-141s flew 136 people from Freetown, Sierra Leone, to the Rhein-Main Air Base in Germany and nine C-130 sorties carried another 302 people to Dakar, Senegal.[RL30172] 1992-1996 – Operation Provide Promise was a humanitarian relief operation in Bosnia and Herzegovina during the Yugoslav Wars, from July 2, 1992, to January 9, 1996, which made it the longest running humanitarian airlift in history.[5] 1992 – Kuwait. On August 3, 1992, the United States began a series of military exercises in Kuwait, following Iraqi refusal to recognize a new border drawn up by the United Nations and refusal to cooperate with UN inspection teams.[RL30172] 1992-2003 – Iraq. Iraqi No-Fly Zones The U.S. together with the United Kingdom declares and enforces "no fly zones" over the majority of sovereign Iraqi airspace, prohibiting Iraqi flights in zones in southern Iraq and northern Iraq, and conducting aerial reconnaissance and bombings. (See also Operation Southern Watch) [RL30172] 1992-95 – Somalia. "Operation Restore Hope" Somali Civil War On December 10, 1992, President Bush reported that he had deployed US armed forces to Somalia in response to a humanitarian crisis and a UN Security Council Resolution. The operation came to an end on May 4, 1993. US forces continued to participate in the successor United Nations Operation in Somalia (UNOSOM II). (See also Battle of Mogadishu)[RL30172] 1993–Present – Bosnia-Herzegovina. 1993 – Macedonia. On July 9, 1993, President Clinton reported the deployment of 350 US soldiers to the Republic of Macedonia to participate in the UN Protection Force to help maintain stability in the area of former Yugoslavia.[RL30172] 1994-95 – Operation Uphold Democracy, Haiti. U.S. ships had begun embargo against Haiti. Up to 20,000 US military troops were later deployed to Haiti.[RL30172] 1994 – Macedonia. On April 19, 1994, President Clinton reported that the US contingent in the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia had been increased by a reinforced company of 200 personnel.[RL30172] 1995 – Operation Deliberate Force, Bosnia. NATO bombing of Bosnian Serbs.[RL30172] 1996 – Operation Assured Response, Liberia. On April 11, 1996, President Clinton reported that on April 9, 1996 due to the "deterioration of the security situation and the resulting threat to American citizens" in Liberia he had ordered U.S. military forces to evacuate from that country "private U.S. citizens and certain third-country nationals who had taken refuge in the U.S. Embassy compound...."[RL30172] 1996 – Operation Quick Response, Central African Republic. On May 23, 1996, President Clinton reported the deployment of US military personnel to Bangui, Central African Republic, to conduct the evacuation from that country of "private U.S. citizens and certain U.S. government employees," and to provide "enhanced security for the American Embassy in Bangui."[RL30172] United States Marine Corps elements of Joint Task Force Assured Response , responding in nearby Liberia, provided security to the embassy and evacuated 448 people, including between 190 and 208 Americans. The last Marines left Bangui on June 22. 1997 – Operation Silver Wake, Albania On March 13, 1997, U.S. military forces were used to evacuate certain U.S. government employees and private U.S. citizens from Tirana, Albania.[RL30172] 1997 – Congo and Gabon. On March 27, 1997, President Clinton reported on March 25, 1997, a standby evacuation force of U.S. military personnel had been deployed to Congo and Gabon to provide enhanced security and to be available for any necessary evacuation operation.[RL30172] 1997 – Sierra Leone. On May 29 and May 30, 1997, U.S. military personnel were deployed to Freetown, Sierra Leone, to prepare for and undertake the evacuation of certain U.S. government employees and private U.S. citizens.[RL30172] 1997 – Cambodia. On July 11, 1997, In an effort to ensure the security of American citizens in Cambodia during a period of domestic conflict there, a Task Force of about 550 U.S. military personnel were deployed at Utapao Air Base in Thailand for possible evacuations. [RL30172] 1998 – Operation Desert Fox, Iraq - U.S. and British forces conduct a major four-day bombing campaign from December 16–19, 1998 on Iraqi targets.[RL30172] 1998 – Operation Shepherd Venture, Guinea-Bissau. On June 10, 1998, in response to an army mutiny in Guinea-Bissau endangering the US Embassy, President Clinton deployed a standby evacuation force of US military personnel to Dakar, Senegal, to evacuate from the city of Bissau.[RL30172] 1998 - 1999 Kenya and Tanzania. US military personnel were deployed to Nairobi, Kenya, to coordinate the medical and disaster assistance related to the bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. [RL30172] 1998 – Operation Infinite Reach, Afghanistan and Sudan. On August 20, air strikes were used against two suspected terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and a suspected chemical factory in Sudan.[RL30172] 1998 – Liberia. On September 27, 1998 America deployed a stand-by response and evacuation force of 30 US military personnel to increase the security force at the U.S. Embassy in Monrovia. [1] [RL30172] 1999-2001 East Timor. Limited number of U.S. military forces deployed with the United Nations-mandated International Force for East Timor restore peace to East Timor.[RL30172] 1999 – Operation Allied Force - NATO's bombing of Serbia in the Kosovo Conflict.[RL30172] [edit] 2000-2009 2000 – Sierra Leone. On May 12, 2000 a US Navy patrol craft deployed to Sierra Leone to support evacuation operations from that country if needed.[RL30172] 2000 – Yemen. On October 12, 2000, after the USS Cole attack in the port of Aden, Yemen, military personnel were deployed to Aden.[RL30172] 2000 – East Timor. On February 25, 2000, a small number of U.S. military personnel were deployed to support of the United Nations Transitional Administration in East Timor (UNTAET). [RL30172] 2001 – On April 1, 2001, a mid-air collision between a United States Navy EP-3E ARIES II signals surveillance aircraft and a People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) J-8II interceptor fighter jet resulted in an international dispute between the United States and the People's Republic of China called the Hainan Island incident. 2001 – Afghanistan. War in Afghanistan. The War on Terrorism begins with Operation Enduring Freedom. On October 7, 2001, US Armed Forces invade Afghanistan in response to the 9/11 attacks and "begin combat action in Afghanistan against Al Qaeda terrorists and their Taliban supporters."[RL30172] 2002 – Yemen. On November 3, 2002, an American MQ-1 Predator fired a Hellfire missile at a car in Yemen killing Qaed Senyan al-Harthi, an al-Qaeda leader thought to be responsible for the USS Cole bombing.[RL30172] 2002 – Philippines. OEF-Philippines. January 2002 U.S. "combat-equipped and combat support forces" have been deployed to the Philippines to train with, assist and advise the Philippines' Armed Forces in enhancing their "counterterrorist capabilities."[RL30172] 2002 – Côte d'Ivoire. On September 25, 2002, in response to a rebellion in Côte d'Ivoire, US military personnel went into Côte d'Ivoire to assist in the evacuation of American citizens from Bouake.[6] [RL30172] 2003 – 2003 invasion of Iraq leading to the War in Iraq. March 20, 2003. The United States leads a coalition that includes Britain, Australia and Spain to invade Iraq with the stated goal being "to disarm Iraq in pursuit of peace, stability, and security both in the Gulf region and in the United States."[RL30172] 2003 – Liberia. Second Liberian Civil War On June 9, 2003, President Bush reported that on June 8 he had sent about 35 US Marines into Monrovia, Liberia, to help secure the US Embassy in Nouakchott, Mauritania, and to aid in any necessary evacuation from either Liberia or Mauritania.[RL30172] 2003 – Georgia and Djibouti "US combat equipped and support forces" had been deployed to Georgia and Djibouti to help in enhancing their "counterterrorist capabilities."[7] 2004 – 2004 Haïti rebellion occurs. The US sent first sent 55 combat equipped military personnel to augment the US Embassy security forces there and to protect American citizens and property in light. Later 200 additional US combat-equipped, military personnel were sent to prepare the way for a UN Multinational Interim Force, MINUSTAH.[RL30172] 2004 – War on Terrorism: US anti-terror related activities were underway in Georgia, Djibouti, Kenya, Ethiopia, Yemen, and Eritrea.[8] 2004 - 2010: Drone attacks in Pakistan 2005-06 – Pakistan: President Bush deploys troops from US Army Air Cav Brigades to provide Humanitarian relief to far remote villages in the Kashmir mountain ranges of Pakistan stricken by a massive earthquake. 2006 – Lebanon. US Marine Detachment, the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit[citation needed], begins evacuation of US citizens willing to leave the country in the face of a likely ground invasion by Israel and continued fighting between Hezbollah and the Israeli military.[9][10] 2007 – Somalia. Battle of Ras Kamboni. On January 8, 2007, while the conflict between the Islamic Courts Union and the Transitional Federal Government continues, an AC-130 gunship conducts an aerial strike on a suspected Al-Qaeda operative, along with other Islamist fighters, on Badmadow Island near Ras Kamboni in southern Somalia.[citation needed] 2008 – South Ossetia, Georgia. Helped Georgia humanitarian aid[11], helped to transport Georgian forces from Iraq during the conflict. In the past, the US has provided training and weapons to Georgia. Thats some effing list
Retromotorsport Posted November 26, 2010 Report Posted November 26, 2010 Bet you never read it all though ..
capri71 Posted November 26, 2010 Report Posted November 26, 2010 The Koran does not, it dosnt say anything in that is different to teh Christian Bible.. as they are the same book, different language. Bible VS Quran Monotheistic, Trinitarian, (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6-8; Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14). Monotheistic (5:73; 112:1-4), denies the Trinity (5:73). Jesus is God in flesh (Col. 2:9). Jesus is not God (5:17, 75). Jesus was crucified (1 Pet. 2:24). Jesus was not Crucified, (4:157). Jesus rose from the dead (John 2:19-20). Jesus did not rise from the dead. Jesus was the Son of God (Mark 1:1). Jesus was not the Son of God (9:30). Holy Spirit, 3rd person in the Godhead. He will bear witness of Jesus (John 14:26; 15:26). The Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel (2:97; 16:102). Salvation by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9). Salvation by sincerity and works (3:135; 7:8-9; 21:47; 49:14; 66:8-9). The Devil is a fallen angel (Isaiah 14:12-15). The Devil, Satan, is not a fallen angel, but a fallen Jinn (2:34; 7:12; 15:27; 55:15). Man is fallen, a sinner (Rom. 3:23). Man is basically good. Disciples were Christians (Acts 11:26). Disciples declare themselves Muslims (5:111). Worship on Sabbath (Exodus 20) then later on Sunday (Rom. 14:5-6; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:1-2). Worship on Friday (62:9). Miracles, numerous are recorded (1 Cor. 15:3-5, etc.). No Miracles recorded, except they claim the Qur'an is a miracle. Makes numerous prophecies (Isaiah 53; Micah 5:2, etc.). Makes no prophecies. So saying Muslims are violent, when the evidence is non-existant, is wrong. 1929 In Hebron, Arabs kill 67 Jews and begin driving Jewish families ot of the city and surrounding areas. 1951 July 20 King Abdullah of Jordan assassinated by Arab extremist in Jerusalem, Jordan, while entering the Mosque of Omar to pray. The assassin and four others are hanged for their part in the murder. September 11 Pakistani prime minister Lisquat Ali Khan shot dead while addressing public meeting in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, by Afghan fanatic. 1954 March 17 Bus passengers killed when Palestinian terrorists cross into the Negev desert, Israel, and ambush the vehicle. 1960 August 29 Jordanian prime minister and eleven others killed by bomb in the foreign ministry building, Amman, Jordan. Two of the bombers fled to safety and eleven others are sentenced to death for the attack. 1965 May 25 Three Israeli civilians killed in Al Fatah Palestinian terrorist attack on Jewish settlement at Ramat Hakovash, Israel. 1968 March 18 School bus hits land mine in Negev desert, Israel, killing two adults and injuring twenty eight children. The Israelis stage major retaliatory raid into Jordan to hunt down the Palestinian Al Fatah terrorists responsible. June 5 American presidential candidate Robert Kennedy murdered by Jordanian terrorist, Sirhan Bishara Sirhan, in Los Angeles, United States. His killer was arrested and became the cause of further terrorist attacks, as Arab terrorist groups demanded his release July 22 Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine carry out first ever aircraft hijacking, seizing an El Al Boeing 707 in Rome, Italy, and diverting it to Algeria. Thirty two Jewish passengers held hostages for five weeks. September 4 Three bombs explode in central Tel Aviv, Israel, killing one Israeli and wounding seventy one civilians. November 22 Mahaneh Yehuda market, Israel, bombed by Al Fatah Palestinian terrorists killing twelve civilians and injuring fifty two. December 26 One Israeli killed in Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine machine gun attack on El Al aircraft at Athens airport, Greece. Two terrorists were captured but later released by the Greek government after a Greek aircraft was hijacked to Beirut. Three days after the Athens attack Israeli commandos raid Beirut airport, Lebanon and blow up thirteen Arab airliners worth $43 million. 1969 February 18 Palestinian terrorists attack El Al Boeing 707 on runway at Zurich airport, Switzerland, raking the fuselage with gunfire, killing the pilot and three passengers. An Israeli skymarshall/secuirty guard returned fire killing one of the terrorists and drove off the reminder. February 21 Palestinian terrorists explode a bomb in a crowded supermarket in Jerusalem, Israel, killing two people and injuring twenty. August 29 TWA hijacked by Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine terrorists after taking off from Rome, Italy, led by Leila Khalid, and forced to fly to Damascus, Syria. All the passengers and crew were released unharmed but the terrorists exploded a bomb in the cockpit of the aircraft. October 22 Four civilians killed by Palestinian bombs in two apartments in Haifa, Israeli, and twenty others wounded. 1970 February 10 Three Arab terrorists attempt to hijack an El Al Boeing 707 at Munich airport, Germany, but are thwarted by the pilot who grappled with a terrorist in the terminal lounge. One Israeli is killed and eleven others wounded. February 21 Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine blow up a Swiss airliner just after it has taken off from Zurich, Switzerland, killing all forty seven people on board. September 6 "Skyjack Sunday" takes places at Dawson Field, in Jordan. TWA, Swissair, BOAC aircraft, along with more than four hundred hostages, were hijacked and ordered to the Jordanian airport by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Another terrorist team tried to hijack an El Al Boeing over London but security staff foiled the attempt and captured one of the hijackers, Leila Khalid, alive. The German, Swiss and British Governments all agreed to the PFLP's demands and released a number of terrorists, including Khalid, held in their jails. 1971 May 17 Turkish radicals assassinate Israeli consul general in Istanbul, Turkey, as part of a joint operation with Palestinian terrorists. November 28 Jordanian prime minister Wasfi Tal shot and killed by Palestinian Black September terrorists at the Sheraton Hotel in Cairo, Egypt. A month later the Jordanian ambassador in London, England, is shot and wounded by a Black September hit squad. 1972 May 8 Israeli commandos storm hijacked Belgian Sabena airliner at Ben Gurion airport, Israel, killing the four Palestinian Black September terrorists aboard the aircraft and freeing the hostages. One passenger and five Israeli soldiers were killed. May 30 Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and Japanese Red Army terrorists open fire in passenger terminal of Lod Airport, Israel, killing twenty six civilians and wounding seventy eight others. Japanese terrorist Kozo Okamoto survives and is captured by the Israelis. September 5 Eight Palestinian Black September terrorists seize eleven Israeli athletes in the Olympic Village in Munich, Germany. In a bungled rescue attempt by the West German authorities nine of the hostages and five terrorists are killed. September 9 Member of the Israeli embassy staff in London, England, killed by Palestinian letter bomb. 1973 March 12 Palestinian Black September terrorists murder an Israeli businessman on Cyprus. August 5 Black September suicide squad attacks passenger terminals at Athens airport, Greece, killing three civilians and injuring fifty five. December 17 Palestinian terrorists bomb Pan Am office at Fiumicino airport, Rome, Italy killing thirty two and injuring fifty. The terrorist then take seven Italian policemen hostage and hijack an aircraft to Athens, Greece, before flying on to Kuwait after killing one of the hostages. They then surrendered. 1974 March 1 Saudi Arabian embassy in Khartoum, Sudan, seized by Black September terrorists and a number of diplomats from Arab and western countries taken hostages. The terrorists murder two American and one Belgian diplomat. April 11 Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command terrorists seize part of the Qirayt Shemona settlement in northern Israel. Eighteen Israelis killed after the terrorists detonate explosives during a rescue attempt. May 15 Ninety children are held hostage by Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine terrorists in a school at Ma'alot, Israel. Twenty one people are killed and seventy eight wounded during a bungled rescue attempt by Israeli special forces troops. June 13 The Shamir kibbutz in Israel raided by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. The four terrorists and several Israelis killed in ensuing gun battle. June 26 Al Fatah Palestinian terrorists land by boat near Nahariya, Israel, and attempt to take civilians hostage. Three Israelis and all the terrorists are killed in a firefight. November 23 British DC-10 airliner hijacked at Dubai, UAE, by Palestinian Rejectionist front terrorists and eventually flown to Tunisia where a German passenger was killed. 1975 January 19 Arab terrorists attack Orly airport, Paris, France, seizing ten hostages in a terminal bathroom. Eventually the French provided the terrorists with a plane to fly them to safety in Baghdad, Iraq. December 21 Top international terrorist, Carlos "The Jackal" holds eleven oil ministers and fifty nine civilians hostage during the OPEC meeting in Vienna, Austria. After flying to Algeria and taking delivery of several hundred million dollars in ransom money, Carlos and his Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine terrorists escape. 1976 June 27 An Air France airliner is hijacked by a joint German Baader-Meinhof/Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine terrorist group and its crew are forced to fly to Entebbe airport in Uganda. Some two hundred and fifty eight passengers and crew are held hostage but all non-Israeli passengers are eventually released. On 4 July Israeli commandos fly to Uganda and rescue the remaining hostages. All the terrorists were killed in the rescue, as are three passengers and one commando. August 11 Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and Japanese Red Army terrorists attack passenger terminal at Istanbul airport, Turkey, killing four civilians and injuring twenty. 1977 October 13 Four Palestinian terrorists hijack a German Lufthansa Boeing 737 and order it to fly around a number of Middle East destinations for four days. After the plane's pilot is killed by the terrorists, it is stormed by German GSG9 counter-terrorist troops, assisted by two British Army Special Air Service soldiers, when it puts down at Mogadishu, Somalia. All the ninety hostages are rescued and three terrorists killed. 1978 March 11 A nine strong Al Fatah Palestinian seaborne raiding party lands in Israel and hijacks a bus, killing twenty six civilians and wounding seventy. All the terrorists are killed by Israeli security forces. The Israelis retaliate by invading southern Lebanon, under codename Operation Litani. August 20 El Al stewardess killed when crew bus ambushed by Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine terrorists outside Europa Hotel, London, England. 1980 October 3 Four Jews killed and twelve injured in Palestinian bomb attack on synagogue in Paris, France. 1981 April 16 Palestinian terrorist team attempt attack on Israel from Lebanon in hot air balloon. Israeli air defences shoot down the balloon killing all the crew. May 13 Pope John Paul II seriously wounded in assassination attempt in Rome, Italy, by Turkish "Grey Wolves" terrorist Mehmet Ali Agca. It emerges he was trained by a number of Middle Eastern terrorists groups and had links to the Soviet intelligence services. October 6 Egyptian president Anwar Sadat shot dead by rebel troops who machine gunned the reviewing stand at a military parade in Cairo, Egypt. Seven other people are killed and twenty eight wounded. The assassins are later executed. 1982 June 3 The Israeli ambassador in London, England, Shlomo Argov, shot and seriously injured by terrorists from the Abu Nidal group. The attack is used to justify the Israeli invasion of Lebanon that started immediately after the attack. September 14 Lebanese President Bashir Gemayel assassinated by a massive car bomb at a Beirut political meeting, by a pro-Syrian Lebanese group November 11 Israeli military headquarters in Tyre, Lebanon, destroyed by Islamic suicide bomber leaving seventy five Israeli soldiers dead, along with fifteen Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners. 1983 April 18 Sixty three people, including the CIA's Middle East Director, are killed and 120 injured in a 400 lb suicide truck bomb attack on the US Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. The driver is killed. Responsibility is claimed by Islamic Jihad. October 23 Simultaneous suicide truck bombs on American and French compounds in Beirut, Lebanon. A 12,000 lb bomb destroys a US Marine Corps base killing two hundred and forty one Americans; another fifty eight Frenchmen are killed when a 400 lb device destroys one of their bases. Islamic Jihad claims responsibility. US and French aircraft strike suspected terrorist bases in the Baka'a valley in retaliation. November 4 Twenty eight Israeli soldiers, along with thirty Palestinian and Lebanese civilians are killed in another suicide truck bomb attack on the Israeli military headquarters in Tyre, in southern Lebanon. December 12 US Embassy in Kuwait was targeted by Iranian backed Iraqi Shia terrorist who attempted to destroy the building with a truck bomb. The attack was foiled by guards and the device exploded in the Embassy fore-court killing five people. 1984 March 8 Car bomb in Beirut, Lebanon, kills eighty and wounds more than two hundred civilians, in what is believed to have been a American CIA backed attempt to kill the leader of the Hezbollah terrorist group. March 16 CIA station chief in Beirut, Lebanon, William Buckley, kidnapped by the Iranian backed Islamic Jihad. He was tortured and then executed by his captors. April 12 Eighteen US servicemen killed and eighty three people injured in bomb attack on restaurant near USAF base in Torrejon, Spain. Responsibility claimed by Hezbollah as revenge for March bombing in Beirut. April 17 British security forces including Special Air Service counter-terrorist troops lay siege to Libyan People's Bureau (embassy) in London after a British policewomen is killed by small arms fire originating from inside the building. After threats were made to UK citizens living in Libya, the British government decided to respect the diplomatic immunity of the staff of the People's Bureau and allowed them to leave for Tripoli. No one was arrested for the murder. April 22 Four Palestinian terrorist hijack bus carrying Israelis in Gaza, occupied territories. Israeli special forces storm the bus and kill two of the terrorist after they had been captured. September 20 Suicide bomb attack on US Embassy in East Beirut kills twenty three people and injures twenty one others. The US and British ambassadors were slightly injured in the explosion which was attributed to the Iranian backed Hezbollah group. 1985 March 16 US journalist Terry Anderson is kidnapped in Beirut, Lebanon, by Iranian backed Islamic radicals. He is finally released in December 1991. April 5 Bomb explodes outside Hezbollah headquarters in Beirut killing 80 people. CIA backed Christians are blamed. June 6 A TWA Boeing 727 was hijacked enroute to Rome, Italy, from Athens, Greece, by two Lebanese Hezbollah terrorists and forced to fly to Beirut, Lebanon. The eight crews and one hundred and forty five passengers were then held for seventeen days, during which one American hostage was murdered. After being flown twice to Algiers, on the aircraft's return to Beirut the hostages were released after the US Government pressured the Israelis to release four hundred and thirty five Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners. June 9 US academic, Thomas Sutherland, at the American University, Beirut, Lebanon kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and held until 18 November 1991. September 25 Palestine Liberation Organisation Force 17 commando squad kills three Israeli tourists aboard at yacht in Larnica marina, Cyprus. The three strong group, including Briton Ian Davidson, are imprisoned by the Cypriots. September 30 Four Soviet diplomats kidnapped in Beirut, Lebanon by Islamic Liberation Organisation, which was thought to be a front for the Iranian backed Hezbollah. One of the Russians was killed but the other three were released unharmed after a relative of the terrorist group's leaders was kidnapped and killed by the Soviet KGB. October 7 Four Palestinian Liberation Front terrorists seize the Italian cruise liner, Achille Lauro, during a cruise in the eastern Mediterranean, taking more than seven hundred people hostage. One US passenger was murdered before the Egyptian Government offered the terrorists safe haven in return for the hostages' freedom. US Navy fighters incepted the Egyptian aircraft flying the terrorists to safety in Tunis and forced it to land at the NATO airbase in Italy, where the terrorists were arrested. The Italian authorities however let two of the terrorists leaders escape on diplomatic passports. November 23 Ninety eight passengers and crew of an Egyptair aircraft are held hostage by Palestinian terrorists at Luqa, Malta. Five passengers were shot by the terrorists and two died. An ill-planned assault by Egyptian Force 777 commandos resulted in some fifty seven passengers being killed when the terrorists set off explosives in the aircraft. December 27 Suicide grenade and gun attacks against passenger terminals at Rome and Vienna airports by the Abu Nidal terrorist group results in sixteen people being killed and more than 100 civilians injured. 1986 April 5 Two US soldiers are killed and seventy nine American servicemen are wounded in Libyan bomb attack on a night club in West Berlin, Germany. Ten days later US Air Force and Navy jets bomb targets in Libya in reprisal for the raids, hitting targets in Tripoli and Benghazi. One USAF F-111 is shot down in the raid killing its two crew. Some ninety three Libya civilians are killed in raids. Three British hostages held by Islamic groups in the Lebanon are killed in response to the raid. April 17 British television journalist John McCarthy seized in Beirut by Iranian backed terrorist and held hostage with a large group of other westerners until 8 August 1991. September 5 Pan American Boeing 747 seized by Arab terrorists in Pakistan. They kill seventeen hostages and wound another one hundred and twenty seven after panicking and thinking they were under attack. Pakistani security forces then stormed aircraft and freed the hostages. September 12 US academic at the American University in Beirut Joseph Cicippio seized in Beirut by Iranian backed Islamic terrorists. He is eventually released on 1 December 1991. September 17 A ten month series of bomb attacks in France attributed to Lebanese and Armenian terrorists begins. One bomb in Paris kills five and injures 52. October 21 American businessman Edward Tracy kidnapped in the Lebanon by Islamic terrorists and held for almost five years until 11 August 1991. 1987 January 10 British church envoy Terry Waite, disappears in Beirut, Lebanon, while on a mission to secure the release of other western hostages held in the city by Iranian backed groups. Eventually released on 18 November 1991. January 24 American citizens Jesse Turner and Alann Steen seized in Beirut by Islamic terrorists. Turner was held until 22 October 1991 and Steen is released on 3 December 1991. November 25 Two hang gliders used by Palestinian terrorist to cross into Israel from Lebanon. Six Israeli soldiers are killed during an attack on an army camp and eight wounded. 1988 5 February US Marine Corps Lieutenant Colonel W. Higgens, kidnapped and murdered by the Iranian backed Hezbollah while serving with the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organisation in southern Lebanon. March 16 Four thousand Kurdish civilians killed during Iraqi nerve gas attack against Halabja in northern Iraq, after Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein ordered weapons to be used to put down Kurdish revolt against rule from Baghdad. April 5 One hundred and twenty two people were held hostage after a Kuwaiti Boeing 747 was hijacked and diverted to Mashad, Iran, before flying on to Cyprus. The Kuwait Government refused requests by the Iranian backed Shia hijackers to release 17 convicted terrorists. After 15 days the hijackers were granted asylum in Algeria and released their hostages unharmed. June 26 US Naval Attache killed in Athens, Greece, by Nov 17th terrorist group. December 21 Pan Am Boeing 747 blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, by a bomb believed to have been placed on the aircraft at Frankfurt Airport, Germany. All 259 people on the aircraft were killed by the blast which has been attributed to a number of Middle Eastern terrorist groups. Two Libyan intelligence operatives are being tried in connection with this attack. 1989 May 12 British World War Two veteran Jackie Mann seized by Iranian backed terrorists in Beirut, Lebanon, and held until 23 September 1991. Four days latter German aid workers Heinrich Struebig and Thomas Kemptner were also kidnapped in the Lebanon by Islamic terrorists and held until June 1992. They were the last of some 80 westerners held hostage in Lebanon to be released. September 19 One hundred and seventy people killed when French UTA airliner explodes in mid-air over Niger. The French government issued warrants for the arrest of four Libyans. 1992 March 17 Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires, Argentina, devastated by bomb killing twenty and injuring scores more. Islamic terrorists suspected. May 2 One tourist was killed by Islamic Jihad terrorist who attacked the Israeli Red Sea resort of Eilat. Two terrorists were killed and one captured during the Israeli Defence Force follow-up operation. October 21 British female tourist shot during Islamic terrorist attack on tourist group at Beirut, Egypt. 1993 January 8 Islamic terrorists attempt to bomb bus carrying German tourists in Egypt. No one injured in attack. A day earlier Japanese tourists had been fired upon by terrorists in southern Egypt. February 26 World Trade Centre in New York, USA, badly damaged by a massive bomb planted by Islamic terrorists. The car bomb was planted in an underground garage and left six people dead and more than one thousand people injured. 1994 6 April: Hamas car bomb in Afula kills 8 and wounds 44. 13 April: Hamas bomb kills 5 and injures 30 in Hadera. July 18 Forty civilians killed in bomb attack on Jewish social centre in Buneos Aires, Argentina. Iranians diplomats in the city are expelled after being connected with the incident. October 19 Hamas suicide bomber kills 23 civilians and injures forty seven on a bus in the centre of Tel Aviv, Israel. October 23 Two Spanish nuns murdered by Islamic GIA terrorists in Algeria. 11 November: Islamic Jihad militant sets off bomb near Netzarim settlement in Gaza, killing 3 officers. 1995 22 January: Two Islamic Jihad militants blow themselves up amid a group of soldiers near Netanya, killing 21. 9 April: Islamic Jihad suicide bomber attacks military convoy in Gaza, killing 7 soldiers and an American tourist. May 5 Five foreign oil workers murdered by Islamic GIA terrorists in Algeria, as their campaign against the military regime gathers pace. June 26 Assassination attempt made against Egyptian President Honsi Mubarak in Addis Abbaba by Islamic radicals who ambushed his motorcade. July 24: Unidentified suicide bomber kills 6 passengers and himself on a bus outside Tel Aviv. July 25 Algerian GIC Islamic terrorists explode bomb in metro station in Paris, France, killing seven people and injuring eighty four. 21 August: Bomb on a Jerusalem bus kills 5 and wounds 69. November 13 Seven foreigners, including a number of US servicemen, are killed in bomb attack on National Guard training centre at Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. November 19 Islamic radicals plant bomb in Egyptian embassy in Pakistan killing seventeen. December 11 15 car bombings in Algiers by Algerian GIA Islamic terrorists kill fifteen civilians and hundreds more injured. 1996 February 11 Algerian GIA terrorists explode car bomb in Algiers killing seventeen. The following month, two more are killed in another GIA bomb in the Berroughi and ten are killed in a train ambush in western Algeria. February 25 Hamas suicide bomber kills 26 Israeli civilians on a bus in the Palestinian town of Hebron. An hour later one Israeli is killed and thirty five injured in Ashkelon, Israel, by another Hamas bomb. February 26 A Palestinian rams a bus queue in Tel Aviv Israel, killing one and wounding twenty three civilians. March 3 Eighteen killed and ten wounded in Hamas suicide bomb attack on bus in Jerusalem. 4 March: Thirteen civilians are killed and scores wounded when another Hamas suicide bomber attacks a shopping mall in Dizengoff Street, Tel Aviv. April 19 Eighteen Greek tourists were gunned down near the historic Pyramids in Egypt by Islamic terrorists aiming to destroy the country's tourist industry. June 25 Islamic radical terrorists opposed to the western military presence in the Gulf region, explode a truck bomb next to a USAF housing area at Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 19 American servicemen and 385 injuring more. August 26 Six Iraqi dissidents hijack a Sudan Airways A310 Airbus airliner en route from Khartoom to Jordan and divert it to Stanstead, England. After eight and one half hours negotiating with British authorities the hijackers release all the 13 crew and 180 passengers unharmed. December 23 A car bomb in the Algerian capital, Algiers, kills three and injures 70 people in cafe near the port. Islamic GIA guerillas are blamed. The day before a child had been killed in a bomb explosion at a school in the west of the country. December 29 A car bomb in the centre of Algiers, Algeria, kills 28 people and injures 35 people. This is the third GIA car bomb in the past week, killing 13 people and injuring more than 250. 1997 January 7 A car bomb in Algiers, Algeria, kills 13 and wounds 100 after being exploded in a shopping centre. GIA rebels kill 34 in two attacks on villages over the previous week. Two Arab bombs in Tel Aviv, Israel, leaves 13 injured. January 13 GIA Islamic rebels slit the throats of 14 villagers and behead them in an attack near the city of Bilda, Algeria. January 16 A car bomb in Boufarik, Algeria, kills 12 and injures dozens more in attack by the GIA Islamic guerillas. January 19 A car bomb in Algiers kills 45 and wounds 60, hours after another 36 people were killed by Algerian rebels south of the capital. A further 79 people were killed in attacks on villages the following day. A further bombing on the next day killed 18 and injured 44. January 21 Five people were killed in bomb attack on the Algerian garrison town of Blida. Muslim fundamentalist guerillas in Algeria kill 28 people with knives in attack on village to south of Algiers. February 24 One killed and 13 injured in bomb attack in Algeria. March 7 Two people killed in bus bomb attack in Beijing, China, which is blamed on Muslim extremists. March 22 32 civilians killed with knives and axes in attack by Muslim guerillas in northeast Algeria. 31 March: Palestinian Suicide bomber kills himself and 3 women at a Tel Aviv cafe. April 6 More than 90 civilians killed by Muslim guerillas in a series of attacks in Algeria, using chain saws and knives, other victims were burnt alive. April 22 93 attackers killed with knives, axes and shovels by Muslim guerillas to the south of the Algerian capital, Algiers. A further 42 people were killed in a similar attack the following day. May 4 Two car bombs killed 15 people and wounded 23 people in attack in northwest Algeria. 30 July: Two Palestinian terrorists blow themselves up in the Mahane Yehuda market, killing themselves and 16 shoppers. 4September Bomber kills a total of 20 Israelis. Palestinian extremists blamed. 4 September: Explosion in west Jerusalem kills 8, including 3 bombers, and wounds more than 170. September 18 Nine German tourists killed when Muslim fundamentalists fire bombed and machine gunned a bus in central Cairo, Egypt. The following day a policeman was killed in southern Egypt in a gun attack. September 22 200 people massacred by Muslim guerillas in suburb of Algerian capital, in attack with axes and knives. November 17 58 western tourists killed and dozens injured in gun attack on party visiting historic monuments in southern Egypt. Attack blamed on Islamic guerillas after six are killed in shoot out with police. December 23 Three killed and 70 wounded in car bomb attack in central district of the Algerian capital, Algiers. 1998 August 7 US Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar-es-Salem, Tanzania, heavily damaged by massive bomb attacks. In the Nairobi attack 247 people were killed, including 12 Americans, and 4,000 injured. Ten people were killed and 74 injured in Tanzania incident. US intelligence blames Islamic groups linked to Saudi dissident Osama Bin Laden. August 25 Three people killed and 25 injured in bomb attack on Planet Hollywood restaurant in Cape Town, South Africa. Muslims Against Global Oppression claims responsibility. August 27 18 injured in Tel Aviv bombing. 6 November: A palestinian terrorists car bomb at the Mahane Yehuda market kills two terrorists suicide bombers from Islamic Jihad and wounds 21. December 28 Yemini militants kidnap a group of western tourists, including 12 Britons, 2 Americans, and 2 Australians on the main road to Aden. Four victims were killed during a rescue attempt the next day. 2000 28 December: At least one palestinian terrorist bomb explodes on a bus near Tel Aviv, wounding 13 Israelis. 22 November: 2 Israelis killed and 55 wounded by a palestinian terrorists car bomb that explodes during the rush-hour in northern town of Hadera. 2 November: 2 Israelis killed by a powerful palestinian terrorists car bomb at central Jerusalem's Mahane Yehuda market, a frequent target of attacks. Islamic Jihad says it carried out the bombing. 2001 July 9 - A Palestinian suicide bomber was killed in a car-bombing attack near the Kissufim crossing point in the southern Gaza Strip, causing no other casualties. Disaster was averted as the bomb exploded without hitting any other vehicles. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack. July 2 - Two separate bombs exploded at about 8:20 Monday morning in cars in the Tel-Aviv suburb of Yehud. Six pedestrians were lightly injured. Police sources say the bombs were probably set by terrorists. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a radical PLO faction, claimed responsibility. June 22 - Sgt. Aviv Iszak, 19, of Kfar Saba, and Sgt. Ofir Kit, 19, of Jerusalem, were killed near Dugit in the Gaza Strip as a jeep with yellow Israeli license plates, supposedly stuck in the sand, blew up as they approached. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack. 1 June Tel Aviv, ISRAEL, . 2001. 23.50 hrs. A Arafat's authority terrorist suicide bomber killed 22 people in Tel Aviv. a sub Ashaf group called "Hezbollah...something..."(another undercover P.L.O. name)... claims responsibility for the coward crime. The bomb exploded in front of a crowded disco late Friday 1 June (23.50) At least 115 others were injured , 10 of them seriously, 22 moderately and 54 lightly, according to hospital sources. 27 May: A series of explosions rock central Jerusalem during morning rush-hour. There are no reports of serious injuries. 26 May: A car bomb explodes outside the central Jerusalem police station in an area packed with bars and restaurants, although no-one is injured. The hard line Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine says it carried out the attack. 25 May: Two separate explosions kill at least 4 and injure more than 60 in the northern Israeli town of Hadera and in Nablus in the West Bank. Suicide bombers die in both blasts although the Palestinians prepared a car bomb. 18 May: At least 5 people are killed and more than 30 injured when a suicide bomber blows himself up in Netanya. The bomber is believed to be among the dead. 6 May: A bomb placed in a rubbish bin in a bus station in a Tel Aviv suburb slightly injures a doris. 29 April: A Palestinian is killed when a bomb explodes near a Jewish settlers' school bus near the West Bank town of Nablus. 22 April: Two people are killed and more than 20 injured in a bus stop bombing in the town of Kfar Saba north of Tel Aviv. One was believed to be the bomber. The Popular Army Front claimed responsibility. 14 April: Two pipe bombs go off within an hour of each other, one in Kfar Saba and the other near the border with the West Bank. One person is injured in the second attack. 28 March: Three people are killed and several critically injured in a bomb explosion on the border between Israel and the West Bank. The Islamic militant group, Hamas, admits carrying out the attack. 27 March: Thirty people are injured in two separate bomb attacks in Jerusalem. A bomber is killed in the explosion. 26.March: Shalhevet Paz, a 10 months old Israeli baby was killed by a Arafat's sniperin with telescopic rifle from a Abu Senna Palestinian window to a childrens kindergarden in Hebron. 4 March: A suicide bomber blows himself up in Netanya, killing 3 Israelis and injuring dozens more. 1 March: At least one person is killed and 9 injured in an explosion in northern Israel. A group calling itself The Battalions of Return says it is responsible. 8 February: Two car bomb explosions in the heart of the ultra-Orthodox area of west Jerusalem. No-one is killed. 1 January: Car bomb explodes in west Jerusalem. One doris injured.
Admin Vista Posted November 26, 2010 Admin Report Posted November 26, 2010 Ok, they're both pretty long lists of deeds but if you read them in detail, the fundamental difference for me is that one is a list of state sponsored military action, the other is a list of very limited attacks on specific targets by small groups of individuals. Though I'm surprised I can't see 9/11 on the second list All that does for me is reinforce my belief that Islamic terrorists do not represent the entire Muslim faith. For example, Wiki estimates that there are about 1.57 billion Muslims comprising about 23% of the world's population. If all of those people were terrorists or terrorist sympathisers, do you not think that their attacks would be on a much much larger scale?
capri71 Posted November 26, 2010 Report Posted November 26, 2010 lol mine only goes from 1929 to 2001 - you want the last ten years? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ I did try to paste them into the thread but it threw up an error - took me like ten minutes to just select and copy!!!
Admin Vista Posted November 26, 2010 Admin Report Posted November 26, 2010 Not really, I'm sure if anyone searched hard enough they could find a website with statistics to support any claim in any argument. This is interesting for me though. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20101126/twl ... f21e0.html If all Muslims really support Islamic terrorism then why do Al Quaeda target places likely to impact their own faith and why do the Saudi's make any effort to stop them?
Retromotorsport Posted November 26, 2010 Report Posted November 26, 2010 Glad you posted that list .... because most of those are Palstinian ... ha history again, 1947, America (the UN ) decides to give the Jewish Nation a home.. so the nick a load of Land in Palastine and give it to the Jews to Call it Isreal.. and then using US sourced militry might they bomb and shoot teh Palastinians into a small strip , Gaza. No wonder we have another Freedom Fighter group start up like the French ressistance (who we, the west call Heroes) to fight for their freedom in their own land. Well f**k me, dont you think Essex would fight back if the Aussie's decide to clear out all the essex people and give it to the Aborigines .. yes i know this essex bloke would stick a bomb up their arse too. You cant nick my Essex and throw me out to the Norfolk Coast .. If you look at the vast majority of those attacks on Non Muslim and Muslim states in your list, they are responses, not first aggresions The PLO .. rsponsible for a lot of them.. what does PLO standfor.. its not Attack the West ..its Palastine Liberation Army .
Grizzley Dell Posted November 26, 2010 Report Posted November 26, 2010 thing is chaps, who gives a sheet about ancient history, its what is happening today thats important. yes as a country we did some sheet things in the past but havent we got past all that. i think its time to have the GREAT back in GREAT BRITAIN. we are losing our identity wether you lot like it or not.
Retromotorsport Posted November 26, 2010 Report Posted November 26, 2010 As Scott has pointed out, Many Muslim countries are doing their best to catch and foil Muslim extremists ..the same as in the 80's and 90's our police tried to arrest and foil plots by white Christian Extremists. The start of this debate was Muslim radicals , and a few of us have said its not all Muslim people, there are nutters on all sides of Religion.. well apart from buddists perhaps. and as such, we shouldnt tar every person with the brush we use to talk about the extremists.. And i still say the biggest enemey England has is America .. dont forget, our lads are dieing for the American Wars .. now ours, America have started all thses Wars ... and normally Armed the Countries they are now Fighting .. America seem to like arming a country, then next year deciding .. ' oohh they have guns, we best go get em back ' Have a Look at the Iran Contra affiair http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair Which Funded the US backed Fight in Nicuragua ... Its funny, Nicuragua's main crop was cocaine.. whilst the US was involved down there the street price of Cocaine fell by 75% And now, since the US has been in Afghanistan the street price of Heroin has also falling by something like 75% What the main crop from Afghanistan.. ohh yeah Opium Poppies .. And if you read the Senate papers on the funding of teh Contra's , they admit teh CIA funded it with Cocaine sales .. so how are teh US funded the war in Afghanistan .. by making smack easy to get on the streets of England, and turning people into junkies who then go on to steal and thieve from us..
Retromotorsport Posted November 26, 2010 Report Posted November 26, 2010 thing is chaps, who gives a sheet about ancient history, its what is happening today thats important. yes as a country we did some sheet things in the past but havent we got past all that. i think its time to have the GREAT back in GREAT BRITAIN. we are losing our identity wether you lot like it or not. The person who dosnt look at history is a fool.. you do it yourself, your history is what teaches you. So you use the past as an example in everyday life.. someone, somewhere put diesel in their petrol car, and fecked it up, so you know from that History not to put diesel in your petrol car And thats how we know that the Americans have killed more British people than any muslims, because the Americans keep getting us involved in THIER wars .. WArs the yanks started by meddling .. and wars that they historicly lose too.. Korea , Vietnam etc
Retromotorsport Posted November 26, 2010 Report Posted November 26, 2010 As for the Bible V The Qu'ran ( Koran ) Read this page.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_n ... the_Qur'an As your examples can be turned around easily ... Mohamed is the Son of Allah.. no, Jesus is the son of God Allah is the only god .... no God is the only God So we have a God , one called Allah, and one called God .. and they both had one Son .. sound the same story to me.. And as both books talk about Moses, Jonah and the whale etc .. its easy to see they are the same book of tales told by different people over thousands of years ..
capri71 Posted November 26, 2010 Report Posted November 26, 2010 your history is what teaches you. So you use the past as an example in everyday life.. He made a good point about you quoting ancient history... People used to think the world was flat - times change mate and don't give me "most of that stuff is palestinian" theres far too much on that link for you to have been through it all - just 2006 would take you a few hours to read. Vista - so when you or others you agree with paste something its proven fact but when people paste stuff you don't want to beleive in, its pony... how convenient for ya oh and retro - buddhists aren't mad no? http://buddhaspace.blogspot.com/2009/04 ... hists.html http://www.meditationtruth.com/buddhist ... yone-else/ I'm going to take this opportunity to leave the debate chaps - I think its gone well off topic in all honesty - we ALL agree its naughty to burn poppies, I think
Grizzley Dell Posted November 26, 2010 Report Posted November 26, 2010 my history goes back 40 years not to the dawn of bloody time.
capri71 Posted November 26, 2010 Report Posted November 26, 2010 my history goes back 40 years not to the dawn of bloody time.
Retromotorsport Posted November 26, 2010 Report Posted November 26, 2010 Capri 71... i did read most of them, upto teh point they mention 'jewish' 'Palestinian' 'PLO' 'Isreal' or 'Isreali' as thats a conflict that is separate from Muslim versus Christian or even teh west, It is about the East bank and West Bank .. the right for the Palastinians to defend their lands against those who would take them away from them. Just like we defended against Germany and Japan .. Some will argue that the Palistinians took the lands from the Jews 2000 years ago.. But if we hold to that, then we have to give America back to the Native Americans, and Australia back to teh Aborigines.. and worse still , we have to give the Falklands back to the French, who inturn should return the islands back to the Argintinians .. It aint happening lol That aside, surely you must agree that America is the cause of all this .. and it started in Iran..they gave them arms, then the gave Saddam weapons and money to fight Iran.. then the go after Saddam .. they have been involving themselves in Muslim countries affairs since the '70's and anyone knows ..you keep poking with a stick, and you'll get bitten ..
capri71 Posted November 26, 2010 Report Posted November 26, 2010 Capri 71... i did read most of them, upto teh That aside, surely you must agree that America is the cause of all this .. and it started in Iran..they gave them arms, then the gave Saddam weapons and money to fight Iran.. then the go after Saddam .. they have been involving themselves in Muslim countries affairs since the '70's and anyone knows ..you keep poking with a stick, and you'll get bitten .. yep, I'll go along with that... now go and look at the escort bmw frankenstein job - thats something we'd all REALLY love your assessment of
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