lotusless Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 This has already been mentioned on here but what are your thoughts on this ? from november 18th this year all vehicles built pre 1960 will be mot exempt. this is great news for any of our members into the early fords ( ME ) and it may push up prices of these models covered, and if it means more sit up + beg pops with cossie lumps in even better owners will be required to maintain there cars and keep them roadworthy + legal but its nice to have another freebie from the govt. Maybe they will roll it on if its a success to 1970 ? anyhoo lets hear your thoughts on this good or bad.
Col-ashtonmobile Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 I personally think its terrible and the sh.it will hit the fan when some death trap 1950,s morris oxford with fu,cked king pins and naff all brakes runs down a child cos he can't steer or stop properly , apparantly but I,m not certain the reason they are mot exempt is because they can't reach the computerised standards of todays modern mot machinary , so tell me the difference between a 1959 model austin cambridge and a 1961 model ? . I think they should all have to go for an annual safety test at an mot station and have a log book signed to say the vehicle is safe a bit like workshop equipment and fire extinguishers etc , that's my thoughts !.
Savvi Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 I have a 57 minor which has been stored since my Dad gave it to me 30 years ago, in theory i can get it out and drive it around, i wouldnt do this but im sure there's plenty of people that will. I think it's a silly idea there's no real reason why cars shouldnt be inspected every year, although the theory behind it is that most of these cars are owned by the type of people that maintain the car to higher then average i think there will always be someone who doesnt see or do it that way so as Col says could be a danger to the public.
PaulMags Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 I think its silly as i do alot of work on some old princesses and daimlers.wedding cars. my customer has about 13 and there all buckets of shite.look good for 6 months then the rot is coming back through as they only ever want them fanied to look good for a wedding.
monkeymoreton Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 i think it's just asking for trouble really as it'll bring out all the crap. i don't really like mot's but i know after mine has passed it's safe for another year with maintenance so instead of no mot why can't they have a simple mot to check brakes steering lights and if its a rotten pear.
banarama Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 madness there will be a few death traps on the road, rusty brake pipes rotten chassis, every car should be motd after the 1st year of being on the road
Skimmer Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 Sorry mate i have to dissagree with you MOT exempt means alot of dangerous old tat on the roads which could in affect do all the rest of the old stuff and end up with us all off the road especially if a few serious accidents happen etc etc and the DVLA dont usually give us motorists anything for nowt , ill still be gettin my fleet of 1929 to 1954 MOT's just as i do now ...Yearly This has already been mentioned on here but what are your thoughts on this ? from november 18th this year all vehicles built pre 1960 will be mot exempt. this is great news for any of our members into the early fords ( ME ) and it may push up prices of these models covered, and if it means more sit up + beg pops with cossie lumps in even better owners will be required to maintain there cars and keep them roadworthy + legal but its nice to have another freebie from the govt. Maybe they will roll it on if its a success to 1970 ? anyhoo lets hear your thoughts on this good or bad.
lotusless Posted June 24, 2012 Author Report Posted June 24, 2012 Mr skimmer i did not say it was great for the whole country just our members who are enthusiasts + would never drive a death trap i hope. i happen to think its shite coz of all the old sheds running around with big bits of iron flying off them .
Ken B Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 I think one of the reasons for its introduction, is the lack understanding of how these older cars components worked. As the older testers retire, the knowledge is not out there. Where I think the new rule fails, any modified car should continue to be MoT'd yearly, but those that are standard or original can be exempt. The reason for the 1960 date is that it is the same cut off for commercials currently.
puddy Posted June 24, 2012 Report Posted June 24, 2012 I think one of the reasons for its introduction, is the lack understanding of how these older cars components worked. As the older testers retire, the knowledge is not out there.Where I think the new rule fails, any modified car should continue to be MoT'd yearly, but those that are standard or original can be exempt. The reason for the 1960 date is that it is the same cut off for commercials currently. And apparently when they brought this in for tractors and the like, the reg no's were locked on to that vehicle then. So those of you with pre-60 cars with valuable reg's be warned ! puddy
BaileyMex Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 Sounds like an accident just waiting to happen, excuse the pun
popeye Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 crazy..... all motors should have MOTs...end of
Skimmer Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 So when you wrote "all vehicles built pre 1960 will be mot exempt. this is great news for any of our members into the early fords ( ME " ive oviously read it wrong the words "Great news" is usually used if someone agrees with something ??.......I personally think Non MOTs are bad news Mr skimmer i did not say it was great for the whole country just our members who are enthusiasts + would never drive a death trap i hope. i happen to think its shite coz of all the old sheds running around with big bits of iron flying off them .
lotusless Posted June 25, 2012 Author Report Posted June 25, 2012 I said great news for our members IE OLD FORDS again i did not say the whole motoring public anyhoo you dont like the free mot thing we get it can we just leave it now ? oh and mot's are just a piece of paper and lots of death traps are running around out there right now with a MOT because of a "blind" mot man.
DAZZA Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 I'd say watch the insurance premiums sky rocket as companies will be reluctant to cover untested cars. I understand voluntary tests will still be available, so the responsible amongst us still have the choice.
Fiesta Steve Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 If you are responsible you could just get the car serviced. Any problems will be highlighted and the repairs done. No need it to have to fail an MOT to get a repair done.
Russian Bear Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 The insurance companies we use haven't an official stance as yet. Currently Insurers ask for you car to be MOT'd as this proves the car is of a roadworthy and fit condition to be on the road. As in the event of an accident it is something that would be called upon amongst many other things to fulfil a claim request. Failure to do so would normally void you claim, the boys in blue would come knocking and you would personally be left with some hefty bills to pay.... Bearing in mind such statistics as quoted By Peter Woodman, Press Association Transport Correspondent Mon, May 21, 2012 13:05 "Pre-1960 licensed vehicles make up about 0.6% of the total number of licensed vehicles in Britain, but are involved in just 0.03% of road casualties and accidents." and a quote from the Roads Minister Mike Penning "Owners of classic cars and motorbikes tend to be enthusiasts who maintain their vehicles well - they don't need to be told to look after them, they're out there in all weathers checking the condition of the engine, tyres and bodywork." we do cover things such as Vintage/Classic Ex-Military Vehicles and Vintage commercial the guidelines and regulation is such that due to the age of vehicle they dont require an MOT. My personal view and opinion is that we would have to follow the rules changing. I think it would be fair for insurance companies to expect cars to be fit for purpose and that the the onus be on the individual to maintain the vehicle at a roadworthy state. If it is beyond your capabilities or you feel unsure of your vehicle, then pay for an MOT to be certain. So going to the Nth degree!! If people were hoping for a loop hole to create as hardcore a Rod or Car as they have in the US of A with no floors or brakes etc (Or maybe ive read this legislation all wrong??) Buy a car thats been off the road for many years and just expect to drive it?? None of it will fly with the insurance companies. I think a bit of morality and common sense comes into play aswell... If you knew a car was potentially unsafe?? Really would you want to drive it??
over_head_cam Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 Makes sense Greg. The vast majority of classic car owners are enthusiasts who are not owing/driving old cars because they are exempt from a rule but because they genuinely love them. The statistics don't lie and I think they represent a small risk to insurance companies. After all insurance is all about minimum risk
jas Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 People drive cars now which are bad with an mot.They drive round with bald tyres brakes hanging out etc.There do if it needs a mot or not,how many pre 60 cars not looked after do u see driving down the road mind u how many r left.If i had a pre 60 car i would worry more about the police picking on me more.
w p e Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 lets face it the mot's just another money spinner for the goverment to milk. the testers aint got a clue unless the computer says so. your car can pass then in 5 mins be defective due to blown bulbs broken brakelight switch master cylinder blows you could go on and on theres not a motor out there that if checked properly would pass a proper inspection. so is it built in 1960 or registered in 1960? as per the tax excempt thing [ 72 ] mines first registered 1961 but could have been built in 1960 abd probley was
banarama Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 lets face it the mot's just another money spinner for the goverment to milk. the testers aint got a clue unless the computer says so. your car can pass then in 5 mins be defective due to blown bulbs broken brakelight switch master cylinder blows you could go on and on theres not a motor out there that if checked properly would pass a proper inspection. so is it built in 1960 or registered in 1960? as per the tax excempt thing [ 72 ] mines first registered 1961 but could have been built in 1960 abd probley was well said youn man, couldn,t agree more
w p e Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 how do i find out? anyone got a clue could save me a phone call and a few bob as its just run out
lotusless Posted June 29, 2012 Author Report Posted June 29, 2012 how do i find out? anyone got a clue could save me a phone call and a few bob as its just run out Anglia owners club ? send them your chassis number and see if they can tell you. http://www.fordanglia105eownersclub.co. ... /pre-1962/
scootlife Posted June 30, 2012 Report Posted June 30, 2012 lets face it the mot's just another money spinner for the goverment to milk. the testers aint got a clue unless the computer says so. your car can pass then in 5 mins be defective due to blown bulbs broken brakelight switch master cylinder blows you could go on and on theres not a motor out there that if checked properly would pass a proper inspection. so is it built in 1960 or registered in 1960? as per the tax excempt thing [ 72 ] mines first registered 1961 but could have been built in 1960 abd probley was Its not the govermnent milking it, its the garages !! Why do so many garages like to do mots only now?? The mot costs around £2 . The garage then hikes the price up to what they want to charge. I think the maximum they can charge is £54 at the moment. My local garage has just gone up to £26 from £25 !! Hes a car enthusiast has gets all custom cars and old cars going to him as hes not silly. (hes currently got a V8 mk3 Cortina awaiting restoration- an old goodyear 1970s advert one). I do agree than some kind of inspection should be done, as this will be a loophole for many badly maintained deathtraps. I can imagine how many land rovers will be around with pre 60 loglooks!! However most genuine car enthusiasts will have a very well maintained and safe car, its just the minority as usual.
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