Contradictions

[Smudger105e]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

 

There seem to have been several threads lately which are saying

 

a) the police are crap, they are too petty

 

the police are crap, they are not strict enough

 

c) the law is crap because it is too stict on speeding (when it's us) but not strict enough on other offences

 

d) the law is crap because they don't remove the hands of car theives.

 

Now, we can't have it both ways.

 

I like watching the Police Stop type programmes on telly, and when a chav gets handcuffed and bundled into the back of the van, they invariably start shouting about their human rights, 'you can't touch me' and all that crap. What about my rights when they are nicking my car or burgaling my house?

 

If I caught a burglar in my house, I would give him a good pasting. And I would be the one in court for it. When a group of travellers lived in the middle of Ashfield for a couple of weeks they terrorised the locals, and the Police had difficulty identifying the culprits. They even stole a Notts County Council lorry, and when the Council rung them on the mobile that was in it, they offered to sell it to the Council for a grand!! The locals are going to sort them out with baseball bats next time, as the law was unable to help them.

 

We should be campaigning for OUR rights to live in society and deliver our own justice when needed. It's just HOW do we do that?...

[Daggle]

I just wish we could go back to the '70s and Police it like it was back then, all the kids would be sh*t scared of the cops cause you would get a smack if you done anything wrong and then another one when you got home and mum and dad found out, You could chase crims without the public bleating when the crims crash and hurt themselves....

 

Now there are less and less chases cause the supervisors won't authorise them and call them off when the speeds start to increase, FFS!! I have been trained to drive at high speed, I have been on courses for car control and how to tactically pursue and stop vehicles, but I m not allowed to do this in case some little toe rag gets hurt, but when I am authorised to stop vehicles by T-Pac options, then I will go in hard, very hard, I will use the Volvo to smash the front end off the bandit vehicle or ram it into something solid, that way the pursuit ends and if little Jonny behind the wheel gets hurt then hopefully he will think about nicking someone elses car next time.

 

As I tell the little buggars round my way if, you see a Volvo in your rear view mirror and you want to make off, you better be good, cause there ain't much that can out run one, and even if you have something good then you better be able to drive (most 17yr old toerags can't drive for toffee!!)

[Vista]

I just wish we could go back to the '70s and Police it like it was back then, all the kids would be sh*t scared of the cops cause you would get a smack if you done anything wrong and then another one when you got home and mum and dad found out, You could chase crims without the public bleating when the crims crash and hurt themselves....

 

Now there are less and less chases cause the supervisors won't authorise them and call them off when the speeds start to increase, FFS!! I have been trained to drive at high speed, I have been on courses for car control and how to tactically pursue and stop vehicles, but I m not allowed to do this in case some little toe rag gets hurt, but when I am authorised to stop vehicles by T-Pac options, then I will go in hard, very hard, I will use the Volvo to smash the front end off the bandit vehicle or ram it into something solid, that way the pursuit ends and if little Jonny behind the wheel gets hurt then hopefully he will think about nicking someone elses car next time.

 

As I tell the little buggars round my way if, you see a Volvo in your rear view mirror and you want to make off, you better be good, cause there ain't much that can out run one, and even if you have something good then you better be able to drive (most 17yr old toerags can't drive for toffee!!)

 

I hear what you're saying Daggle and agree with most of it's content and all of the reasons for saying it, but whilst I'm sure you are a highly trained pursuit driver behind the wheel of a car that is capable of travelling at high speed. The little shit you are chasing has neither the skill nor the vehicle to maintain this safely. Whilst I couldn't give a stuff about his safety, often innocent bystanders are caught up in it, and this kind of collateral damage isn't acceptable. I'm sorry to say it but I'd rather 100 little tossers escape than one child gets killed by them on a zebra crossing as they try and evade you. I'm not saying it's your fault for chasing them as clearly they can't be allowed to run amok, I also believe that anyone who breaks the law gets all they deserve, but there are a number of these kind of pursuits that do end up with tragic consequences.

[caprifan]

...I truely do think that everyone is missing a huge part of the problem....the courts, and some of the punishments.....when the Police do actually decide to pursue and arrest criminals (no offence Daggle) they can go to some long hard dangerous lengths to actually catch them for a judge to either hand over some half arsed slap on the wrist or £20 fine and a chat with a counsellor.....if the punishment was servere for crimes then I honestly believe there would be less crime....oh yes and for 'prisons' to be King hard and not holiday camps................just my opinion....

 

..oh yes nearly forgot...if the prisons are full...BUILD MORE King PRISONS...it aint rocket science.....

[Slik 50]

..oh yes nearly forgot...if the prisons are full...BUILD MORE f*cking PRISONS...it aint rocket science.....

 

A few years ago I was working as an industrial roofer on a "Young offenders prison" in Rugby.

This place was a multi million pound build, All to make sure that the inmates recive they appropriate rehabilitaion. They got there own sports gym, education center and there own cell wich was equiped with there own "en-suit" bathroom. This thing cost a bloody fortune, Just to house 40 chavs

 

Frikin 40 kids. give me a million quid and I will house a 100 of the f*ckers and still have change left

And another thing when I have finnished with them they will be rehabilatated enough never to want to step foot inside my prison again

[Gareth]

My Girlfriend worked near a detention centre,

and the inmates rioted 'coz the bottled water went up from,

get this, free to 40p....

 

...40 fookin pence!!!! It's nearly half the price you pay in shops

 

I really think they should bring back the death penalty.

That'd make the c*nts think twice.....

 

You can still be hanged for treason, why not mass rape/murder

[Daggle]

[quote name="I really think they should bring back the death penalty.

That'd make the c*nts think twice.....

 

You can still be hanged for treason' date=' why not mass rape/murder

[Stu_B]

I wouldn't care if prison was a holiday camp!! It's not the idea of the facilities that scares me, it the rough cnuts I'd be locked up with!!

[Gareth]

I wouldn't care if prison was a holiday camp!! It's not the idea of the facilities that scares me, it the rough cnuts I'd be locked up with!!

 

"Pass the soap...."

[escort21]

I likes a good hangin I does

[DeuceCoupe]

I likes a good hangin I does

 

no electrocution (cant spell)

[ZetecVan 2.0]

I read an artlce on the net the other day that was titled 'In The UK, Only Criminals Have Rights'

 

Here it is:

 

A Chief constable was accused of 'madness' last night after refusing to release pictures of two escaped murderers amid fears it might breach their human rights.

 

Derbyshire's top policeman David Coleman claimed the killers posed 'no risk' to locals, while the force said it had to consider the Human Rights Act and data protection laws when asked to publish 'wanted' photographs of the two men.

 

Mr Coleman's attitude towards murderers Jason Croft and Michael Nixon contrasts sharply with his ruthless crackdown on speeding drivers in recent years - including a 62-year-old who was jailed after being caught doing 38mph in a 30mph zone.

 

The father of a teenager bludgeoned to death by Nixon angrily suggested Mr Coleman and his force needed to 'sort their priorities out' and revealed the police had not bothered to contact him to say his son's killer was on the run.

 

Jimmy Leckey, whose 19-year-old son Paul was murdered in 1995, said: 'This is madness, totally ridiculous. The police should be out there catching dangerous criminals rather than chasing motorists.

 

'And to suggest they had to consider Nixon's human rights is unbelievable. He is a convicted murderer. What about my human rights and my son's human rights?'

 

Derbyshire Constabulary had been asked by the media to provide pictures of Nixon and Croft, both 28, after it emerged they had absconded from Sudbury open prison in Derbyshire two months ago.

 

Both are still on the run, but the Derbyshire force said there was 'no proper policing purpose' in releasing pictures and claimed the men posed no risk to Derbyshire residents because they were thought to have left the county.

 

The force added that the Chief Constable had to take into account 'the Human Rights and Data Protection Acts' before releasing any photos.

 

Mr Coleman's decision was dismissed as 'absolute nonsense' by the Lord Chancellor, was blasted by incredulous MPs and was even ridiculed by the ultraliberal human rights group Liberty.

 

Mr Coleman was left humiliated when Greater Manchester Police released the photos of the two wanted men together with an appeal for information, making a mockery of Derbyshire's claims that publishing the pictures would breach guidelines set by the Association of Chief Police Officers.

 

Nixon and Croft were both being held at the category D Sudbury open prison to finish their life sentences, which were both imposed in 1996.

 

The two men, both from Manchester, were being held there to help prepare them for release, and had been allowed periods of home leave and work placements. Croft went missing on October 31 and Nixon failed to appear at a roll call on November 2.

 

They escaped from Sudbury days after staff had spent a £25,000 Home Office 'high performance' bonus on a champagne black-tie dinner at Derby FC's stadium. Mr Leckey added: 'My son's killer has been on the run for two months now, but I've only found out about it from the media - the police didn't tell me or my family. It's totally despicable.

 

'I have been ringing relatives to warn them because I'm worried he'll be back for revenge. But that should be the job of the police.'

 

The two fugitives are among 660 inmates who have gone missing from Sudbury in the last ten years, including 13 in the past two months.

 

Lord Chancellor Lord Falconer dismissed any suggestion that the Human Rights Act may prevent publication of the photos of two convicted killers as 'absolute nonsense'.

 

He also said he wanted 'some explanation' as to why the images of the two convicts had not been put out sooner.'When you are dealing with two convicted murderers, both of whom have absconded, it is utterly obvious that there is no public interest arising out of the Human Rights Act which prevents publication,' he said.

 

A spokesman for Acpo said there are no specific guidelines relating to the publication of photographs of convicted criminals who have escaped from prison.

 

She added: 'Escaped prisoners need to be captured and returned to prisons as soon as possible. This is particularly true in the case of dangerous escapees who have committed murder and other violent offences.'

 

The Information Commissioner's Office, the department responsible for access to, and the protection of, information also said that data protection rules cannot be used as a reason not to release such images.

 

Shami Chakrabarti, director of Liberty, said: 'Nothing in the Human Rights Act prevents publishing pictures to capture a fugitive - on the contrary, the rights of potential victims may create an obligation to do so.'

 

Derbyshire police had released a statement saying: 'When making a decision to release any photograph, police forces must take into account numerous factors including the public interest test, whether there is a strong local policing purpose and, of course, the Human Rights and Data Protection Acts.

 

'Acpo guidance states that releasing a "wanted" photograph of a named person should only happen in exceptional circumstances where officers believe that the named suspect may be a danger to the public.'

 

Later the force claimed its spokesman had been talking in general terms and not specifically about Nixon and Croft.

 

In a new statement the force said: 'This decision was based on the fact that there was no policing purpose to be served by the release of these photographs in Derbyshire, as inquiries indicated that Croft and Nixon had fled the county and posed no risk to Derbyshire residents.

 

'Derbyshire Constabulary would like to strongly point out that the human rights of the individuals in question had no bearing and were not the reason the pictures were not released.

 

'In making this decision the rights and safety of the public will always come before those of convicted offenders.'

 

Last year the government admitted public protection had to be given greater priority in the Human Rights Act after serial sex attacker Anthony Rice murdered a doris after using the Act to help secure his release from prison.

 

Daggles right. My dad was scared of the police because if he was caught doing anything, they'd give him a clip round the ear and say 'I know your dad'. The threat of his dad finding out was enough to stop him from doing anything. Nowadays, the parents seem to side with the kids.

 

And also Caprifan. Smudger, you say you watch the Police Camera type programs when they nick chavs who'd broken into cars. What do they get? A £40 fine and slap on the wrist. That's the same fine as I got for forgetting to send in the vehicle change of ownership form.

 

Crimes against peoples property don't seem to be treated seriously enough by the courts

[Slik 50]

I am amazed at the above post

[Cookie]

Wonder if this dude would come and sort our joke of a sysytem out???

 

 

THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO, HE IS THE MARICOPA

COUNTY SHERIFF( ARIZONA ) AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER

AGAIN.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These are some of the reasons why:

 

Sheriff Joe Arpaio created the "tent city jail" to save Arizona from

spending tens of million of dollars on another expensive prison complex.

 

He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for

them.

 

He banned smoking and porno magazines in the jails, and took away their

weight-lifting equipment and cut off all but "G" movies. He says:

"they're in

jail to pay a debt to society not to build muscles so they can assault

innocent people when they leave."

 

He started chain gangs to use the inmates to do free work on county and

city

projects and save taxpayer's money.

 

Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for

discrimination.

 

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order

that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but

only allows the Disney channel and the weather channel.

 

When asked why the weather channel he replied: "so these morons will know

how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs."

 

He cut off coffee because it has zero nutritional value and is therefore

a

waste of taxpayer money. When the inmates complained, he told them, "This

isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."

 

He also bought the Newt Gingrich lecture series on US history that he

pipes

into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by

a

Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series that actually tells

the truth for a change would be welcome and that it might even explain

why

95% of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.

 

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees

just

set a new record for June 2nd), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000

inmates living in a barbed- wire-surrounded tent encampment at the

Maricopa

County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their

government-issued pink boxer shorts.

 

On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing pink boxer shorts were chatting in

the

tents, where temperatures reached 128 degrees. "This is hell. It feels

like

we live in a furnace," said Ernesto Gonzales, an inmate for 2

years with 10 more to go. "It's inhumane."

 

Joe Arpaio, who makes his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna

sandwiches,

is not one bit sympathetic. "Criminals should be punished for their

crimes -

not live in luxury until it's time for parole, only to go out and commit

more crimes so they can come back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy

things many taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves."

Wednesday he told all the inmates who were complaining of the heat in the

tents: "It's between 120 to 130 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are

living

in tents too, and they have to walk all day in the sun, wearing full

battle gear and get shot at, and they have not committed any crimes, so

shut

your damned mouths!"

 

Way to go, Sheriff! If all prisons were like yours there would be a lot

less

crime and we would not be in the current position of running out of

prison spaces.

If you agree, pass this on.

If not, just delete it.

 

Sheriff Joe was just re-elected in Maricopa County , Arizona .

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Trevmk3]

JOE ARPAIO, he sounds like a bloke with some sense, would be interesting to talk to him over a few beers and hear his thoughts on this countries system of jail

[ZetecVan 2.0]

I saw a program on him a few years ago. Yes, get him over here NOW!