1700 crossflow off ebay

[windsor]

Bought a rebuilt 1700 crossflow off  ebay buy it now that was being sold by a member on the forum  (no names at the mo)

recomend'ed by another member.(no names at the mo) Deposit by paypal cash on collection.

Even agree'd after a week or so   to cancel the transaction on the sellers request to save him ebay fees .

Had engine fitted by a respected old school mechanic ,instead of fitting it myself ,mainly because he could set it up on his  rolling road  .Went to visit him just as he was starting it for the first time.Great it started and ran sweet for about 30 sec  he then switched it off and told me it would be ready the following day which was last sat and i went away happy.

Got a phone call an hour or so later .bad news it was running  sweet balanced the carbs checking the timing and it just stopped ,put a spanner on crank bolt and it would not turn siezed solid.

 lifted it out and Dropped the sump to find two of the jurnalls and one main  bone dry .

Hand deeply in pocket now

[Dom]

Ok,

 

Is this a blame type thing or a frustrated and venting type thing?

[windsor]

Its a dont make the same mistake i made thing.

[Dom]

Oki, sorry dude, that's shit

[mk2 mike]

Have you spoken to the seller about it?

[windsor]

Before i knew the extent of the damage yes .but since the strip no, has not replied to my text.

[jamie]

Sorry to hear that...   Hope you get the issues sorted...

[bigbadsquare]

Sorry to hear this mate, excuse my ignorance how do the journals and the mains get bone dry ? What can be done to avoid this , just bought a xflow of ebay myself .

[windsor]

If i find out bigbadsquare ill let you know.

and thanks for the reply's all.

[SmokeEm]

Why all the no names stuff? If you've genuinely been had over, surely said person should be named and given a chance to respond publicly??

[norm1]

i think the buyer should contact the seller before he names and shames on a forum ,,maybe genuine mistake ,, if the buyer gets no responce from him then let him be slated in public veiw

[windsor]

They know who they are if they want to respond. my fault for being so trusting just  got to bite the bullet and move on.

[over_head_cam]

Hopefully this can be resolved without a public argument. It would be good to get it sorted

[windsor]

have tried contacting the seller norm1 .the reason i've not named them is to give the a chance to respond to me personaly

[norm1]

same as,, over ..head ,,cam ,, i wish you luck aswell and hope you can sort it out ,, i hate the feeling of being done ,,good luck

[windsor]

It gets worse ,crack in cylinder head  between inlet and exhaust valves no 1 cylinder not fully checked others  ,30 thou gap in piston rings to cylinder bore, rear oil seal fitted wrong way around  throwing oil into bellhousing ,pitting on cam lobes.

spoke to seller yesterday still insists it was perfect when he rebuilt it .said he would get back to me last night but did'nt.

[SmokeEm]

Time to name names then

[Ray]

im not sure that naming names will do you any one any good on a legal stance, especially if your going to make a claim through the courts

 

questions i ask at this stage would be

 

was it a hobby build or does the guy do it for a living

what was the condition you bought it, ie newly re-built, re-built x miles ago, as remeoved etc etc, how many miles since re-build

this will give you an idea of legal standing

then go to a solicitor and get half hour free advice

 

even a private seller has warranty liabilities, but its all about how it was termed in a sale, print off the e-bay page for records

 

dont slate publically with names though, or it could be you thats on the end of legal proceedings

 

if all fails, then a few old skool door men escorting him to a cashpoint to relieve him of your dosh could be an answer (i didnt type that did i)

[SmokeEm]

It will make others not make the same mistake. That's why names are required. How would you feel being stitched up by same guy next week?

[irishtorag]

I agree with smokem

if he is genuine it will be sorted straight away no questions

in which case he will gladly take praise

if not sorted name him/her as its not the first or last time it will happen

 

Doesn't do the forum a good service when members sell crap to each other

[windsor]

Had a few conversations with him today .still insists the engine was perfect as he stripped it down himself to make sure it was ok even say's he fitted new shells .and trying to say ive abused it .does not believe its been sat in my garage up till 2 weeks ago.

so dont want to name names as yet.

[SmokeEm]

You can't keep moaning if you are not prepared to name n shame. How will you feel if someone else on here gets stitched and YOU could've stopped it happening?

[windsor]

Im not moaning i'.Just following up comments .

[Vista]

Unfortunately caveat emptor (buyer beware) very much applies in private sale deals.

 

If the engine had never been run, the seller could legitimately claim that the fault must lie with whoever started it up for the first time not priming the oil pump/system properly. If the seller isn't prepared to refund on a goodwill basis (and who would if they genuinely believed that the engine they handed over was 100% good?)then proving liability on the part of the seller and getting your money back will be a difficult and expensive process.

 

Edit: Just read thread again and note the stuff about incorrect assembly and cam lobe pitting. Difficult for anyone to defend this but equally difficult for you to prove that they were pre-existing faults.

[dalmarshall]

I tend to agree with vista on this.

You always taking a chance buying engines off ebay and proving anything will be difficult. If he insists it was built properly and you insist you commissioned it correctly you're at a sticky wicket and will probably have to leave it as a 'live and learn' experience!