colr6 Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 Right so we have the debate of Zetec or Red top. A little puzzle for all you Zetec spivs and lovers. Is it possible to build a zetec to produce 230/40 bhp stay in one piece and to last more than one season built by an average builder and not have to sell a kidney to achieve those results. Would love to hear your views and it must be n/a and not turboed. Give it your best shot then boys Oh yes and must have all the bits on to install in RWD version.
Danish Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 It's a point of principle for me - Ford badge on the engine regardless of the relative merits. Even if it's a really tenuously Ford engine, like my Duratec 5-pot. That isn't answering your question, but I thought I'd put my bit in
eeb43 Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 what would need doing to an st170 to gain 60/70 bhp?
RWL81P Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 Right so we have the debate of Zetec or Red top. A little puzzle for all you Zetec spivs and lovers. Is it possible to build a zetec to produce 230/40 bhp stay in one piece and to last more than one season built by an average builder and not have to sell a kidney to achieve those results. Would love to hear your views and it must be n/a and not turboed. Give it your best shot then boys Oh yes and must have all the bits on to install in RWD version. it would be very fast if ya threw one off dover cliffs! 1
RWL81P Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 what would need doing to an st170 to gain 60/70 bhp? dont know a great deat about duratecs, bit better than a zetec, but if the numbers are correct when ive seen modded ones, then it seems they dont need a great deal done to get decent power out of em.
eeb43 Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 dont know a great deat about duratecs, bit better than a zetec, but if the numbers are correct when ive seen modded ones, then it seems they dont need a great deal done to get decent power out of em. st170 is a zetec not a duratec
RWL81P Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 st170 is a zetec not a duratec told you i didnt know much about em! they seem to be making up to 200hp then, but still not fast.
eeb43 Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 my nephew was running an st170 in a mk2 escort standard engine apart from arp bolts and an aftermarket head gasket with an eaton blower on from a baby mercedes that produced 240 bhp
RWL81P Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 my nephew was running an st170 in a mk2 escort standard engine apart from arp bolts and an aftermarket head gasket with an eaton blower on from a baby mercedes that produced 240 bhp with forced induction any engine will produce power. probably the cheapest and easiest way round it. but aspirated would take a lot of money toget near that!
RWL81P Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 bog standard 100k engine that cost £150 i know thats cheap, but N/A engine running over 200hp would soon empty your bank.
khanlad Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 The red top has a higher starting hp figure apart from the st170, so im guessing they would cost a similar amount to screw 100's of hp out of?
RWL81P Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 The red top has a higher starting hp figure apart from the st170, so im guessing they would cost a similar amount to screw 100's of hp out of? i dont think any are cheap to extract power unless ya buy one with a snail on the side and plug it into a kids confuser
eeb43 Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 The red top has a higher starting hp figure apart from the st170, so im guessing they would cost a similar amount to screw 100's of hp out of? biggest problem with the xe was head problems caused by vauxhall having them made by 4 or 5 different casting companies meaning that only about 10 percent lasted more than 12 months 1 version was so bad that most of them had been replaced in the first 3 months
RWL81P Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 biggest problem with the xe was head problems caused by vauxhall having them made by 4 or 5 different casting companies meaning that only about 10 percent lasted more than 12 months 1 version was so bad that most of them had been replaced in the first 3 months as much as i hate xe engines, theyre easy to get power out of!
khanlad Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 Youve got to imagine the shitty ones are long gone by now if the were that crap?
khanlad Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 Nothing is cheap when you start wanting more power
RWL81P Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 Nothing is cheap when you start wanting more power exactly true! i putting a pinto together, wanting 190-200hp
eeb43 Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 exactly true! i putting a pinto together, wanting 190-200hp good luck!!!!!!!! lol
RWL81P Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 good luck!!!!!!!! lol its not luck i need, getting the powers easy, its money that go's when wanting power! £600 pistons, £400 gaskets and bearings, about £400 on machineing, harris head, tony law manifold, weber 48s. oh and all the arp bolts and paddle clutch.
colr6 Posted July 2, 2017 Author Report Posted July 2, 2017 as much as i hate xe engines, theyre easy to get power out of! Put in a nutshell there, you don't need a coscast head as believed by many. A piece of tube cures the problem or prevents the problem on a GM head. A good cometic gasket as you would use on any decent build cures the other problem. A well screwed together engine will produce 230 bhp all day long and Rev it's nuts off without going bang. Use good oil and frequent changes keeps them rotating. The best thing is, it don't break the bank to do it!
RWL81P Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 Put in a nutshell there, you don't need a coscast head as believed by many. A piece of tube cures the problem or prevents the problem on a GM head. A good cometic gasket as you would use on any decent build cures the other problem. A well screwed together engine will produce 230 bhp all day long and Rev it's nuts off without going bang. Use good oil and frequent changes keeps them rotating. The best thing is, it don't break the bank to do it! like i said i dont like em, but very tuneable with only top end work, much like a pinto. another shite ford engine for making power was the cvh. reliable but crap for power.
Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted July 3, 2017 Moderator Report Posted July 3, 2017 Ultimate power is irrelevant in the end. You can only fit this to Zetecs! Looks sooooo good!
eeb43 Posted July 3, 2017 Report Posted July 3, 2017 so how about using a saab turbo engine the one with the red coil pack in the middle?
RWL81P Posted July 3, 2017 Report Posted July 3, 2017 so how about using a saab turbo engine the one with the red coil pack in the middle? didnt vauxhall build engines for saab? ecotec and their v6
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