C,mon convince ME

[eeb43]

not that version no

[RWL81P]

they were definitly fitted in some saabs though.

[eeb43]

and that was the downfall of saab!!!!! gm wanted saab to produce a saab quality vehicle and sell it at slightly more than a vauxhall price and that would mean making a loss  so saab continued to make a quality car and gm pulled the plug as it was losing money

[eeb43]

like i said i dont like em, but very tuneable with only top end work, much like a pinto. another shite ford engine for making power was the cvh. reliable but crap for power.

the cvh was a turd from day one no power and smoked like a train the 1100 was so bad ford discontinued it after about 3 months and went back to the 1100 crossflow

[colr6]

So going by the diversion off the original question, pound for pound to achieve the 230/40 bhp the red top is the winner then ?

[eeb43]

if they were readily available possibly! much prefer the saab engine though even a sidevalve over any vauxhall!

[RWL81P]

So going by the diversion off the original question, pound for pound to achieve the 230/40 bhp the red top is the winner then ?

i would imagine so col. still dont like em though

[colr6]

You would have thought by the volume of zetecs been used for the tuning side because if their availability the parts would be cheaper by now with more suppliers getting on the band wagon as you might say. Even with the Duratecs from what I understand are more forgiving on the power front they are as equally expensive to get good power outputs.

[aardvark101]

You are gonna need a lot of dollar to get 200bhp+ na from a zetec, and then it will be nervous as fook.

 

Oh btw   ST-170 ENGINES ONLY PUT OUT 150 ISH BRAKE AS STANDARD not 170 

[colr6]

You are gonna need a lot of dollar to get 200bhp+ na from a zetec, and then it will be nervous as fook.

 

Oh btw   ST-170 ENGINES ONLY PUT OUT 150 ISH BRAKE AS STANDARD not 170 

This was my whole point of going Red top, yes not a Ford engine but when it's power your after on a budget the obvious choice. Apart from that we had 6/7 kicking about plus all the parts and knowledge from national hot rod racing. Know a few people who have chosen supposed specialist in the red top tuning world with claims of 290/300bhp out of there engines or 'kits' most of them utter the round ones and Rip your kidneys and heart out to find out there 25/30bhp down on there claims. I have a few parts from one particular company supposed leader in red top tuning....rubbish yes they did produce a few engines that give fantastic figures on a test bench in controlled environment to get their name as the market 'leaders' so it's a must for everyone to buy at over inflated prices. Makes we laugh when you read there claims and all the supposed development work that goes into their products to be the dogs the round ones then you get it and it's crap. We all live and learn.

[RWL81P]

This was my whole point of going Red top, yes not a Ford engine but when it's power your after on a budget the obvious choice. Apart from that we had 6/7 kicking about plus all the parts and knowledge from national hot rod racing. Know a few people who have chosen supposed specialist in the red top tuning world with claims of 290/300bhp out of there engines or 'kits' most of them utter the round ones and Rip your kidneys and heart out to find out there 25/30bhp down on there claims. I have a few parts from one particular company supposed leader in red top tuning....rubbish yes they did produce a few engines that give fantastic figures on a test bench in controlled environment to get their name as the market 'leaders' so it's a must for everyone to buy at over inflated prices. Makes we laugh when you read there claims and all the supposed development work that goes into their products to be the dogs the round ones then you get it and it's crap. We all live and learn.

the one in declan munnellys drift escort is a cracking engine, the best red top ive seen or heard. although his wasnt a buget engine. 2.3

[katana]

Not knowing much about Vauxhall engines - what cars were they from? Just thinking that Vauxhall were big into the Touring Car Series so producing a strong engine for that would have its advantages?

[Vista]

Not knowing much about Vauxhall engines - what cars were they from? Just thinking that Vauxhall were big into the Touring Car Series so producing a strong engine for that would have its advantages?

They were fitted to most through the late 80's and early 90's. Think mk2 Astra GTE 16valve (their first use to my knowledge) Cavalier mk3, Calibra etc

[RWL81P]

They were fitted to most through the late 80's and early 90's. Think mk2 Astra GTE 16valve (their first use to my knowledge) Cavalier mk3, Calibra etc

secret vauxhall fan!

[Vista]

secret vauxhall fan!

I owned a mk1 Astra in about 88, a 1.6SR and I loved it. Bought a Calibra in about 95 and hated it, it lasted less than 4 weeks.

[deltamal]

The nasp 2.4  Cossie YB produced 265 brake, but it did cost £6500, with the NOS  guess it was well over 300 brake, power costs money! cheaper fix is with a big turbo, but I didn't want that.

[preacherman]

which is easier and less expensive to install - Pinto - Zetec - GM red top

 

Which one respond best to tuning

 

Which one has the most BHP / Torque in standard set up.

 

I just replaced my Pinto with another , ok ots just over 100 bhp i would have liked a zetec but my lack of mechanical ability and know how put me off other converstions and pockets arent that deep.

[RWL81P]

which is easier and less expensive to install - Pinto - Zetec - GM red top

 

Which one respond best to tuning

 

Which one has the most BHP / Torque in standard set up.

 

I just replaced my Pinto with another , ok ots just over 100 bhp i would have liked a zetec but my lack of mechanical ability and know how put me off other converstions and pockets arent that deep.

think the mighty pinto is the most tuned engine in the world! theres millions of them left, either N/A or YB form. and if ya class the YB as a pinto, which it is! then theyve made over 800hp! not bad for a cortina derived engine!

[katana]

think the mighty pinto is the most tuned engine in the world! theres millions of them left, either N/A or YB form. and if ya class the YB as a pinto, which it is! then theyve made over 800hp! not bad for a cortina derived engine!

 

You ain't even near the marks! Try looking at small block Chevy's, or Dodge's and / or Ford V8's !

4 bangers ie, Pinto + X-flow + CHV + Zetec + Duratec, added together and you may come close!

[RWL81P]

true, wanst counting the v8s! were talking 4 pots.

[colr6]

which is easier and less expensive to install - Pinto - Zetec - GM red top

 

Which one respond best to tuning

 

Which one has the most BHP / Torque in standard set up.

 

I just replaced my Pinto with another , ok ots just over 100 bhp i would have liked a zetec but my lack of mechanical ability and know how put me off other converstions and pockets arent that deep.

Would say for ease of most things and tuning parts are widely availiable with a very good reliability factor it's got to be the pinto. With the red top your into sumps bellhousings ecu to do it right and getting a bit thin on the ground now. Not done a zetec but would appear more parts required to convert to rwd and the parts ain't cheap.

[eeb43]

Would say for ease of most things and tuning parts are widely availiable with a very good reliability factor it's got to be the pinto. With the red top your into sumps bellhousings ecu to do it right and getting a bit thin on the ground now. Not done a zetec but would appear more parts required to convert to rwd and the parts ain't cheap.

£150 for a sump pick up and rails and £250 for a type 9 box cvh starter everything else is easily made

[khanlad]

Doesnt the alt run the wrong way? Do you use original flywheel?

[eeb43]

Doesnt the alt run the wrong way? Do you use original flywheel?

depends what car its out of

[khanlad]

Is that a silver and black top difference then?