Carello vs Lucas

[Rally Pack 2000]

What would be the advantages in choosing between these two headlights? Both were used by the factory in different models. The Carello has the advantage of already having the fixing brackets built in, while the Lucas requires the metal surround rings to be able to be mounted in the buckets. The Lucas takes H4 bulbs, but what bulbs do the Carellos take? What does the rear mount and spring that hold its bulb into place look like? As far as beam quality is there really much benefit of one over the other? I would love to know more about the Carellos and if they are worth keeping. Your thoughts and information greatly appreciated.

[colr6]

Apart from the price wouldn't say there would be a great deal of difference, poss the carrello has a more definitive pattern. As for the bulb in the carrello looking at the aperture it would be the halogen equivelent of the 410 bulb as pictured.

[Rally Pack 2000]

Thanks for that Col. Any ideas how its held in place in the light itself?

[colr6]

The round clip you have slides over the centre section of bulb then twists into the two slots in headlamp. On the Lucas lights it's a hook and clip similar to these.

[Ray]

fit the lucas and sell the corellos to Colin, he has deep pockets and corellos usually fetch big money, I sold some what I considered scrap fiesta ones, that were in the boot of a car I bought, on e bay a few years ago and nearly fell thru the floor at what they made

[colr6]

4 minutes ago, Ray said:

fit the lucas and sell the corellos to Colin, he has deep pockets and corellos usually fetch big money, I sold some what I considered scrap fiesta ones, that were in the boot of a car I bought, on e bay a few years ago and nearly fell thru the floor at what they made

My pockets are only deep cos they got holes in them !?

[Ray]

1 minute ago, colr6 said:

My pockets are only deep cos they got holes in them !?

it that what they call keeping your hands to yourself in Yorkshire

[Rally Pack 2000]

14 hours ago, colr6 said:

The round clip you have slides over the centre section of bulb then twists into the two slots in headlamp. On the Lucas lights it's a hook and clip similar to these.

The Lucas ones came with this bulb retainer but it certainly wont fit the Carello lights. Im definitely missing something for them.

[colr6]

See the clip in bottom right of your second pic, does that fit in the elongated slots in the light ? If it does as I suspect that retains the bulb..

[Rally Pack 2000]

4 minutes ago, colr6 said:

See the clip in bottom right of your second pic, does that fit in the elongated slots in the light ? If it does as I suspect that retains the bulb..

Ahhh that's interesting. I just thought that was the retaining clip for the cover that blocks the hole when you buy them. It looked too small a hole for the rear bulb contacts to pass through. But not having every seen the bulb in person It may well do

[colr6]

It's hard to tell the size of the clip from the pic, but that style of clip is used on a few lights. The bulb retainer you've got for the Lucas, they sometimes come complete with sidelight bulb holder all in one. That one would require a seperate push in sidelight, later been made from plastic earlier metal cased with sprung prongs.

[Rally Pack 2000]

7 minutes ago, colr6 said:

It's hard to tell the size of the clip from the pic, but that style of clip is used on a few lights. The bulb retainer you've got for the Lucas, they sometimes come complete with sidelight bulb holder all in one. That one would require a seperate push in sidelight, later been made from plastic earlier metal cased with sprung prongs.

I will have to try get an old bulb and see if that clip is big enough. My Mk2 has separate wired bulb holder for the parkers so its just the main bulbs that I need to fit

[Rally Pack 2000]

On 28/11/2018 at 03:47, colr6 said:

Apart from the price wouldn't say there would be a great deal of difference, poss the carrello has a more definitive pattern. As for the bulb in the carrello looking at the aperture it would be the halogen equivelent of the 410 bulb as pictured.

 

I bought some Lucas bulbs for the Mk1 Square lights I had and thought I would see if its the same base fitting for the Carello lights before I went buying expensive halogens.

They fit really well in the square Lucas lights as you would expect them to but the seemed to only be a general rough fit in the Carello lights. They were tight in them but the holding clip did fit over them at least.

Lucas

Carello

So is the halogen version of the 410 called the H7? Or something else? Thanks

[colr6]

I’ve just found a listing as HB 12 halogen for the 410 fitting

[colr6]

I’ve got these for the escort, Hella H4 complete with backing and adjusters with complimentary Hella bulbs. £78 the pair

[Rally Pack 2000]

7 minutes ago, colr6 said:

I’ve got these for the escort, Hella H4 complete with backing and adjusters with complimentary Hella bulbs. £78 the pair

Never seen backing plates like that for an Escort before. They look really nice. Presumably they replace the original buckets entirely? Completely different to any light arrangement I have seen for a Mk2 Escort. The adjustment in them looks far better tan original. I am trying to get some Hella squares for my Mk1 like those that came on it originally.

[colr6]

These are for a Golf, somewhat cheaper than the carellos. They light up, flat fronted what more do you want? If anybody asks Hella is the new carello....lol well if you can have Orange is the new Black I can get away with this surely 

[Rally Pack 2000]

2 hours ago, colr6 said:

These are for a Golf, somewhat cheaper than the carellos. They light up, flat fronted what more do you want? If anybody asks Hella is the new carello....lol well if you can have Orange is the new Black I can get away with this surely 

Ahh I thought they looked too good to be for an Escort! Do you think you can modify those brackets to fit?

[RWL81P]

7 hours ago, colr6 said:

These are for a Golf, somewhat cheaper than the carellos. They light up, flat fronted what more do you want? If anybody asks Hella is the new carello....lol well if you can have Orange is the new Black I can get away with this surely 

pretty sure theyre the ones i had col. they will go in, and work!

[Rally Pack 2000]

Could the

Halogen 410 bulbs possibly be H7's?

5 hours ago, RWL81P said:

pretty sure theyre the ones i had col. they will go in, and work!

How did you get those brackets to fit?

[RWL81P]

4 hours ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

Could the

Halogen 410 bulbs possibly be H7's?

How did you get those brackets to fit?

when i used them years back, i cut the brackets off and used the chrome mounting rings that were fitted to my sealed beam units and then they fitted to the original shells.

[colr6]

H7 bulbs are single filament only not dip/m/ beam. As for fitting shouldn’t be a problem if it means drilling a hole for the enlarged adjuster should be no great shakes. You could always remove the light unit and fit into a old style Lucas bucket and adjuster ring. When I get round to it I will be trying the plastic mk2 buckets and I have the old style to try.

[Rally Pack 2000]

11 minutes ago, colr6 said:

H7 bulbs are single filament only not dip/m/ beam. As for fitting shouldn’t be a problem if it means drilling a hole for the enlarged adjuster should be no great shakes. You could always remove the light unit and fit into a old style Lucas bucket and adjuster ring. When I get round to it I will be trying the plastic mk2 buckets and I have the old style to try.

Never did like the plastic Mk2 buckets and the awkward adjuster it has. Even with brand new original rings the lights dont fit into the buckets that well and never adjust properly. Early Mk2s had a metal version 75 to 76 that are a bit better but still with poor adjustment. Thats whats in the car at the moment. If you could make that bracket work by cutting it down or whatever that would be good as it clearly has better adjustment. One of the reason why I bought the Carellos was to do away with the Lucas rings that never fit properly as the Carellos have their own arms without the need for rings. I hoping that would be a bit better in the original buckets. Just searching for bulbs for them as they aren't the usual H4s that I use.

[colr6]

6 minutes ago, Rally Pack 2000 said:

Never did like the plastic Mk2 buckets and the awkward adjuster it has. Even with brand new original rings the lights dont fit into the buckets that well and never adjust properly. Early Mk2s had a metal version 75 to 76 that are a bit better but still with poor adjustment. Thats whats in the car at the moment. If you could make that bracket work by cutting it down or whatever that would be good as it clearly has better adjustment. One of the reason why I bought the Carellos was to do away with the Lucas rings that never fit properly as the Carellos have their own arms without the need for rings. I hoping that would be a bit better in the original buckets. Just searching for bulbs for them as they aren't the usual H4s that I use.

Try eBay item 191434589033

[Rally Pack 2000]

25 minutes ago, colr6 said:

Try eBay item 191434589033

Thanks for that. I did a HB12 search and it sent me in all different directions. I just now need to be certain that the 410 fitment is correct for the Carello lights it just doesn't seem a really good fit as with the genuine Lucas lights that take that bulb.