classic stock cars

[Vista]

As OHC say's it involves cars, it involves a track and it involves winners and losers so it is definitely motorsport, albeit a fairly rudimentary form of it.

 

I do like F1 though I agree that the current lack of overtaking is frustrating. I still see it as the pinnacle of motorsport, after all the technology, speed, handling, driver skill etc etc are practically unrivalled anywhere else.

 

Oh and staying with overtaking, when was the last time anyone saw any overtaking on a rally? Don't get me wrong, I like watching the WRC too it's just that many of the people that snipe at F1 for lack of overtaking go home to watch rallying on TV. Well I've rarely seen any wheel to wheel action on a rally circuit either, and I've certainly never seen two cars slipstreaming 2 foot apart at near 200mph.

 

I think every type of motorsport has it's good and bad points.

[orionmojo]

what a waste of a 2 door mk1 'tina

[tonymk2wagon]

wow this thread really gets some blood boiling, ive made my comments and said what this sport means to me but i'd just like to let the haters understand its not just the bash and crash of banger racing, there are many formulas that are true race cars in every sence. stock cars for one. the work that goes into set up is trully a art in its self.

as for short circuit hot rods,there's nothing that will go round a 1/4 mile oval faster. . BARRING NONE! . its still old skool to the bone, no turbos, injections etc. . rwd is the best and the wheels are 13"'s. oh and in lots of cases the mighty PINTO is still king!

LOVE THE OVAL 1/4 MILE, HUG A FENCE POST

of coarse this is just imho.

[orionmojo]

it narly causes as much of a debate as "what is an osf"

 

personally i just dont get it. full stop. its way over my head why people choose to weld up and strip out cars to race them when they're worth so much money. my uncl used to grasstrack mk2's back in the early 90's when they were worth nowt and peopl used to give them to him when thy failed their mot's (he is a mechanic), THAT i can undrstand, and lts face it its grat fun ragging any motor about, but sill its just the value thing that gets me everytime. i'd give my right arm to get a mk1 2 door 'tina, and a mk1 2 door escy. thy'r waay out of my price range, yet these cars still get bangered and i cant undrstand why!!!!!!! they're my views.

[dogdish]

Being blunt!

 

I have done both and believe me it takes more skill overtaking on an oval than trundalling around some ponsy big circuit ever will.

 

Argue that one then!

 

(again THATS just my opinion)

[tonymk2wagon]

mk1 escort 2 doors and mk1 cortinas arnt getting bangered, there hot rods and stock cars. bangers last one meeting if ya lucky , stock cars and hot rods will last years. price is kind of reflective of this being real motor sport not just bangers in a field ( sorry national banger boys i know ya cars are beasts) . some hot rods will cost 30 to 40k plus a seasons touring round europe.

check out www.shortcircuitmag.com and get enlightend.

[orionmojo]

mk1 escort 2 doors and mk1 cortinas arnt getting bangered, there hot rods and stock cars. bangers last one meeting if ya lucky , stock cars and hot rods will last years. price is kind of reflective of this being real motor sport not just bangers in a field ( sorry national banger boys i know ya cars are beasts) . some hot rods will cost 30 to 40k plus a seasons touring round europe.

check out www.shortcircuitmag.com and get enlightend.

 

ok, i think i'm seeing the difference now, bangers and stock cars.

 

still dont make it right though , i'll read up that link over my sunday roast

[tonymk2wagon]

good man , if ya really interested check out the links. or search (national hot rods,brisca salloon stocks, f1 & f2 stock cars, classic hot rods, thora historic stock cars,2 litre hot rods, 1300 stock cars. . . ) hope you find it interesting

[ratman]

Being blunt!

 

I have done both and believe me it takes more skill overtaking on an oval than trundalling around some ponsy big circuit ever will.

 

Argue that one then!

 

(again THATS just my opinion)

 

3 cheers that man I have also done both and starting from the back as the supersaloon champ is fooking hard NO ONE pulls over to get of your way the only way is round the outside inches from the wall and believe you me when you hit the fence it fooking hurts

I tried circuit racing wasn’t for me + they wanted to charge us £150.00 entry fee then in1990 hate to think what it is now

On the ovals it was £7.00 at the gate and 4 races a day not have to wait all day to qualify and if you didn’t you went home no more racing and £150.00 out of pocket

Luckily we all 10 of us qualified and went home with 5 trophies and the rest in top 10 places that showed them

[GT_Jim]

if you want to do oval then thats your choice all i said was my opinion not trying to start an arguement which some people have thought i have, what i said is what i believe and if you dont like it then tough

 

and it was the fact that the corners go the same way and technically rallying isnt about overtaking thats why they go in intervals

[dogdish]

I maybe sounded a bit harsh but i'm afraid that guys like Duffy Collard and George Polley could (and did a few times) show drivers like Andy Rouse a thing or 2.Polley went classic racing with his anglebox and stopped cos it was boring.

 

Also agree that Hot Rods and Stock Cars ARE a totally different thing to Bangers.

[james p]

nice pics ratman

 

just to ad my 2 cents worth i love oval raceing its one of the big infuances that got me into osfs ,from my dad bangering mk1 grannys to a bulls out 2 litre hot rods .i see it as recycleing a car that may have spent its life rotting in a garden ,we cant restore them all .

 

Also as far as it being a waste those cars will last up and somtimes over a whole season you can build a rally car have a big off and its gone surely this is just as much a waste as the rally boys only tend to use very good shells

 

dont want to put anybodys bac up or anything ill happly sit and watch any thing with an engine in competition i just feeel that there is alot of negative views on oval racers / fans due to this wasteing good cars claim

[Retromotorsport]

the problem here is that the readers have an idea about what oval racing is ... ie "banger" ... a National A is a racecar, no doubt about it

[presleybeetrootboy]

they r brill but its a shame the cars werent rebuilt to be fast drag racers

[Wessie]

its just people shunting other people which doesnt really qualify as being proper overtaking

you ever been 3 wide round a hairpin, being about 2 inches away from the car next to you and about an inch from the inside barrier ? thatys proper racing, no 'shunting' out the way there?

IMHO oval racing IS the closest form of motorpsort aroundand im sure all the national hotrods, NASCARS, ASCAR's, Pickups etc, all they do is shunt each other out the way

[GT_Jim]

apparently not wessie because you know me so well

[Wessie]

apparently not wessie because you know me so well

when did i say that? i made an assumption that you liked watching F1 with a cup of cocoa, just like you made the assumption that all oval racers 'shunt' each other out the way whilst participating in their 'non-motorsport' event . . .

[GT_Jim]

perhaps you should have read what i said before again you have missed quite a bit out and why are you getting so personal about this?

 

apparently not wessie because you know me so well

when did i say that? i made an assumption that you liked watching F1 with a cup of cocoa, just like you made the assumption that all oval racers 'shunt' each other out the way whilst participating in their 'non-motorsport' event . . .

[Andy504]

In my opinion

 

F1 or any circuit based single seat racing

 

Best driver/car combo qualified on pole race starts driver p1sses off in distance wins race gets girl lives in tax haven drives 1k car and walks around like James bond KNOB

 

Oval racing

 

Best car/driver combo starts LAST and in some cases like 1300 stock cars has 50 cars to pass to win to fooked to get girl after 30 laps of mayhem lives in garage drives his diesel transit tow van and walks around like a dog with two cocks as

 

HE IS THE MAN

 

nuff said

 

 

Give this man a cigar, couldnt agree more, i have raced a few tinas an escorts in the past, but not ones that weren`t too far gone for the road. imho

[louie bagel]

good man , if ya really interested check out the links. or search (national hot rods,brisca salloon stocks, f1 & f2 stock cars, classic hot rods, thora historic stock cars,2 litre hot rods, 1300 stock cars. . . ) hope you find it interesting

 

gwaan the brisca F1's

[sutton4ord]

Im pretty shore i saw them 2x mk1 tinas today when i popped in somewhere.

[GAV105E]

was sat near you all weekend then mate looking at them pics!!! i was on back straight but near entrance to 3rd bend!!! good weekend wernet it!!!

[ilovegrannys]

I would love to see this. These cars are looking good. It makes a change from Sierra Stocks (still good stuff) but i think this is another example of how an OSF can be used in this day and age. The durability & use (shell & engines) of these motors as we all know is inexhaustable. Drive on! Thats what i say!!!

[dogdish]

If built well a classic stock car can last for years.They ain't in it to build 2 a year like the 2ltrs! Its a REAL hobby compared to the National Stockies.

 

As for classic hot rods.....give me one NOW!!!!!

[jamie]

I'd like to picth in here if I may...

 

Firstly, great pictures!

 

I am a big fan of oval racing and go all over the UK to watch it. I am also a fan of circuit racing and can see the appeal of both forms.

 

I didn't go to the Ipswich Spedeweekend, but have been to other meets with the classic stock cars and I must say the racing is superb. Bumper to bumper and places changing on every lap.

As for people not seeing the point, well, fair enough. Most people I have taken short circuit racing once have always enjoyed it and wanted to go again. I went to Ipswich last week for the hot rods and it was a great meeting. I then went to Eastbourne on Wednesday night for the A60 Amble (bangers) and it was a great night.

 

I follow banger racing and do not really have a problem seeing old/new cars wrecked. Banger racing (where light/heavy contact is allowed) is merely one form of stock car racing and is considerable different the racing that the classic stock cars (where cars are built for contact hence the extra ironwork) pictured at the start of this thread.

 

When it comes to banger racing, most of the cars I'm sure are bought for low amounts (if not free). Alternatively, the cars have been sitting in scrap yards (having been scrapped by owners) and would be crushed if they didn't go on the track.

 

At the end of the day it's money I think - if someone has the money to buy a car they can do what they want with it. Race it, restore it, banger it, whatever...

 

It's all opinions at the end of the day. Just think, if you didn't take that Mk2 Cortina and turn it into a stock car, and actually took it, stripped it, put a bigger non standard engine it, removed the interior, someone else would say why didn't you keep it original and what a waste it was.

 

Each to their own I guess...