Steam Injection?

[shibbynat]

I heard yesterday of somebody who fitted steam injection to an MGB.

Aparently works in a similar way ti NOS.

Combustion turns the steam in pure Hydrogen which is highly combustable resulting in mega power!! Sounds expensive to install but i assume once it's there all you need to do is fill up a water tank for the extra power.

 

Anyone heard of this?

Anyone know where i can get set up?

 

[johnny_h]

I think this system was used by Dr Emmet Brown in back to the future 3

[Haynesmanual]

I think this system was used by Dr Emmet Brown in back to the future 3

No, That was mr fusion

[Toby]

Water injection has been around for years as a way of avoiding detonation is very high compression situations (usually created with boost from a super charger or turbo).

 

I've not heard of steam injection, but it's unusual to want to heat the incomming charge!

 

Also don't see how it would differ from water injection, which as I say doesn't improve the burn - it kind of "steadies" it.

 

Tell me more.....

[Toby]

Ah - think I might have just spotted some irony!!

[Pipster007]

Ah - think I might have just spotted some irony!!

 

Thats the problem with irony.................It can be very ironic

[shibbynat]

I now know the term is HHO it can be used to improve general performance & fuel economy but have not found anything about giving a super boost.

Will keep researching!

[toad650]

The theroy behind it is that injecting water vapour makes the air denser (or however you spell it) like on a cold day. This means that in the same volume of air there's more molecules so more oxygen etc.

 

The effects of this can be seen if you drive your car in the early morning when its cold and foggy your car will be a bit more responsive and have a bit more power than on a hot summer day.

 

When F1 cars are running in really hot countries or at high altitude circuits they lose a fair amount of power.

 

This is why on Dyno's you get a humidity reading and a temp reading.

 

Although i've never heard of it as "steam injection" as steam would be hot which would counter act the use of the water.

 

Think the kits are fairly easy to get.

 

Hope this helps

 

[bortaf]

Can't beat steam injection for those razor sharp creases

[toad650]

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You can get anything on flea bay!!!

 

 

[toad650]

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Some even use alcohol too!!!!

 

What a waste!!

[shibbynat]

So do you think this would fit straight on to a 2Ltr Capri & make much difference?

[Doc]

my washing machine has steam injection

[Guest MK1gaz]

So do you think this would fit straight on to a 2Ltr Capri & make much difference?

Only if it's supercharged or turbo charged and the intercoolers missing/no good or the compression ratio is too high

[Mr Sam]

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Some even use alcohol too!!!!

 

What a waste!!

 

i know a mate that injects methanol into his derv.........dont half fly

[toad650]

So do you think this would fit straight on to a 2Ltr Capri & make much difference?

Only if it's supercharged or turbo charged and the intercoolers missing/no good or the compression ratio is too high

 

would second that, the money it'll cost youyou'd get more power spending else were.

[Toby]

The theroy behind it is that injecting water vapour makes the air denser (or however you spell it) like on a cold day. This means that in the same volume of air there's more molecules so more oxygen etc.

 

The effects of this can be seen if you drive your car in the early morning when its cold and foggy your car will be a bit more responsive and have a bit more power than on a hot summer day.

 

 

I am fairly sure the water is to stop detting, any water in the cylinder is robbing area where air could be, it is basically a great way of adding octane to your fuel there by permitting more boost to force more air in and avoiding "melt down"!

 

If you put water injection on a standard engine it will lose power.

 

The same can be said for a cold and foggy day, admittedly it will go well for being cold - but not foggy. The best performance you will get from your engine will be on a cold, high pressure, dry day, as there is no "power robbing" water vapour (fog) stealing air space.

[Toby]

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Some even use alcohol too!!!!

 

What a waste!!

 

i know a mate that injects methanol into his derv.........dont half fly

 

This should work though!! I think the alcohol breaks down and releases oxygen, should need a richer mix too I would have thought

[bigglesmk2]

I think this system was used by Dr Emmet Brown in back to the future 3

No, That was mr fusion

 

Yeah but only the car had mr fusion,the train ran on steam,think that's what they was getting at.

Of course none would work without the flux capacitor,obviously

 

[V8ian]

The Idea of using steam could possibly work, Choice of 2 ways that I can think of, the 1st could be by using superheated steam, I think the oxygen is eaiser to remove from H2O at elivated temps, but it needs to be extremely hot, and the other way could be something to do with Water Gas, Steam introduced into a Carbon rich enviroment CO2?? can be made in to a flamable gas called Water Gas, used to be used as a replacement foe acetylene if my memory is correct.

I wait for the replies

How the hell you keep the steam at high enough tems to obtain either of these reactions is beyond me,

And dont forget Steam is a clear colourless gas!!!!!!

[zetecmk2]

i think there is confusion between steam and water vapour. as v8 said, steam is not visible, if you boil water and allow the steam to escape through a small jet, as in a pressure cooker, what you see is water vapour (steam condensed back to small droplets of visible water) but look at the jet and the vapour starts to appear about 10mm or so from the hole. that 10 mm is.......steam (dont touch it, its hot)

[V8ian]

Steam, As an apprentice I worked in many Shipyards around the world, and I was allways told, if you can see "steam" there is a jet of superhot gas waiting to cut you in half from a leak, "DONT TOUCH" it cooks and cuts all at the same time

[shibbynat]

The Idea of using steam could possibly work, Choice of 2 ways that I can think of, the 1st could be by using superheated steam, I think the oxygen is eaiser to remove from H2O at elivated temps, but it needs to be extremely hot, and the other way could be something to do with Water Gas, Steam introduced into a Carbon rich enviroment CO2?? can be made in to a flamable gas called Water Gas, used to be used as a replacement foe acetylene if my memory is correct.

I wait for the replies

How the hell you keep the steam at high enough tems to obtain either of these reactions is beyond me,

And dont forget Steam is a clear colourless gas!!!!!!

 

Option 1 is i think what the guy was talking about. The steam is fired into the cylinder. When the fuel ignites it then heats the steam even more seperating the hydrogen which then also ignites. I belive the hdrogen is 5 times more combustable than petrol thus giving the super boost.

I THINK!!!!

[zetecmk2]

thatll be bent rods then!!

[bortaf]

Lpg injection in a diesel works wonders, it's like nitros