azz-bo Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 Just wanted to know your opinions on this bullshite some of our troops had to go through on their welcome home parade. Personally I'm a massive supporter of our troops, even though its not really our war I'll still support em. They go and risk life and limb for queen and country, return home only to have their welcome home parade piddled on by a small bunch of muslim protesters. If the protesters beliefs are this strong wtf are they doing here (shouldn't they be fighting on the other side?). And why wasn't they arrested or moved on immediately? What do y'all think?
Admin Vista Posted March 11, 2009 Admin Report Posted March 11, 2009 Several of them were arrested and also worthy of note is that some of the locals started their own counter demonstration against these people and in favour of the soldiers. They won't be arrested for protesting peacefully however as we live in a democratic country that allows freedom of speech however misguided their views. I don't like what they have to say but I'm glad they have the right to say it without persecution. If they lose their right to freedom of speech then the rights of the rest of us won't be far behind and our country would be as bad as the ones they came here to escape from. Also worth remembering is that these extremist views are only held by a small minority of muslims in this country.
mk1super Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 I should think the lads were happy it was only banners waved at em an not Ak's
stevepeanut Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 Its a tricky one this, for me, if you join the army, you go where they tell you and fight who they tell you to. So its not the soldiers fault if they are in a war that some people dont agree with. Its not nice for them to come home and find people protesting. But as vista says its good to have freedom of speech, if they did that in some muslim countrys they'd be locked up for a long time.
azz-bo Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Posted March 11, 2009 I'm all for freedom of speech but does it really exist to everybody? Lets switch the roles, If it was locals protesting against muslims for the price of tinned products (only thing I could think of). I think more action would have been done against them. It must be hard for police to act on these situations as they dont want to be branded as a racist but it shouldnt stop them from doing what they would do to a "non-minority group" Being such a sensitive subject I'm struggling to find the right terms to air views. Sorry if it comes out wrong
azz-bo Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Posted March 11, 2009 Its a tricky one this, for me, if you join the army, you go where they tell you and fight who they tell you to. So its not the soldiers fault if they are in a war that some people dont agree with. Its not nice for them to come home and find people protesting. But as vista says its good to have freedom of speech, if they did that in some muslim countrys they'd be locked up for a long time. Exactly! They should protest outside Brown's front door not give the troops grief for doing there job.
Trevmk3 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 Several of them were arrested and also worthy of note is that some of the locals started their own counter demonstration against these people and in favour of the soldiers. it was the people who wanted the muslims to move on that got arrested not these idiots with the banners calling the British troops all sorts of stuff.
Lardy Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 I tell you what it was lucky I was not there things like that make me soooo mad i would like them to try that back home seeing as they seem to love it so much somehow i dont think it would happen but they abuse this countries freedom I would have been arrested put it that way ,how must the parents of the dead soldiers feel .The fact that in decades to come these muslims aunties cousins uncles lives will hopefully be one million times better due to these brave blokes and birds who fight and risk their lives for this ungrateful bunch of slack jawed prats .......and breath!and relax.....ah prozac
pauln Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 Got to say i'm not happy about our troops being wasted in other peoples wars . BUT they are just doing a job and when they get home they should be left alone. If you want to protest you should not be allowed to have a go at our forces you find another way.
Admin Vista Posted March 11, 2009 Admin Report Posted March 11, 2009 Got to say i'm not happy about our troops being wasted in other peoples wars . BUT they are just doing a job and when they get home they should be left alone. If you want to protest you should not be allowed to have a go at our forces you find another way. It's not really anyone elses war though is it? We weren't invited when we went into Afghanistan in 2001 so I guess it's therefore our war, or Tony Blairs war at least.
pauln Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 Got to say i'm not happy about our troops being wasted in other peoples wars . BUT they are just doing a job and when they get home they should be left alone. If you want to protest you should not be allowed to have a go at our forces you find another way. It's not really anyone elses war though is it? We weren't invited when we went into Afghanistan in 2001 so I guess it's therefore our war, or Tony Blairs war at least. Think I would just be happier if the role of our forces was to protect the UK from direct attack as opposed to so called peacekeeping roles. I know you might say taking the fight direct to the threat is the only way but at the end of the day we won't get thanked for it (personally i blame the bastards who started the crusades).
MK2Ed Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 (personally i blame the bastards who started the crusades). The reason the Crusades started was because the rulers in Jerusalem at the time started preventing Pilgrimages to the Holy Land by Christians...
jimbo Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 The protesters were protesting about British presence in Iraq (not Afghanistan and I don't know where the idea of Gaza has came from.) Unlike Afghanistan (which really was about destroying a hot bed of Islamic fundamentalist terorism, that was undoubtedly having an effect on the west) it has to be understood that the invasion of Iraq was simply about oil. If you also understand that Islam is a religion that isn't defined by geographical or political borders, then you can understand why Muslims are pissed about the actions of the US and the UK. However, they are misguided if they think that protesting at soldiers makes a difference. Like a lot of you have righly pointed out, those brave men and women are only deployed to perform the duties asked of them by their country. The protestors actions would be better served aimed at those who make the decisions. All their action has served to do is fuel biggoted islamophobes, and make their cause of stirring up hatred easier. Two friends of mine are muslims who live in Luton. We talked about this today at lunch. Whilst, like me, they've never been particularly overwhelmed by the UK's presence in Iraq (and, like me, think Saddam could have been brought down without the subsequent losing of the peace), they are in no doubt about the freedoms they enjoy as Britons and are absolutely livid that a "small bunch of misguided racist morons have essentially made their lives, and those of almost every other decent muslm, harder by resulting in them facing more abuse from racist misguided morons, as they go about their business" (their exact words). And so the cycle will continue, unless we all learn to rise above it. Ultimately, what I'm saying here is don't let the actions of a handful of muslims cloud your judgement of all muslims. In my experience, it doesn't matter what your race, creed or colour, we're all just people trying to get by and do the best to live our lives.....
over_head_cam Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 I find it ironic that those muppets who complain about our boys being in their (original?) country wouldn't have the freedom to air their views if it wasn't for our boys and our country. Let's see how they would get on shouting at soldiers from a middle eastern country. Rat-a-tat-tat, I'd guess
Superblue76 Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 it is a very difficult and sensitive subject that is very hard to analyse without sounding racist. The soldiers are doing a job and shouldnt be abused like that, if the protestors feel that strongly about 'their' country why are they here. My wife is a criminal barrister and spends her days defending foreigners ( mainly polish, turkish and portuguese to be fair ) who all come to england as it is an 'easy touch' (their words not mine) It seems that immigrants like the freedom and benefits they get from this country but you still get those that would quite happily see London etc destroyed whilst we pay for them to do it. I am an absolute atheist and firmly believe religion to be the root of all evil and the cause of most wars.
Messenjah Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 war over religion is just fighting about who has the best imaginary friend
johnny_h Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Damn I thought this was going to be about trying to get MK1Gaz back on the site.
jimbo Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 war over religion is just fighting about who has the best imaginary friend Amen to that!!
jimbo Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Damn I thought this was going to be about trying to get MK1Gaz back on the site. Steady on mate......I'm not sure we can have inflamatory remarks like that posted on here
richie_stix Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 The protesters were protesting about British presence in Iraq (not Afghanistan and I don't know where the idea of Gaza has came from.) Unlike Afghanistan (which really was about destroying a hot bed of Islamic fundamentalist terorism, that was undoubtedly having an effect on the west) it has to be understood that the invasion of Iraq was simply about oil. If you also understand that Islam is a religion that isn't defined by geographical or political borders, then you can understand why Muslims are pissed about the actions of the US and the UK. However, they are misguided if they think that protesting at soldiers makes a difference. Like a lot of you have righly pointed out, those brave men and women are only deployed to perform the duties asked of them by their country. The protestors actions would be better served aimed at those who make the decisions. All their action has served to do is fuel biggoted islamophobes, and make their cause of stirring up hatred easier. Two friends of mine are muslims who live in Luton. We talked about this today at lunch. Whilst, like me, they've never been particularly overwhelmed by the UK's presence in Iraq (and, like me, think Saddam could have been brought down without the subsequent losing of the peace), they are in no doubt about the freedoms they enjoy as Britons and are absolutely livid that a "small bunch of misguided racist morons have essentially made their lives, and those of almost every other decent muslm, harder by resulting in them facing more abuse from racist misguided morons, as they go about their business" (their exact words). And so the cycle will continue, unless we all learn to rise above it. Ultimately, what I'm saying here is don't let the actions of a handful of muslims cloud your judgement of all muslims. In my experience, it doesn't matter what your race, creed or colour, we're all just people trying to get by and do the best to live our lives..... best answer yet... closely follwed by vista's initial post!
FredTransit Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 WTF has the opinions of a bunch of misguided extremists got to do with the soldiers returning form fighting? They should not be allowed to inflict their opinions in this way, but I suppose that's the price of free speech. I don't support the war, don't think it's our fight despite Tony Blair dragging us into it, but the armed forces have a job to do, they don't get a choice.
richie_stix Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 by the way... i thought the topic was going to be about people protesting 'Gaza'... the old footie player! he's a fan of classic fords too you kn ow
shakey n his fezz Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 with these irriots protesting what do you think should have happend to those people that protested i think the should be hung drawn and quaterd as i feel quite strongly about this as a large part of my family are in the forces and i have just applied to go in to day and they are also in out country and should deserve a hell of a lot more respect
jimbo Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 i think the should be hung drawn and quaterd What?!?! Isn't that kind of oppression just what we're "supposed" to be fighting against. Kinda defeats the point if we go down that route i have just applied to go in to day
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