section 59

[mexicotype49]

Driving through northampton  in traffic trying to get on the M1  following  a lorry  I booted my mex  not realising that mr policeman was behind  doh !!

He flashed his blue light  and I pulled over,  he said thats a very nice car  why did you spin the rear wheels ... my answer was it was a little groggy  and just clearing it out  

he asked me if I knew what a section 59 was  I  said no, never heard of it !!.. he  warned me  and said next time  I am stopped the car would be crushed  ..

He never took my details ie : name address & dob   now having read in to this  law the  driver  and the car  are marked on a database ..  Its put the wind up me!! 

what do you guys think   am I screwed .!!!..all my previous encounters with police  have been great they once towed me to a layby  in a squad car  when the coil cooked its self  .Hell I even let  bobby

drive it round a field after a car show  They have always been nice and interested  in it   ..

ps:I must not drive  like a knob ...Oh and quaife atbs are the muts nuts  so much fun ..

been married to my car for 29 yrs and the wife 15

[Mrs O/H/C]

If no details were taken then he was purely warning you that you could be issued with a section 59.

Section 59 is used widely amongst the boy racers and the whole point is to deter from street racing etc.

[irishtorag]

think its a load of the round ones

what happened to a slap on wrist and mayb 20 pound fine

they label everyone as boy racers now even though some of the squad have classics and have been known to drive on slippy tar them selves

[mk2 mike]

Take it from me. If he never took your details you're in the clear. Probably just his way of giving you an (Unofficial) warning. For a s59 warning details have to be taken and entered on the computer so other officers are aware a warning has already been issued. Also you need to be given a piece of paper at the time explaining the details of the s59 warning and the consequences of getting caught again.

 

As said the reason for the 59 is to stop anti social behaviour of chavs in saxos in sainsburys car park at 1am.

 

You're safe mate. (Next time just say your foot slipped off the clutch). ;0)

[seaneylad]

Yeah as above you need to have a written ticket normally etc

ive had a warning like you before ..

 

some people like the sec 59, as they can do drifting & muckign about and then just pay to get their car out when it taken away

[antz]

I got a section 59 for hanging the arse end out of a T junction about 2 years ago. He pulled me over and in the same manner as you got "have you heard of a section 59" and I said no so he said "well you obviously dont"....duh....

 

Basically I got a letter saying that I had been pulled over and given a section 59 for driving without due care and attention, dangerous driving and not being in full control of the vehicle. It lasts a year on you and the car. If you get another in a year, they take whatever car you are driving off you, if someone else gets one in the car you got one in, they take it off you.

 

From what I gather they just impound it and charge you to get it back. Not sure about crushing it.

 

It only lasts a year though and youre in the clear. Mines expired now so Im good to go.

[robo0121]

To me its just another way of showing what utter pricks they have become.picking on the motorist again because we are an easy target

and because we re readily available...while theres rapists.murderers .paedos etc just walking around looking for their next victim/

makes my blood boil and sick to my stomach.....tossers

[Vista]

To me its just another way of showing what utter pricks they have become.picking on the motorist again because we are an easy target

and because we re readily available...while theres rapists.murderers .paedos etc just walking around looking for their next victim/

makes my blood boil and sick to my stomach.....tossers

 

That's a bit harsh isn't it? A traffic officer's, or any officer's, job is to enforce traffic law or any other law that he/she witnesses being broken. If you get caught doing burn outs etc on the public road, it's hardly fair to criticise the man who caught you for doing his job just because you're pissed at being caught is it? I've had a few tickets in my time and whilst I was annoyed at being caught, I don't really blame the one who caught me.

[macford]

Well why don't they give fines out to cyclists then,,,

Go through red lights

Go on pavements when it suits them

Drive at night with no lights

Cycle two abreast

,,,,it's cause they don't have a registration number,can't trace them,they don't carry I'd

"......to much hassle

And they're breaking the law,but as said to much hassle,,

Ps my brothers one(not a cyclist )

[robo0121]

A bit harsh.dont make me laugh.it was nt all that long ago that a member of our armed forces.on the M54 on his way to an unexploded bomb.was caught speeding and prosecutef for it.even though he was on an emergency.it was nt that long ago that an ambulance driver was prosecuted for speeding whilst his blue lights were flashing on his way to an emergency.and it was nt that long ago that a police car on an emergency broadsided an innoccent motorist and wiped him out and walked away not even prosecuted.you get what im saying now...the police are a neccersay evil.respect has to be earnt..dont just come with the uniform......

[macford]

Only saying STOP picking on easy targets,,cyclists break more laws and get away with it,

As they don't have a reg plate to trace them

Last week saw a female cycle through a red light ,no lights on the bike , nearly got high by a car

Police van pulled her up told her to be more carefull ,then told hefty to watch herself and carry on ?

I'm sure they will do the same for me in a car,red lights and no lights on and a near miss????

Treat all road users the same.

[Vista]

Well why don't they give fines out to cyclists then,,,

Go through red lights

Go on pavements when it suits them

Drive at night with no lights

Cycle two abreast

,,,,it's cause they don't have a registration number,can't trace them,they don't carry I'd

"......to much hassle

And they're breaking the law,but as said to much hassle,,

Ps my brothers one(not a cyclist )

 

They do if they catch them, the problem is that cyclists are harder to track down due to the lack of a traceable mark. It's not the police's fault a cyclist doesn't need a number plate. You also need to consider that a car running a red light may kill someone, a cyclist running a red light however is more likely to kill himself.

 

A bit harsh.dont make me laugh.it was nt all that long ago that a member of our armed forces.on the M54 on his way to an unexploded bomb.was caught speeding and prosecutef for it.even though he was on an emergency.it was nt that long ago that an ambulance driver was prosecuted for speeding whilst his blue lights were flashing on his way to an emergency.and it was nt that long ago that a police car on an emergency broadsided an innoccent motorist and wiped him out and walked away not even prosecuted.you get what im saying now...the police are a neccersay evil.respect has to be earnt..dont just come with the uniform......

 

Police are necessary, full stop. Trust me, you do not want to meet police that are genuinely evil. Plenty of 3rd world countries suffer police forces like that. We, fortunately, do not.

 

Only saying STOP picking on easy targets,,cyclists break more laws and get away with it,

As they don't have a reg plate to trace them

Last week saw a female cycle through a red light ,no lights on the bike , nearly got high by a car

Police van pulled her up told her to be more carefull ,then told hefty to watch herself and carry on ?

I'm sure they will do the same for me in a car,red lights and no lights on and a near miss????

Treat all road users the same.

 

Agreed. But on the other hand don't break the law, especially in a built up area with traffic cams etc around, and you won't be an easy target will you?

[youngpecker]

lofl....this was explained to me as a motoring asbo!.My situation was I was following an old gent in a micra doing approx 20 mph in a built up area with his right indicator on.Feeling sure that if I passed the old gent he would probably make the turn right!.after around 100-150 yards he suddenly indicated left and stopped in the road pointing into the shopping square car park.with no reason to stop at all!!.Icould understand it if there were pedestrians crossing but no...I gave a short pip of the horn and put my 407 diesel into first and went around the old git with the slightest spin of the wheels.Bearing in mind I had my two boys in the car (8 and 10 year old)it would have been a little more than that if they were not.I recall seeing a police car in the said carpark unattended!

 

Anyway about an hour later approx fifteen miles away at home my son said there was a policeman coming up the drive and I just laughed thinking he was joking.No it was plod!.on answering the door plod asked me if I knew why he was there! I asked him to enlighten me! He informed me it was about my aggressive driving! he informed me that the old gent (82 year old) was a little bewildered and said he didn't even realise I was behind him.(unaware of his surroundings)and that members of the public had said I was out of order.I explained what had happened but he was not interested in the slightest and on asking where he was when incident occurred he informed me he was in the carpark and witnessed the event! he was probably in the shops getting his bait as there was no hi viz in carpark which he denied ! I also stated frustration was more likely a reason than aggression and asked if he had ticked off the old git for been unaware of other road users!!!His reaction was to promptly issue me with the ticket (already wrote out) and informed me car would be confiscated if I OFFENDED again within twelve months.There is some good uns but the majority of em are bell ends!Anyway the years gone now I can drive like a apple pie again now...

[macford]

I agree we need police ,and they do a good job

Just treat as all the same,,cycles should be confescated

Poundland sell cycle lights and batteries,but no they go around with nothing

A cyclist going through a red light can be hit by a car,cause a car to swerve and kill someone

And the cyclist can just keep cycling,

As said treat us the same,all road users,

Not allowed to do it on a moped so why a cycle,,,clamp down

and they will get lights and take more care

[Herr Doktor]

Not wanting to piss on anyone's chips but cyclists ARE legally allowed to cycle 2 abreast

http://ukcyclelaws.blogspot.co.uk/p/the-laws-according-to-highway-code.html

[mk2 mike]

Yep they are.

[Vista]

Yep they are.

 

 

Am I legally allowed to wash my headlights and windscreen as I overtake them having been stuck behind them at 20mph for 2 miles? 

[john_3.0s]

one way to find out for sure, drop and enquiry into your local constabulary as under the data protection act I'm pretty sure they have to tell you. Have a look on your areas police web site there should be a form, but make sure its the DPA you submit not an FOIA enquiry as it wont cover it.

[LUKE261]

I had a section 59 and i got a letter, so if no details and if u havent got it in writing your ok but im going back 10 years when i had mine in my boy racer days

[Escort Mk1 4 Door]

load of shit they crush your car mate i got one for admitadly pealing up about 50 foot in the wet with a fooked gear box but never got a letter so nothing they can do

[mk2 mike]

Oh I can promise your car can get crushed. Probably seen about 30 odd go to the scrappers since the legislation came in.

[Daddio]

To be fair I can see all sides of this debate but the situations can be very different and FAIRNESS has to be the key. What they should concentrate on are dangerous situations and the berks who drive badly all the time (whoever they are). Most of us can probably drive better in a full-on arse-out than the muppets that complain. A one-off indiscretion should NOT attract anything like an S59, that is simply a draconian knee-jerk reaction. A verbal warning would be fair. How come you can be FINED for driving on the phone (several times) but your car can be crushed for CONCENTRATING while warming up your tyres??

 

You need to realise that SOME cops are like the old fuddy-duddies who get stroppy when you "dare" to do overtake (or similar) and with those ones you can't win, like a holywood film when everybody's crooked except the hero.

 

We put a lot of time and money into our cars and many of us own them for years and years, we are not likely to risk major dmage unlike the old fools who don't know what's going on around them or the young fools who are to busy trying to look hard to see problems looming. Plus many of the muppets in the Saxo's get away with no insurance, no mot, driving spliffed out etc.

 

And if you have diplomatic plates you can drive around Harrods like a tw4t all day long and nothing can be done about it - go see for yourself if you like watching Arabs trying to drive nice cars.

 

But hey-ho, I always was a grumpy sod!

[Mk2Jo]

I would take Mk2 mike's advice as he is our resident boy in blue and is best qualified to give an accurate answer. Regardless of what we think about the law, it IS the law, period!

[Daddio]

i didn't say the law was wrong, just that it should be seen to be fair.