Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted October 8, 2016 Moderator Report Posted October 8, 2016 As the topic suggests I was just wondering of there is any real world advantage to alloy differential housings for an English axle? I see Burtons sell them. Alloy Bell housings are known to reduce noise and vibrations so just wondered the advantages that can be found in the axle? They say they are 5kgs lighter. Is it more an unsprung weight thing? Have a new ATB and Crownwheel and pinion so its a case of just getting a left over iron one even it has blown or a new alloy one if there is any advantage to spending the extra money?
colr6 Posted October 8, 2016 Report Posted October 8, 2016 Weight and heat dissipation, totally unecessary on a road car. Put the cash saving towards a good barbie ! ....LOL
Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted January 31, 2019 Author Moderator Report Posted January 31, 2019 Still entertaining this idea. I much rather keep the one in the car as a backup rather than putting all new bits onto it but basically all I need is a housing. If I have a new ATB centre and Crownwheel and pinion and bearings is there anything else I am missing other than the casing that I haven't considered? As Col says the weight saving is good, the alloy ones save 5kgs so that also has to be good for unsprung weight. Bit is that good to offer any real world benefit? Is there any vibration advantages using alloy like they say with Bell housings? These housings are terribly expensive though so it has to justify itself.
colr6 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Posted January 31, 2019 It’s rather a lot of cash to splash out on something that I don’t think you would notice one single benefit from purchasing. Certainly not on the application your putting it to, normal road use. Don’t forget you’d need a pinion seal, Nut, crush washer and a prop flange. oh yes and someone who knows how to build and set up diffs properly!
Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted January 31, 2019 Author Moderator Report Posted January 31, 2019 27 minutes ago, colr6 said: It’s rather a lot of cash to splash out on something that I don’t think you would notice one single benefit from purchasing. Certainly not on the application your putting it to, normal road use. Don’t forget you’d need a pinion seal, Nut, crush washer and a prop flange. oh yes and someone who knows how to build and set up diffs properly! Your probably right. I haven't been able to find a good casing locally and it not something you can post. The ones I have seen were either stored in a stagnate ponds or driven on a car with no tyres over rough terrain. The irony is how many were thrown away because the internals were damaged and now all I was is the casing. I think I have the crush washer, is that a metal tube with a bulge in the middle?
colr6 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Posted January 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, Rally Pack 2000 said: I think I have the crush washer, is that a metal tube with a bulge in the middle? That’s the one ?
Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted January 31, 2019 Author Moderator Report Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, colr6 said: That’s the one ? Oh thats ok then. It was in the packet with the bearing. A mouse has eaten a hole in it though. There is a place there i the UK that has a new original English housing but its just as expensive as the alloy ones but at least it has the originality factor. Postage would be a killer though, it would weigh alot wouldn't it?
colr6 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Posted January 31, 2019 From memory a full diff comes in at about 17kg would estimate a case to come in at 7kg
Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted January 31, 2019 Author Moderator Report Posted January 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, colr6 said: From memory a full diff comes in at about 17kg would estimate a case to come in at 7kg Thats a fair bit. I can only ask and see how much it would cost to ship, maybe even save on VAT since im not in the UK. That may help cover the cost of the postage
meXEco Posted January 31, 2019 Report Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Rally Pack 2000 said: it would weigh alot wouldn't it? Almost 5kg more than an alloy one-cant see an alloy one weighing 2kg tho?
zondas Posted February 5, 2019 Report Posted February 5, 2019 Just replied to your asking me about the rear axle on another thread not to be cheeky to anyone on here but 5kg saving i bet most of our cars have double or more that weight in filler and replacement metal i know mine probably has, I would do as someone suggested keep your hard earned cash if its a road car it won't make a blind bit of difference 1
Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Moderator Report Posted February 5, 2019 Ok that idea is officially dead! The ironic part is that all the cast casings have been thrown away because the centres have blown so cant seem to find one within pick up distance as its not something anyone likes to post.
Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Moderator Report Posted February 5, 2019 There is a complete working 3.54 about to sell on Ebay for five dollars in country NSW but only if you pick it up LOL
Cuili1 Posted February 5, 2019 Report Posted February 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rally Pack 2000 said: There is a complete working 3.54 about to sell on Ebay for five dollars in country NSW but only if you pick it up LOL That's a nice wee drive for you. ? I've done it while backpacking OZ 20 years ago 1
Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Moderator Report Posted February 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, Cuili1 said: That's a nice wee drive for you. ? I've done it while backpacking OZ 20 years ago With the Escort overheating at the moment in these 45 degree Celsius days I couldn't get it out of Sydney let alone a long country drive. Actually I read the postcode wrong its in Queensland! No hope! Glad you made it home safe, it was dangerous times backpacking 20 years ago LOL
Cuili1 Posted February 5, 2019 Report Posted February 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, Rally Pack 2000 said: With the Escort overheating at the moment in these 45 degree Celsius days I couldn't get it out of Sydney let alone a long country drive. Actually I read the postcode wrong its in Queensland! No hope! Glad you made it home safe, it was dangerous times backpacking 20 years ago LOL Oh, even better drive up the way! haha. Yes I've a few friends in OZ and they're happy to keep me up to date with how hot it is. lol Have you tried running the car without the thermostat? That's what I'd try in the heat you getting! We usually ran the rally cars without in the summer, back in the day. It was the year of my life, loved it and never seen or had a bit of bother.
Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Moderator Report Posted February 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cuili1 said: Oh, even better drive up the way! haha. Yes I've a few friends in OZ and they're happy to keep me up to date with how hot it is. lol Have you tried running the car without the thermostat? That's what I'd try in the heat you getting! We usually ran the rally cars without in the summer, back in the day. It was the year of my life, loved it and never seen or had a bit of bother. No I haven't done that although it may be an interim solution but it should never need to do that even on the hottest of days. I have driven the car to Queensland and Victoria many times even across the desert with only a tiny bit of overheating after I drove through a swarm of locusts but fine again when I stopped an plucked all their bodies out of the radiator. This time its different in that its something I have replaced that is faulty so its a shame having to replace everything again in less than a year just to find out what.
Cuili1 Posted February 5, 2019 Report Posted February 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rally Pack 2000 said: No I haven't done that although it may be an interim solution but it should never need to do that even on the hottest of days. I have driven the car to Queensland and Victoria many times even across the desert with only a tiny bit of overheating after I drove through a swarm of locusts but fine again when I stopped an plucked all their bodies out of the radiator. This time its different in that its something I have replaced that is faulty so its a shame having to replace everything again in less than a year just to find out what. Yes I agree, you should't need to. But often when you need to replace parts of the cooling system, you dislodge bits of crap, and they keep finding their way back to the thermostat. So a few trips out without the Stat, a flush, a run, and then new fluid, new Stat. You'll soon know, if it runs good without the Stat, then it's just crap jamming it! 1
Admin Vista Posted February 5, 2019 Admin Report Posted February 5, 2019 Also agree with what others have said RE the alloy casing not being worth the money for road use. Re the one in Queensland, would they package and let you arrange your own courier to collect?
Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Moderator Report Posted February 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Vista said: Also agree with what others have said RE the alloy casing not being worth the money for road use. Re the one in Queensland, would they package and let you arrange your own courier to collect? No its strictly pick up only. Its sold by now. Im having chronic computer crashes at the moment so I think this laptop is on its last legs. If I vanish for a few days that is why.
zondas Posted February 5, 2019 Report Posted February 5, 2019 There you go use the money not buying the alloy casing and get a nice new laptop
Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted February 6, 2019 Author Moderator Report Posted February 6, 2019 10 hours ago, zondas said: There you go use the money not buying the alloy casing and get a nice new laptop $1300 Dollars today. No car parts this month
zondas Posted February 6, 2019 Report Posted February 6, 2019 Plenty car parts next month though with no viewing problems.
colr6 Posted February 6, 2019 Report Posted February 6, 2019 25 minutes ago, Rally Pack 2000 said: $1300 Dollars today. No car parts this month Your making think about changing my phone system, it’s suffering being slow and has interference. Having difficulty ordering parts lately
Moderator Rally Pack 2000 Posted February 6, 2019 Author Moderator Report Posted February 6, 2019 Thats exactly how I feel after visiting the Computer store. I wasn't expecting it would cost so much but it was all I could get with an older operating system on it. I hate Windows 10 spyware. What really cuts is the new one has less capacity and less ports than the old one which Im still chatting to you on right now. You can still surf the net with it but try getting all my old files off it before it dies the thing just seizes It doesn't have my life left. Its really quite stressful when you think you going t loose a whole hap of stuff. Your supposed to be thrilled when making a new purchase by I just feel totally shafted from the whole business actually. The guy laughed at me when I told him that computers should last as long as cars, and he said they do about 5 years and I said no try 30 plus thankyou very much.
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