Paul brex Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/644455/vehicles-of-historical-interest-substantial-change-guidance.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul brex Posted September 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 There is a lot of discussions on other forums....let's have your say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris standage Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Its a difficult one to be honest, there is so many different rules and regulations about what is classed as a VHI, my escort has a 1600 xflow instead of its original 1300 crossflow, still an original engine though, brakes are m16 calipers, although new remanufactured parts, still ford fitments, my suspension ok is GAZ gha so thats not original, wheels are rs 4 spokes, not original to the car but original ford wheels. Im a mechanic by trade and to me my car is still an original mk1 escort, but to others its not. As for original body shells and all that crap, with the exception to some, how many people out there have got an unwelded original car with period panels, to me the panels being produced now are the same if somewhat better than ford produced back in the 70s. So many ins and outs of this. Ill be interested to see what other people say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 I believe and would argue with any officaldom minion that the wording says 'orignal' as DESIGNED. No one could expect a car to still be running around on its original tyres / brake pads / shocks etc after 40 years. Changing Ford struts for Bilsteins for example is like for like swop so acceptable IMO whereas going 4 link rear, losing the leaf springs and using coil overs wouldn't be ..... even though, arguably, its a better set up. The bit that's gonna screw most people is the 15% power increase so 1600 from 1300 will probably catch you - how they know is yet to be determined - just have to get creative on dyno's I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris standage Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 The thing is there is no where that states that you have to get it checked out, it only suggests you get the opinion of a mechanic if your not sure, exactly as you say, how they know is yet to be determined, as i said i am a mechanic and i rightfully feel that my car is ok, other mechanics may think differently, this is gonna be a tricky thing for some owners and as you say it might catch a few people out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris standage Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just gonna add in the bit about road tax too as it says at the bottom of the article, mine has been claiming the free road tax for a couple of years now so its classed by the tax system as a classic vehicle already, so make of that what you will, its taxed as a classic so its mot is a classic to me, lots of loop holes and get out clauses trying to catch people out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colr6 Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 I had this discussion with the MOT tester I use over altered or modified parts. He said that if one of his young testers did say my Tina, he wouldn't know what was originally fitted to it!! ie, rack and pinion, atlas axle, coil overs modified bulkhead and so on. He would be a good candidate to take a car for clarifation. What more could you want, a qualified mechanic and a MOT tester toboot ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colr6 Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just to add, you didn't think the government would give anything away for long did you. They problably relised just how much they would lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris standage Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 It will certainly be interesting when it comes into force, i can see a few people going out and getting pulled by the police for no MOT, "But officer its a classic car it doesnt need an MOT anymore" Ill take mine into work once ive got it fixed up, should be fun when i work in the police workshops haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul brex Posted September 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 It's ok for you people....I've just whacked my bulkhead out to put an eight banger in!! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accord83 Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Paul brex said: It's ok for you people....I've just whacked my bulkhead out to put an eight banger in!! ? On any other type of forum that could get you arrested 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrytom161 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 It is still going to be on the keeper of the vehicles head so to speak to take responsibility for the road worthiness of that vehicle on the road otherwise you could be up for a £2,500 fine and 3 points on your licence if it's not . I will carry on and have mine tested as I would rather have a second opinion as to whether it's got a potential problem or not that I could have missed . As regards to modified or not it's going to be a long argument on that one !!!! ...... as it's been mentioned before , I personally think if a car has been changed away from standard using the same manufacturers parts but from different modelled cars for that car when it was manufactured it should have a different vehicle road worthiness test and taxation class. When you are modding a car with parts from Different manufacturers as well , surely this then becomes a kit car which in turn should have a non historic vehicle taxation class and mot test . If you have a vehicle on a V5c denoted as a 41year old MK1 escort or whatever with a Vauxhall / rover or whatever non standard engine etc in it and its declared as road Tax exempt surely this is fraud ? As it's not as manufactured ? , I am only highlighting a point , I suppose this is just one of the loopholes and who knows what the Dvla or Vosa will come up with to clarify all these issues ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeb43 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 has the monocoque been altered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul brex Posted September 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 My biggest issue is you could have a rover v8 mk1 escort built and declared pre 88 which is mot and tax exempt and a fresh build of identical nature built recently which needs biva, mot and tax! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenbex522 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 I think many of us will be ok, but as said will have to carry on getting an MoT in the normal way. Those who have completely altered their suspension set ups, again as mentioned leaf to 4/5link, and altered the front to tension struts or wishbone and bulkhead mods will without doubt get caught up in the IVA/BIVA scenario. I seem to recall one of the various classic motoring groups got clarification on the tunnel mods some years back. Cutting a new lever hole was acceptable, but a new tunnel or cutting large holes/altering the shape wasn't as I recall. Think it might have been the defunct ACE group. The 8 points definitions really does, need the wording altered/clarified to avoid any doubts misinterpretations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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