Ray Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 flea bay would loose to much dosh to police it what can dvla seriously do other than contact an over worked police force probably find that until its actually sold, no crime has taken place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xp197777 Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 It sounds like a very big problem that will take a lot of soughting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 must be the time of year the main offenders seem to be companies that should know better, beginning to think the laws been relaxed https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escort-MK1-1300GT-Panel-V5-Plates-Special-Campaign-Colour/122914314918?epid=2220648056&hash=item1c9e439aa6:g:gJwAAOSwjytaW9Ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vista Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Ray said: must be the time of year the main offenders seem to be companies that should know better, beginning to think the laws been relaxed https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escort-MK1-1300GT-Panel-V5-Plates-Special-Campaign-Colour/122914314918?epid=2220648056&hash=item1c9e439aa6:g:gJwAAOSwjytaW9Ld You should be able to report that one and have it removed on the grounds that he's saying he won't accept PayPal. Just a temporary measure mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 12/01/2018 at 20:58, katana said: Not trying to start an argument but you are building a new vehicle with a new chassis so unless it is built from Brand New traceable parts in which case it deserves a 17 / 18 plate then it gets a Q plate - why do you think you deserve an age related plate when guts are apparently being denied the re-issue of a V5 for a vehicle they've owned for a number of years - just because they've moved address? The rules have been around for a good 10+ years in regard kit cars - you use the chassis or keep it so the DVLA can witness its a one for one swop out! - Yes its a shitty stick rule but there it is. This is a different issue - we just want to retain what was given to the cars at their birth! Not strictly true there is the age related registration option given to a kit car or other vehicle that is made from most of the drivetrain of the donor vehicle this was the registration given to me by DVLA after SVA/IVA test so I have a registration on my Lotus 7 replicar from the year of my donor vehicle. at IVA application stage you prove what bits have been taken from the donor and get points for different bits, suspension, steering, engine, gearbox, if can abstain enough points you can claim an age related registration. For a new registration you finished kit car must be made of all new parts however 1 major item may be reconditioned. I have another much older kit car that has a Q plate, a bitsa based on Escort parts a small advantage of a Q plate is very lenient emissions requirements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colr6 Posted January 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 36 minutes ago, Vista said: You should be able to report that one and have it removed on the grounds that he's saying he won't accept PayPal. Just a temporary measure mind. In there list of prohibited items after sorting through all the irrelevant crap, the advert could be reported as they are enticing people to break the law using the paperwork to register a vehicle. The way round it is to advertise as memorabilia and sell as such, what the person does after that is not your concern. In terms your not breaking any laws, the person who buys it...is if used for other than memorabilia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1 Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 8 hours ago, Vista said: You should be able to report that one and have it removed on the grounds that he's saying he won't accept PayPal. Just a temporary measure mind. that dosnt work either Scott, got the t shirt for trying that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 7 hours ago, colr6 said: In there list of prohibited items after sorting through all the irrelevant crap, the advert could be reported as they are enticing people to break the law using the paperwork to register a vehicle. The way round it is to advertise as memorabilia and sell as such, what the person does after that is not your concern. In terms your not breaking any laws, the person who buys it...is if used for other than memorabilia. in other words, wasting our time, as we are not allowed to know who the buyer is, and we have no way of proving anything either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colr6 Posted January 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, Ray said: in other words, wasting our time, as we are not allowed to know who the buyer is, and we have no way of proving anything either Had a look on a few other forums, these concerns over V5 sales go back to 2006 so not a new worry. Would appear eBay don't care, unless some one clever in law could bring something against them in the terms of condoning the illegal sales of obvious just a identity of a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 it gets worse, you thought £750 was bad Colin https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1971-FORD-ESCORT-MK1-RS-MEXICO-LOG-BOOK-NOT-MK2-RS-2000-RARE-MAIZE-YELLOW/253370503822?hash=item3afe0f128e:g:BWsAAOSwbP1aXHJf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 this one cant even get it right https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escort-MK1-1300GT-Panel-V5-Plates-Special-Campaign-Colour/122914314918?epid=2220648056&hash=item1c9e439aa6:g:gJwAAOSwjytaW9Ld GT on the log book is totally wrong spcl campaign was not a colour, and at no point was a 1300E made from the GT, although it was GT based, they were converted 1300 sports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colr6 Posted January 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just a loophole, list as memorabilia !!.......yeah pull the other one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeb43 Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 49 minutes ago, Ray said: this one cant even get it right https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escort-MK1-1300GT-Panel-V5-Plates-Special-Campaign-Colour/122914314918?epid=2220648056&hash=item1c9e439aa6:g:gJwAAOSwjytaW9Ld GT on the log book is totally wrong spcl campaign was not a colour, and at no point was a 1300E made from the GT, although it was GT based, they were converted 1300 sports when i moved around 25 years ago one of the mark 1 escorts that i scrapped had panda on the chassis plate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xp197777 Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 There’s currently a Mexico logbook on the bay for £10,000 , expensive memorabilia umm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colr6 Posted January 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Xp197777 said: There’s currently a Mexico logbook on the bay for £10,000 , expensive memorabilia umm Expensive Mexico if there's nowt left of it !! .......all your buying is panel gaps...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xp197777 Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 No car just a bit of paper lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMEscort Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 In Australia we have similar issues with vehicle identity problems. Appears the Australian Federal Court simply defends the seller and says "buyer beware", and indirectly says it is all too hard. So now precedence has been set for all future court cases. Article below is copied and pasted from webpage: Ford Falcon GTHO turns out to be a fake The sale of a classic car which turned out to be a fake has left a man $110,000 out of pocket and facing legal bills for failed court appeals. Caveat emptor - buyer beware - should be the first principle of anyone buying a second hand car. But a classic car mix up in regional Victoria that's left a man $110,000 out of pocket and facing legal bills for failed court appeals seems to have shot that timeless warning full of holes. Glen Sell from Wodonga in regional Victoria had no reason to doubt the vehicle he had owned for 30 years was an original Ford 1970 XW GTHO Falcon - one of the rarest and most valuable vintage Fords on the market. The car had a letter from Ford confirming its identity, which had been based on its Vehicle Identification Number. An inspection by a Melbourne-based car expert as part of Mr Sell's divorce proceedings found the car to be genuine and he listed the vehicle for sale on Gumtree in August of 2013. And when Lyle Walker travelled to Wodonga to inspect the vehicle later that month, it was in such good nick that he looked it over for about 30 minutes before agreeing to buy the car for $135,000. This is where the story gets tricky... While Mr Walker had checked over the documents from Ford and examined the Vehicle Identification Number plates, he did not ask to see a report from the car expert who found it to be a genuine GTHO. Instead, he planned to get a friend to come down to Wodonga to view it, but never did, and when he finally took possession of the vehicle after making payments for 12 months, he got an inspection with plans to restore it. The person who conducted the inspection on the vehicle immediately found about 20 things that were not right with the car. The 'Ford 1970 XW GTHO Falcon' was found to instead be a Ford Falcon model worth only $25,000, and Mr Walker immediately sought a refund, which the seller declined. He took legal action a bid to recoup his losses, but Federal Court judge Robert Brom last week dismissed Mr Walker's second bid to recover the $110,000 lost in the deal. "It apparently was not in doubt that both parties were innocent victims of a fraud perpetrated by someone on Mr Sell when he bought the car some 30 years ago from a Mr Paul Ward," he said. "It is not possible to say who was responsible for that fraud." A key question in the hearings was whether the car was sold based on the description or by Mr Walker's inspection of the car. The court heard the seller had only given his belief the car was genuine, but had based that on the expertise of others. A judge had earlier found Mr Walker had also relied on his own inspection of the car before deciding to purchase it and hadn't relied on anything said or written by Mr Sell. Mr Walker has also been left with a bill of $14,162 for Mr Sell's legal costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colr6 Posted January 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 There is a fraud squad at the dvla, but no info on how to contact. with not having a reg shown though it's not as you can ring the dvla a say this +++++++ documents are for sale, also not having the sellers or purchasers info might prove tricky. Could always steer them in the direction of these adverts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, eeb43 said: when i moved around 25 years ago one of the mark 1 escorts that i scrapped had panda on the chassis plate ex police panda car LOL ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeb43 Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 43 minutes ago, Ray said: ex police panda car LOL ?? yes a 1300 x/flow car but physically a mexico in all other respects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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