Rally Pack 2000 Posted October 9, 2021 Author Report Posted October 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Miniliteman said: Sod AP ... just get a Helix HD kit from Burton or one with a paddle plate (sprung centre) if you got a lot of bhp / torques. Helix was the alternative that Burtons suggested as well its just I keep reading about the take up harshness of their units and incredibly long bed in times so I was a bit hesitant.
Miniliteman Posted October 9, 2021 Report Posted October 9, 2021 Bedding in? Were those comments about a HD road unit or a 184mm rally/race clutch? The Helix HD road pressure plate is listed for 245 Nm, quite similar to the AP one.
Rally Pack 2000 Posted October 9, 2021 Author Report Posted October 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Miniliteman said: Bedding in? Were those comments about a HD road unit or a 184mm rally/race clutch? The Helix HD road pressure plate is listed for 245 Nm, quite similar to the AP one. It was definitely the organic HD Road unit. One of the users cited that even his Helix Paddle type was less aggressive!
Rally Pack 2000 Posted October 15, 2021 Author Report Posted October 15, 2021 Are these CentreForce Clutches a worthwhile technology or just gimmickry?
Rally Pack 2000 Posted October 20, 2021 Author Report Posted October 20, 2021 In case I had to get the Drive and Pressure Plates and bearings separately which it looks if I want to use an AP Plate that I will have to find a matching pressure plate so while searching I saw an original Ford Clutch bearing which had to be a safer choice than the general Chinese cheapies on offer and it arrived today all well and good. I was curious about country of manufacture though. I can only suspect this bearing was made during the war? LOL 1
DT36 Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 For some reason, I'm thinking mine wasn't splined, but I fitted it over 2 years ago. For what you need, I don't think you'd go wrong with a standard clutch. I give mine a hard time on the odd occasion and it's been absolutely fine at 153bhp. 1
katana Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Rally Pack 2000 said: In case I had to get the Drive and Pressure Plates and bearings separately which it looks if I want to use an AP Plate that I will have to find a matching pressure plate so while searching I saw an original Ford Clutch bearing which had to be a safer choice than the general Chinese cheapies on offer and it arrived today all well and good. I was curious about country of manufacture though. I can only suspect this bearing was made during the war? LOL You missed the fact that the RH cut out has removed the CH from the 'real' place of manufacture LOL! 1
Miniliteman Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 Contacted the local importer regarding the AP clutch kit. He says he contacted AP and they don't make them any more (we knew that) and they couldn't find any at a dealer or importer in the old stock. 1
Rally Pack 2000 Posted October 20, 2021 Author Report Posted October 20, 2021 5 hours ago, katana said: You missed the fact that the RH cut out has removed the CH from the 'real' place of manufacture LOL! LOL So you reckon its really Made in China after all? You can't win!
Rally Pack 2000 Posted October 20, 2021 Author Report Posted October 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Miniliteman said: Contacted the local importer regarding the AP clutch kit. He says he contacted AP and they don't make them any more (we knew that) and they couldn't find any at a dealer or importer in the old stock. Thanks so much for asking about it. Both Burtons and Motorsport Tools say that the AP Drive Plate can be used with a standard pressure plate, I just need to determine which is the road one and which is the race one as they list them opposite!
Rally Pack 2000 Posted October 20, 2021 Author Report Posted October 20, 2021 6 hours ago, dt36 said: For some reason, I'm thinking mine wasn't splined, but I fitted it over 2 years ago. For what you need, I don't think you'd go wrong with a standard clutch. I give mine a hard time on the odd occasion and it's been absolutely fine at 153bhp. Yes as far as horsepower and abuse I think a standard one would be fine, I wanted to go down the AP route just purely for longevity by fitting the best quality I could. That Borg and Beck Pressure plate looks like a better quality one. Very long springs on it.
Miniliteman Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 39 minutes ago, Rally Pack 2000 said: Thanks so much for asking about it. Both Burtons and Motorsport Tools say that the AP Drive Plate can be used with a standard pressure plate, I just need to determine which is the road one and which is the race one as they list them opposite! I would follow the AP list which I think you have also.
DT36 Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Rally Pack 2000 said: LOL So you reckon its really Made in China after all? You can't win! Is this the correct bearing for a Pinto with type 9? Something tells me mine wasn't splined. Could be wrong though, as like I said, I fitted a few years ago.
DT36 Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Rally Pack 2000 said: Yes as far as horsepower and abuse I think a standard one would be fine, I wanted to go down the AP route just purely for longevity by fitting the best quality I could. That Borg and Beck Pressure plate looks like a better quality one. Very long springs on it. You're unlikely to wear this out. At the worst, you might have to change a friction plate. Additionally, internal combustion engines will be banned by then and we'll all have Laccy Band powered conversions done. 1
Rally Pack 2000 Posted October 20, 2021 Author Report Posted October 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, dt36 said: Is this the correct bearing for a Pinto with type 9? Something tells me mine wasn't splined. Could be wrong though, as like I said, I fitted a few years ago. Im not sure if Type 9 conversions use the same bearing. Im using the original Type E. It even specifies RS1800/RS2000 on the box. 2 minutes ago, dt36 said: You're unlikely to wear this out. At the worst, you might have to change a friction plate. Additionally, internal combustion engines will be banned by then and we'll all have Laccy Band powered conversions done. Thats why I was thinking of spending a bit more on the AP friction plate just to give that extended life so I never have to change it again. They wont forever ban petrol cars here I dont think. The cheapskate toads that govern wont put charging stations for thousands of kms along every outback dirt track so fuel will be with us long enough to see me out. I haven't even seen the slightest hint at what the Airline Industry will do for replacement fuels and their planes have a 30 year life and they are still churning out petrol guzzlers so I reckon we should all be good. Its all the self righteous prats doing Skippy impressions every time I fire it up will probably drive me mad. 1
Miniliteman Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 2 hours ago, dt36 said: Is this the correct bearing for a Pinto with type 9? Something tells me mine wasn't splined. Could be wrong though, as like I said, I fitted a few years ago. Looks like the correct thrust bearing, as they are splined yes. 1
Rally Pack 2000 Posted October 21, 2021 Author Report Posted October 21, 2021 @dt36 Dale where are those Borg and Beck clutches made? I can see the spring covers at a reasonable price on their own and then just mate it with the Fast Road AP drive plate. I think that could work well.
DT36 Posted October 21, 2021 Report Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rally Pack 2000 said: @dt36 Dale where are those Borg and Beck clutches made? I can see the spring covers at a reasonable price on their own and then just mate it with the Fast Road AP drive plate. I think that could work well. Not sure where they are made, but this is a link to their quality page: https://www.borgandbeck.com/Quality For the price, get a complete kit and you've always got the spare friction plate in reserve, so you can never get dacked by a garage in the long distant future borg & beck hk8050 clutch kit | eBay Edited October 21, 2021 by dt36
Rally Pack 2000 Posted July 16, 2023 Author Report Posted July 16, 2023 Still looking around for an AP CP2000-5 Clutch Kit if anyone knows anywhere with new old stock. I wrote AP some time ago to find out which of the plates they sell are their road or race versions but ever got any reply. So a whole kit would be better but still open to the option of getting the cover-plate separately of a different brand. Is Borg and Beck still the best kit option if I still cant find an AP one?
Miniliteman Posted July 16, 2023 Report Posted July 16, 2023 How much bhp/torques does the engine have? If it's standard or near standard a std clutch kit is okay. https://www.burtonpower.com/luk-std-clutch-kit-ford-2-0-sohc-pinto-215mm-622017506.html Or if it's tuned and/or you have a heavy/spastic left foot use a HD item (but look at the price difference!) https://www.burtonpower.com/helix-hd-clutch-kit-sohc-pinto-215mm-30-2376.html PS: the Ford badged clutch bearing (Oct 21) is a INA Germany item licensed made by Verto France.
Rally Pack 2000 Posted July 16, 2023 Author Report Posted July 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, Miniliteman said: How much bhp/torques does the engine have? If it's standard or near standard a std clutch kit is okay. https://www.burtonpower.com/luk-std-clutch-kit-ford-2-0-sohc-pinto-215mm-622017506.html Or if it's tuned and/or you have a heavy/spastic left foot use a HD item (but look at the price difference!) https://www.burtonpower.com/helix-hd-clutch-kit-sohc-pinto-215mm-30-2376.html PS: the Ford badged clutch bearing (Oct 21) is a INA Germany item licensed made by Verto France. The horsepower of RP2000 is positively huge, it could go as high as 100bhp! It should be 110 with is euro spec manifolds and all that but it is a Pinto Engine after all with its original camshaft from 1979 still in it so im pretty sure the lobes arent as high lifting as they could be! LOL Its more about longevity so getting the highest quality most reputable brand I can so I basically never need to change it again in my lifetime. All the standard ones on offer here are Chinese so thats the exact opposite peace of mind I was trying to achieve. Hence the desire for UK made AP. I can get their drive plates by the kooks of it but still need a cover plate to match. PS - I bought that Ford Bearing before it was pointed out the INA bit was probably part of the word China LOL
Miniliteman Posted July 16, 2023 Report Posted July 16, 2023 I asked because RP2000 could mean RearwheelPower = 2000 .... Am waiting for the same person to point out that AP is part of the word Chap. Think you cannot go wrong with AP, or B&B or LuK or Helix. 1
Rally Pack 2000 Posted July 17, 2023 Author Report Posted July 17, 2023 20 hours ago, Miniliteman said: I asked because RP2000 could mean RearwheelPower = 2000 .... Am waiting for the same person to point out that AP is part of the word Chap. Think you cannot go wrong with AP, or B&B or LuK or Helix. 2000? I wish! Motorsport Tooks just got back to me, AP dont make a clutch cover any more but they sell their drive plates. They recommended just getting a complete Helix kit but I could also use a Helix cover plate with the AP drive plate if I wanted. They said they were British made too so definitely better than anything Chinese that are blue or pink anodised that I can get here. The price difference between the standard stuff and a quality fast road one are pretty high! The British definition of fast road doesn't mean sore ankles or anything after a day out does it?
Miniliteman Posted July 17, 2023 Report Posted July 17, 2023 21 hours ago, Miniliteman said: Am waiting for the same person to point out that AP is part of the word Chap. Or CRAP ...
Rally Pack 2000 Posted July 17, 2023 Author Report Posted July 17, 2023 Been reading reviews on the Helix and many say its can very harsh to bit and often juddering at low rev take offs. Doesn't sound idea for a standard car like mine. The AP gets better reviews but if fitted with a standard cover plate do you think it too would be a bit too harsh? One reviewer though put the inconsistency with Helix down to Chinese manufacturing but MST just said they were English?
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